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raycarey · 20-02-2008, 06:38 PM

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At least ray seems to be getting out of his cage...

looks like i'm off ignore....again.

but it was just for this post, right?

and keda please tell us again how obama is/was a muslim....i find it amusing.

stroller · 20-02-2008, 06:40 PM

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Fok you sTroller, clearly being offensive seems to offend your sensibilities unless it's directed at those disagreeing with you who must be idiots or worse, but...

"Fok you sTroller" certainly is being offensive and I do take exception to it - but thanks for revealing the depth of your 'arguments'.

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but according to you he never was a Muslim...

No, not according to myself, I wouldn't know - I quoted someone else. But I do know that he is not a Muslim now - it's not that hard to find out, keda.

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And with the usual exceptions, exceptions meaning exceptions rather than the norm, being a Muslim is for life, not expedience.

And? Does this mean Obama is a Muslim? Why don't you admit you were wrong and move on, without further personal insults?

stroller · 20-02-2008, 06:47 PM

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On any given day, Obama can be ranked most liberal..

He is only gradually more 'liberal' than most other Dem former potential candidates.
Plenty of charts and quizzes out there to look at and compare.

Norton · 20-02-2008, 07:16 PM

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He is only gradually more 'liberal' than most other Dem former potential candidates. Plenty of charts and quizzes out there to look at and compare.

All the candidates have public voting records. As we all agree the degree of liberalism or conservatism is in the eye of the beholder. Suggest all take a hard look at the candidates voting records and then decide. Suppose it is too big an ask for many as it takes some time to read through all the bills but the only way I know of making an informed decision.

Here's the link. No spins, no opinion, no agendas expressed. Just the voting record. Wow, if you really look at the voting record maybe as an individual one can decide on whether to support one candidate or the other. On the other hand, save lots of time and read the numerous media sources, blogs and the like who would be happy to tell us how to vote!

Project Vote Smart - 2008 Presidential Candidates

Select the candidate, then on the right of the page select "voting record"

Boon Mee · 20-02-2008, 08:52 PM

Obama can be summed up in just three words:

Eloquent but empty...

Milkman · 20-02-2008, 08:53 PM

Here are some of Obama's small business priorities:

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ebruary 15, 2008 The Business of Obama
....The scales of the Democratic presidential primaries seem to be tipping towards Barack Obama, with today’s key endorsement from Andy Stern and his Service Employees International Union and yesterday’s nod from civil rights leader John Lewis. For better or worse, Democratic stalwarts are deciding that Obama is the most impressive and electable candidate.

Which means it’s time for a roundup of what an Obama administration would mean for small business. Obama himself would like to know, according to the question he asked on the business networking site LinkedIn late last year: “how can the next President better help small business and entrepreneurs thrive?” He got close to 1,500 responses, most of them boiling down to: fix our taxes, fix healthcare, build incubators, and get out of our way.

Obama seems to have listened to some of that, according to this interview: he wants to eliminate capital-gains tax on small business investment and spend $250 million a year on business incubators in disadvantaged communities. That’s hardly a whole chunk of government cash — what’s that, 15 minutes’ worth of war in Iraq? — but it’s not chicken feed. Here’s part of another question-and-answer he gave to the San Francisco Chronicle the day before Super Tuesday:

Entire: The Future Boy Blog: What’s next The Business of Obama «

This is from cnnfn, but his small business policy ought to be checked. Sorry.

chinthee · 20-02-2008, 08:55 PM

Well, if he's pro small business and anti tax I will definitely look into this. This is good news if true.

Boon Mee · 20-02-2008, 08:58 PM

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Well, if he's pro small business and anti tax I will definitely look into this. This is good news if true.

Ra waang the low tax b.s. - Obama has to pay for his socialized medical plan somehow...

stroller · 20-02-2008, 09:01 PM

That would get my vote, small businesses are very vulnerable and need support, something Thatcher recognised in the UK, I hate to admit.

Norton · 20-02-2008, 09:18 PM

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Ra waang the low tax b.s. - Obama has to pay for his socialized medical plan somehow...

Doubt you'll agree with his plan but I think he has that sorted out. End the war in Iraq and save $270 million per day. About $600 billion of US taxpayers' funds have been spent on the war. President Bush has requested another $200 billion for 2008, which would bring the cumulative total to close to $800 billion. All this dough would go a long way to funding his health program. No need to raise taxes!

