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raycarey · 30-04-2008, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sabang

Doesn't bode well for your presidential contender. As I've already noted, the smell of your fear and panic is tangible. don't worry boys- it won't be that bad, life goes on and all that. You've managed to survive 8 years of the Bush administration.

they are afraid of obama, that much is plainly obvious.

however, by playing to the lizard brain and the lowest common denominator i believe that they have damaged his campaign.
by and large americans aren't really that discerning.. this is why mcdonalds, chuck norris movies and britney spears are so popular. and this is not a slam on americans, because i believe the citizens of most countries are the same way...they really don't take the time to think about what they're consuming (whether it be food, entertainment, or news), they just suck it in without wondering if it's toxic.

that said, i still support him and hope he will win....but i fear they've successfully tarred him with this disgraceful character assasination.

raycarey · 30-04-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chinthee

Well, Obama through Wright off the bus, and then ran over him a few times today.

haven't you been clamoring for just this very thing for the last month?

Norton · 30-04-2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

that said, i still support him and hope he will win....but i fear they've successfully tarred him with this disgraceful character assasination.

Afraid you are wright. He needed to do in the beginning what he has done today. Disown the reverend. In some ways his initial approach of not immediately disowning Wright shows a loyalty character trait which is admirable but certainly not wise in the no holds barred political arena.

chinthee · 30-04-2008, 06:11 PM

^Norton, yes he did finally do the thing I've been advocating for a long time. It was the smart thing to do. Evidently, according to some TV reports, this all relates back to the day Obama first made his announcement, and Wright, as his personal advisor at the time, was at his side in the basement, and assumed he would be invited on stage with Obama. Obama's campaign managers insisted he not go on stage with Obama. In retrospect, that was a VERY wise decision. Reportedly, Wright felt terribly slighted by that as he thought he had deserved the right to be on stage with Obama.

Obama is going to have trouble distancing himself from this guy now.

sabang · 30-04-2008, 06:49 PM

Some wiseass once said a week is a long time in politics.
And the ramifications of human behavioural psychology are about as complex as predicting the weather.

Wright, unwittingly it seems, has done a big favour to Obama by his latest bile. Obama has made a clean break- and either he genuinely meant it, or he's such a good actor he leaves Pres Raygun for dead. These days, it doesn't matter in Politics.

Too little, too late? Ultimately we're all guessing, and you needn't bother putting your best guess here really- it will only be a function of whom you want to win.

The electoral camjpaign is of course about to change, to the Home stretch- the actual election. Of the three left standing, only Hillary was even mentioned as a serious contender about six months ago.

You know who I want to win, but that means nothing. No contender can be written off at this stage. It may be the case that Obamas 'ordeal by fire' will prove to be the right thing at the right time, in retrospect. Both him and Hillary are more concerned about the Dem nomination than McCain at this stage. That, of course, will change quite soon.

Boon Mee · 30-04-2008, 07:06 PM

Once Obama's "spiritual adviser," and "mentor," now a guy he's barely met!

chinthee · 30-04-2008, 07:16 PM

I've been listening to more speculation and revelations on TV. Reportedly, Obama first came to Wright and asked him to help him politically through the large church congregation and contacts in the black community. As a Chicago outsider from Hawaii, he needed some local contacts and champions in his early political career.

Wright seems to think that he was instrumental in Obama getting to where he is today, and this is the reason for his pain of being betrayed. After the snub of not being invited on stage at Obama's announcement, evidently, it went downhill from there.

Boon Mee · 30-04-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

they are afraid of obama,

Who's 'they'?

sabang · 30-04-2008, 07:25 PM

Hint :-

Boon Mee · 30-04-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sabang

Hint :-

Actually, I was waiting for RC to answer with some snide comment re racists on this forum or some such...

Afraid of his agenda - that's for sure.
Not to mention taxes raised to drive the US further into Nanny Statehood...

Norton · 30-04-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Not to mention taxes raised to drive the US further into Nanny Statehood...

Hang on to your wallet. No matter who wins we will be paying higher taxes. Simply a matter of how they will be spent. For the benefit of US citizens (and yes maybe even some black ones) or for the benefit of the citizens of the world's newest "democracy". The choice is up to you.

raycarey · 30-04-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Norton

No matter who wins we will be paying higher taxes.

There is absolutely no doubt about it. All those baby boomers will be signing up for social security over the next ten years, and that has to be paid for somehow. bush financed his war on credit, and the credit line is maxed out.

and another thing regarding taxes (i don't know if i've posted this before), obama has promised not to raise taxes on capital gains and dividends higher than the rate reagan had them at.

Norton · 30-04-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

All those baby boomers will be signing up for social security over the next ten years, and that has to be paid for somehow.

Some of us...err them already have.

raycarey · 30-04-2008, 09:27 PM

but i remember reading somewhere that the numbers are really going to balloon in the next few years. i'll go look for a link.

raycarey · 30-04-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Norton

Speaking his mind and pushing against the political tide is one of his strengths IMO.

true.

but i wonder if that's a thing of the past. he's recently flip flopped on the evangelical nuts, the bush tax cuts, and campaign finance reform.

Norton · 30-04-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

but i wonder if that's a thing of the past. he's recently flip flopped on the evangelical nuts, the bush tax cuts, and campaign finance reform.

He's running for the office. Like many in the past what he does when he gets in may be far removed from the campaign rhetoric. Time will tell.

chinthee · 02-05-2008, 08:10 AM

Fat dickwad, Michael Moore, supports Obama. This might be enough for me to withdraw my support. Not really, but here's what he says:

Filmmaker Moore speaks out on Obama, Wright, Clinton

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Larry King: When you were last here in February, you said you had opinions on the race, but were not endorsing anybody. What changed?

