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Old 20-02-2008, 10:54 PM   #141 (permalink)
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Ra waang the low tax b.s. - Obama has to pay for his socialized medical plan somehow...
Doubt you'll agree with his plan but I think he has that sorted out. End the war in Iraq and save $270 million per day. About $600 billion of US taxpayers' funds have been spent on the war. President Bush has requested another $200 billion for 2008, which would bring the cumulative total to close to $800 billion. All this dough would go a long way to funding his health program. No need to raise taxes!
And how, pray tell, is he going to "end the war in Iraq"?

It ain't half-time yet...

What do you see as the proper ending ?

Do you support McCain's comment of staying there for 100 years if necessary ?
Ah, well, that's the rub, isn't it?
We might be there as we are still in Korea, eh?
What is the daily death toll in Korea?

What could possibly be the outcome of this war?

If we want to control their oil supply to 'selected' vendors once that is established then will the war essentially be over ?
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And how, pray tell, is he going to "end the war in Iraq"?

It ain't half-time yet...
Gawd, those eternal nay-sayers.

The surge has worked!

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Here are some of Obama's small business priorities:

key endorsement from Andy Stern and his Service Employees International Union...
??? That ain't related to small biz; unions would crucify them within a year. (Sorry, MM, I know it was just included in the full quote.)

Obama asked small biz owners:
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“how can the next President better help small business and entrepreneurs thrive?” Basic answers: fix our taxes, fix healthcare, build incubators, and get out of our way.

Obama seems to have listened to some of that...he wants to eliminate capital-gains tax on small business investment and spend $250 million a year on business incubators in disadvantaged communities...
Since when do small biz generate capital gains? Who invests in many small businesses to get them started? Um, angel investors (ie, multi-millions), private equity groups (multi-millionaire funding groups), subordinated debt lenders, etc, all of whom then get their loans back and reap capital gains from the build up in equity when the co becomes successful. So these richies get the cap gains tax benefit, not the little company. Even if Mabel uses her own funds to start her shop, where are the cap gains coming from? She makes a profit or loss. So, no tax on her profits? She'd get a cap gain if she sold out and got more than she invested.
Biz incubators in disadvantaged communities? 555555555555 Who's gonna (I'm gonna use that Michelle Obama word) schlep this PC rhetoric? Ya, let's put some cash in the hands of the drug dealers in the projects so they can buy more bling. I want to see the results after one year; there will be hype over the handful of success stories (ex-crackhead Mabel opened a drycleaners, homeless Frank opened a barbershop). The Obama crew is unlikely to list the 10,000 other incubators that ran out of oxygen as soon as the funds were handed over.

Obama has charisma, offers hope and a dream. Let's see the goods.
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Old 23-02-2008, 09:09 AM   #144 (permalink)
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At least, if Obama gets in, he has Congress and the Senate mostly on his side- which was not the case with the Clinton administration.

He's gonna need it- some of his reforms are going to piss off powerful vested interests, and their well funded lobby groups. On top of that, he inherits from the Bush administration a nation in record levels of debt, enmeshed in two expensive wars, and probably on the brink of recession.

I hope he at least takes a leaf out of Clintons book and maintains fiscal discipline. He'll ride in on a wave of optimism and 'change', but soon enough the reality will set in that these 'changes' can not happen overnight. The GOP, of course, will prey on the resultant disgruntlement in some sectors.
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So these richies get the cap gains tax benefit, not the little company.
Further incentive to invest in starting small businesses.

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Ya, let's put some cash in the hands of the drug dealers in the projects so they can buy more bling.
Oh, I didn't know one has to be a drug-dealer to qualify, a strange world you live in...

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Gosh, that would be really terrible, eh?
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Biz incubators in disadvantaged communities? 555555555555 Who's gonna (I'm gonna use that Michelle Obama word) schlep this PC rhetoric? Ya, let's put some cash in the hands of the drug dealers in the projects so they can buy more bling.
I agree with Jet, that this is another hopeless waste of time and money.

One example:

George H. Bush had this plan when he was President.

He would allow tax breaks, and incentives in what were called "Enterprise Zones."

In depressed areas, and areas with poverty, etc., these breaks were given.

In Parts of Los Angeles in black areas the plan started. Guess who came and started small businesses?

The Koreans.

And the blacks had the audacity to blame them for opening up small business, which were mostly retail. Good on the Koreans for the being industrious. They didn't live in these areas, but they did start something up.