Boon Mee · 20-02-2008, 09:19 PM

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Ra waang the low tax b.s. - Obama has to pay for his socialized medical plan somehow...

Doubt you'll agree with his plan but I think he has that sorted out. End the war in Iraq and save $270 million per day. About $600 billion of US taxpayers' funds have been spent on the war. President Bush has requested another $200 billion for 2008, which would bring the cumulative total to close to $800 billion. All this dough would go a long way to funding his health program. No need to raise taxes!

And how, pray tell, is he going to "end the war in Iraq"?

It ain't half-time yet...

chinthee · 20-02-2008, 09:20 PM

^^Yes, I agree we definitely have to sort out the health care issue. In fact, most small business owners are at huge risk on this issue. These are the productive creators of new wealth in the economy and need to be taken care of on this issue.

Norton · 20-02-2008, 09:28 PM

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And how, pray tell, is he going to "end the war in Iraq"?

A "tactical withdrawal" as defined by Democrats or a "cut and run" as defined by Republicans completed within 18 months of his becoming President. This is the one issue he has been very clear on.

BobbyTits · 20-02-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Ra waang the low tax b.s. - Obama has to pay for his socialized medical plan somehow...

Doubt you'll agree with his plan but I think he has that sorted out. End the war in Iraq and save $270 million per day. About $600 billion of US taxpayers' funds have been spent on the war. President Bush has requested another $200 billion for 2008, which would bring the cumulative total to close to $800 billion. All this dough would go a long way to funding his health program. No need to raise taxes!

And how, pray tell, is he going to "end the war in Iraq"?

It ain't half-time yet...

What do you see as the proper ending ?

Do you support McCain's comment of staying there for 100 years if necessary ?

AntRobertson · 20-02-2008, 10:07 PM

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A "tactical withdrawal" as defined by Democrats or a "cut and run" as defined by Republicans

I can see the fur flying now. The Republicans would of course shamelessly rewrite history and put the blame for the entire mess at his feet.

Norton · 20-02-2008, 10:21 PM

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The Republicans would of course shamelessly rewrite history and put the blame for the entire mess at his feet.

Of course. What baffles me is why in hell anyone would want the job of President at a time like this. A war on two fronts, joblessness, house foreclosures, a useless congress, bank failures. And no matter how well the new Pres does the opposition will blame him for the problem not his/her success if some are solved. A real lose, lose deal IMO. Not one of my favorite Presidents but Nixon did get the US out of Vietnam and is generally blamed for Americas loss of the war even though he didn't have much to do with getting us in the mess to begin with.

Boon Mee · 20-02-2008, 10:33 PM

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Ra waang the low tax b.s. - Obama has to pay for his socialized medical plan somehow...

Doubt you'll agree with his plan but I think he has that sorted out. End the war in Iraq and save $270 million per day. About $600 billion of US taxpayers' funds have been spent on the war. President Bush has requested another $200 billion for 2008, which would bring the cumulative total to close to $800 billion. All this dough would go a long way to funding his health program. No need to raise taxes!

And how, pray tell, is he going to "end the war in Iraq"?

It ain't half-time yet...

What do you see as the proper ending ?

Do you support McCain's comment of staying there for 100 years if necessary ?

Ah, well, that's the rub, isn't it?
We might be there as we are still in Korea, eh?

chinthee · 20-02-2008, 10:35 PM

^Yeah, and I'm still trying to figure out what Korea has we want, except to be close to the Chinese and keep an eye on 'em; and be close to Russia Far East to spy on them.

Guess that's it.

AntRobertson · 20-02-2008, 10:38 PM

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Ah, well, that's the rub, isn't it? We might be there as we are still in Korea, eh?

And this doesn't bother you? The costs involved?

Boon Mee · 20-02-2008, 10:41 PM

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Ah, well, that's the rub, isn't it? We might be there as we are still in Korea, eh?

And this doesn't bother you? The costs involved?

Sure it does but these days, nothing's cheap that's worth anything or worthwhile is it? We bail on Iraq it will, for sure, come back to bite us in the ass.

Jing, jing, mai go hok...

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chinthee Sundance is my bff Last Online: 10-08-2009 09:13 PM Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,028	^^Yes, I agree we definitely have to sort out the health care issue. In fact, most small business owners are at huge risk on this issue. These are the productive creators of new wealth in the economy and need to be taken care of on this issue.

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