Michael Moore: Well, I think that the whole movement behind Obama is very impressive. And I think it's a good thing for the country. As far as Obama as a candidate, I think that this is a very decent individual. And I've been just impressed through the various debates as to how he's handled himself, how he has responded to the issues and responded to people.

King: What about how he's handled the Rev. [Jeremiah] Wright thing?

Moore: Jeez, you know, I mean I go to Mass still. I'm a practicing Catholic. I've been that way all my life. But if I had -- if I had gotten up every time I heard a priest from the pulpit in my travels around the country say things like I've heard them say, that birth control is a sin, that women should not be priests, that women should have a different role in church ...

King: You'd be walking out all the time?

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Moore: Well, I supported her run for Senate. My wife and I contributed to her campaign. But the huge disappointment was when she was presented with an opportunity for a moment -- a profile in courage moment in October of 2002 -- to not give Bush the authorization to go to war, she voted for war. And she continued to vote for war for the years after that ... and I'm disappointed in that. But when I said [I was] 'disgusted,' that came with the ABC debate. When she threw out [Nation of Islam leader Louis] Farrakhan, when she said the word Farrakhan and Hamas -- to somehow attach that to Sen. Obama -- I just thought that was beneath everything that she used to stand for. And I think at some point, she's going to be disappointed in herself for having done that.

Watch Moore discuss his support for Obama »

King: Are you so disappointed that you would consider, if she got the nomination, [voting] for [Sen. John] McCain?

Moore: Absolutely not. No, no, no ... most people I know are just going to stagger into the voting booth in November and look for the big "D" on the ballot. And it really isn't going to matter what the name is on there, whether it's ...

Filmmaker Moore speaks out on Obama, Wright, Clinton - CNN.com

I also think the excitement behind Obama is good for the country. But I don't agree that just because you're unhappy with Bush you should just blindly stumble into the voting booth and vote for any democratic candidate. That's just blind partisanship.

sabang · 02-05-2008, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by chinthee

Moore: Jeez, you know, I mean I go to Mass still. I'm a practicing Catholic. I've been that way all my life. But if I had -- if I had gotten up every time I heard a priest from the pulpit in my travels around the country say things like I've heard them say, that birth control is a sin, that women should not be priests, that women should have a different role in church ... King: You'd be walking out all the time?

My point exactly. Since when has the more extreme comments from some bluddy Pastor been meant to be representative of the views of intelligent people within the Congregation?

chinthee · 02-05-2008, 08:24 AM

^Yes, good point. As I see this whole pastor controversy, Obama used Wright as a stepping stone in his political career. He probably overlooked his outrageous views.

Now he's being closely tied to those views. Not fair certainly, as this guy wasn't Obama's father ffs.

30-04-2008, 06:49 PM	#425 (permalink)
sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Today 02:35 AM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: east of Pattaya Posts: 7,504	Some wiseass once said a week is a long time in politics. And the ramifications of human behavioural psychology are about as complex as predicting the weather. Wright, unwittingly it seems, has done a big favour to Obama by his latest bile. Obama has made a clean break- and either he genuinely meant it, or he's such a good actor he leaves Pres Raygun for dead. These days, it doesn't matter in Politics. Too little, too late? Ultimately we're all guessing, and you needn't bother putting your best guess here really- it will only be a function of whom you want to win. The electoral camjpaign is of course about to change, to the Home stretch- the actual election. Of the three left standing, only Hillary was even mentioned as a serious contender about six months ago. You know who I want to win, but that means nothing. No contender can be written off at this stage. It may be the case that Obamas 'ordeal by fire' will prove to be the right thing at the right time, in retrospect. Both him and Hillary are more concerned about the Dem nomination than McCain at this stage. That, of course, will change quite soon. __________________ East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,

30-04-2008, 06:11 PM	#424 (permalink)
chinthee Sundance is my bff Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,038	^Norton, yes he did finally do the thing I've been advocating for a long time. It was the smart thing to do. Evidently, according to some TV reports, this all relates back to the day Obama first made his announcement, and Wright, as his personal advisor at the time, was at his side in the basement, and assumed he would be invited on stage with Obama. Obama's campaign managers insisted he not go on stage with Obama. In retrospect, that was a VERY wise decision. Reportedly, Wright felt terribly slighted by that as he thought he had deserved the right to be on stage with Obama. Obama is going to have trouble distancing himself from this guy now.

30-04-2008, 07:06 PM	#426 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: Today 06:58 AM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,850	Once Obama's "spiritual adviser," and "mentor," now a guy he's barely met!

30-04-2008, 07:16 PM	#427 (permalink)
chinthee Sundance is my bff Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,038	I've been listening to more speculation and revelations on TV. Reportedly, Obama first came to Wright and asked him to help him politically through the large church congregation and contacts in the black community. As a Chicago outsider from Hawaii, he needed some local contacts and champions in his early political career. Wright seems to think that he was instrumental in Obama getting to where he is today, and this is the reason for his pain of being betrayed. After the snub of not being invited on stage at Obama's announcement, evidently, it went downhill from there.

30-04-2008, 07:25 PM	#429 (permalink)
sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Today 02:35 AM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: east of Pattaya Posts: 7,504	Hint :-

30-04-2008, 09:27 PM	#434 (permalink)
raycarey rafiki's sidekick Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: deleting posts in issues Posts: 5,098	but i remember reading somewhere that the numbers are really going to balloon in the next few years. i'll go look for a link.

02-05-2008, 08:24 AM	#439 (permalink)
chinthee Sundance is my bff Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,038	^Yes, good point. As I see this whole pastor controversy, Obama used Wright as a stepping stone in his political career. He probably overlooked his outrageous views. Now he's being closely tied to those views. Not fair certainly, as this guy wasn't Obama's father ffs.