The locals in the area didn't do anything, basically.
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I'll put this article here, since this thread is now the most common. Lapses in security, that are "ordered," make one wonder. And note that a "friendly crowd" doesn't mean anything. It only takes one person with a gun, to blow a hole through history, as we've seen before.

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Police concerned about order to stop weapons screening at Obama rally

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Barack Obama speaks Wednesday at a Democratic rally in Dallas' Reunion Arena. Police were told to stop screening people for weapons before the rally began.

Editor's note: This story was updated at 4 p.m. Friday. » TAKE ME THERE

DALLAS -- Security details at Barack Obama's rally Wednesday stopped screening people for weapons at the front gates more than an hour before the Democratic presidential candidate took the stage at Reunion Arena.

The order to put down the metal detectors and stop checking purses and laptop bags came as a surprise to several Dallas police officers who said they believed it was a lapse in security.


Dallas Deputy Police Chief T.W. Lawrence, head of the Police Department's homeland security and special operations divisions, said the order -- apparently made by the U.S. Secret Service -- was meant to speed up the long lines outside and fill the arena's vacant seats before Obama came on.


"Sure," said Lawrence, when asked if he was concerned by the great number of people who had gotten into the building without being checked. But, he added, the turnout of more than 17,000 people seemed to be a "friendly crowd."


The Secret Service did not return a call from the Star-Telegram seeking comment.
Doors opened to the public at 10 a.m., and for the first hour security officers scanned each person who came in and checked their belongings in a process that kept movement of the long lines at a crawl. Then, about 11 a.m., an order came down to allow the people in without being checked.


Several Dallas police officers said it worried them that the arena was packed with people who got in without even a cursory inspection.


They spoke on condition of anonymity because, they said, the order was made by federal officials who were in charge of security at the event.
"How can you not be concerned in this day and age," said one policeman.
Link: Star-Telegram.com: | 02/21/2008 | Police concerned about order to stop weapons screening at Obama rally
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Weird. An idiosyncratic observation, but I just noticed he is left-handed. But, he wears his watch on his left wrist like a right-hander.
OK, just watching the Texas debate...Obama says he'll give $4,000 annual tuition credit for every college student who signs up for national service? HUH?
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Weird. An idiosyncratic observation, but I just noticed he is left-handed. But, he wears his watch on his left wrist like a right-hander.
OK, just watching the Texas debate...Obama says he'll give $4,000 annual tuition credit for every college student who signs up for national service? HUH?
Right...and a chicken in every pot.

I'll say it again: Obama is to American politics as the Bee Gee's were to 1970's pop music. And his plan to pull out of Iraq and supposedly 'save' that money for his socialized medical scheme?

Heh...
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Weird. An idiosyncratic observation, but I just noticed he is left-handed. But, he wears his watch on his left wrist like a right-hander.
OK, just watching the Texas debate...Obama says he'll give $4,000 annual tuition credit for every college student who signs up for national service? HUH?
Right...and a chicken in every pot.
What's wrong with that? Win-win situation.
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I'll say it again: Obama is to American politics as the Bee Gee's were to 1970's to pop music
What blog's that gem from?
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I'll say it again: Obama is to American politics as the Bee Gee's were to 1970's to pop music
What blog's that gem from?
Don't recall but it's a good one & I shamelessly ripped it as it's apropos to the max!
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Well why do you think he is going to be any different than most anyone else, by his Voting record,, bullshit, almost same as everyone Else's, and he has done a lot of fence setting.
No he is just like every other politician, Talk Talk, but he is just going to be the prez, maybe, and if he is, he will only be able to make suggestions and it is up to congress and the senate to make the laws and pass the bills.

here is his senate record..

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Well, Obama seems to have had (or maybe still does) some radical pals.
Does he still share these values?

Obama once visited '60s radicals - Ben Smith - Politico.com
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Well, Obama seems to have had (or maybe still does) some radical pals. Does he still share these values?
One would hope so!

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He does provide sources where he gets his info from, and doesn't rely on bedtime-story chain-mails or something he thinks he might have read somewhere to make his points.
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It will interesting to see how Obama handles being the "Messiah" of the democratic party.

As high as he's getting I reckon for the first time hypoxia might be a major factor for USA politics.
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Lapses in security, that are "ordered," make one wonder.
Had Obama been shot you can bet the conspiracy theorist would be on full charge with this! Everyone would be suspect!
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Well, Obama seems to have had (or maybe still does) some radical pals. Does he still share these values?
One would hope so!
If that the case and you agree with Bill Ayers & Bernadine Dhorn's politics it makes you an anarchist...
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