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Boon Mee

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Yeah...so what. Address the issue(s) not the messenger, eh?

blackgang

Does Ray C think that what he has to say is any more factual than what anyone else has to say or that he has anymore right to say it?? and that includes Bloggers too.

Boon Mee

Heh...Greens on the way!

raycarey

apparently the old drunk has me off ignore again...but just for this one post, right?

anyway, everyone here has a right to post whatever they like. but (and i hope i'm not going to fast for you) what's the point of cutting and pasting the opinions of someone else? i don't see anyone here posting editorials from respected media outlets...because that too would be absurd. can't boon mee come up with his own opinions? as ant often pointed out, boon mee apparently doesn't have an opinion until the bloggers tell him what it should be.
it's kind of like texpat fancying himself as some sort of media clearing house...as if he's the drudgereport or something. what's the point?
disagree and say whatever you like about what i post on this forum, but my opinions are my own. they're not plagiarized from someone else.

stroller

What makes a forum a fruitful personalised experience is people sharing and expressing their views and questioning those of others, IMO.

I do not wish to spend much of my time refuting the 'factual' basis and false conclusions quoted from a blog, when the author is not present to communicate with, specially if the copy/pasting poster hasn't done his homework to assess what is quoted for its validity and relevance.
When this debating 'style' becomes the preferred modus, instead of presenting one's own reasoning - the effort is one-sided and becomes a waste of time.

Not to mention that some can't be bothered to spend an extra few seconds to post a link so one can check the source.
Know what I mean, bg? - oh, I forgot, I am on ignore just as most other Issues regulars.

I sometimes do, can't see anything wrong with this, it may add a new perspective or express something I do not have the background knowledge to comment on, or simply makes the case much better than I could in my own words - emphasis being on 'I sometimes do'.

I get bored quickly roaming through blogs and editorials to find something suitable, but others seem to thrive on this.

Boon Mee

Damage control that ain't working...heh

"Even Wolf (Strisand) Blitzer asked: "What did he mean when he said, they become bitter, and then he said, they cling to guns or religion. What did he mean by that?"

Political Punch

blackgang

Yes Ray, I do open one of your posts once in awhile just to see if you make any sense yet, which I should know better as you never have anything worthwhile to read and your breath also smells like cum..

Norton

I think the link you provided does a pretty good job of answering the question.

Who better than Obama, mayor's from small Pennsylvania towns and a Senator from Pennsylvania to explain what he meant. If you and Hillary can't accept their explanations and get over it then you underestimate the intelligence of small town folks in Pennsylvania.

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Boon Mee

He's trying, but just like that other so-called 'over-educated' ambulance-chaser K. Ant, he still can't spell worth a darn.

And, for being a teacher no less... " hope i'm not going to [sic] fast for you"

stroller

Sometimes I wish the demented coffindodger would be spammed with more chain-mails and kept himself busy copy/pasting them here, instead of hitting the keyboard with the mental diarrhea produced by the alcohol ravaged remnants of what might once have been a brain.

Boon Mee

Well, back on topic. One of the main reasons middle America will not vote for Obama in the fall is his arrogance and sense of entitlement. He believes that "Americans are fearful, bitter, dumb, and need to be led around by their betters AKA liberals"

Here's a good analysis written by Thomas Sowell in his book "Vision of The Anointed"

"In their haste to be wiser and nobler than others, the anointed have misconceived two basic issues. They seem to assume (1) that they have more knowledge than the average member of the benighted and (2) that this is the relevant comparison. The real comparison, however, is not between the knowledge possessed by the average member of the educated elite versus the average member of the general public, but rather the total direct knowledge brought to bear though social processes (the competition of the marketplace, social sorting, etc.), involving millions of people, versus the secondhand knowledge of generalities possessed by a smaller elite group." -- P. 114

My favorite though - and there are many...

"This (liberal) vision so permeates the media and academia, and has made such major inroads into the religious community, that many grow into adulthood unaware that there is any other way of looking at things, or that evidence might be relevant to checking out the sweeping assumptions of so-called "thinking people". Many of these "thinking people" could more accurately be characterized as articulate people, as people whose verbal nimbleness can elude both evidence and logic. This can be a fatal talent, when it supplies the crucial insulation from reality behind may historic catastrophes." -- P. 6

Amazon.com: The Vision of the Anointed: Self-Congratulation As a Basis for Social Policy: Thomas Sowell: Books

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Jet Gorgon

Love it, Booners.

As for blog snippets, they represent grassroots info. Nothing wrong with including that, especially if you site a few, not just one. Better than relying on, say, CNN for all the news.

Boon Mee

Nothing wrong with it?
Damn right there ain't nothin' wrong as it's straight-up common sense!

sabang

Apart from being a presidential nominee, Obama has a job to do as a senator. So heres Obama in action:-

Petraeus hearing proves Bush got what he wanted

"It was Petraeus who, during the invasion, looked around at the chaos and said, rhetorically: "Tell me how this ends."

That was the question on Capitol Hill this week, but neither Petraeus nor Crocker could provide an answer. Both Democratic presidential candidates made valiant attempts to engage the officials in a reality-based dialogue....

Barack Obama conducted a polite but precise cross-examination, the aim of which was to get Crocker or Petraeus or somebody to define what an acceptable Iraq would look like. If violence were at current levels but without a large presence of U.S. troops, would that be good enough? He got another plate of mush."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/13/ED68103E0K.DTL

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sabang

"Obama may well have turned the tables on Hillary on this Pennsylvania thing:-

Obama reiterated his regret for his choice of words at the fundraiser but suggested they had been twisted and mischaracterized. He said he'd expected blowback from GOP nominee-in-waiting John McCain, but had been "a little disappointed" to be criticized by Clinton.

Then, laughing along with the union audience, Obama noted that Clinton seemed much more interested in guns since he made his comments than she had in the past.

"She is running around talking about how this is an insult to sportsmen, how she values the Second Amendment. She's talking like she's Annie Oakley," Obama said, invoking the famed female sharpshooter immortalized in the musical "Annie Get Your Gun."...........

"I just have to remind people of the track record," Obama said, noting Clinton accepted campaign contributions from PACs and drug and insurance industry lobbyists, which he does not.

"This is the same person who took money from financial folks on Wall Street and then voted for bankruptcy bill that makes it harder for folks right here in Pennsylvania to get a fair shake. Who do you think is out of touch?" Obama said.

"This is the same person who spent a decade with her husband campaigning for NAFTA, and now goes around saying she's opposed to NAFTA," Obama said, referring to the North American Free Trade Agreement that is widely unpopular in blue collar communities."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/04/13/politics/p170627D03.DTL

Obama is a gifted Orator, I must say. In that respect, he reminds me of Tony Blair- only less phoney.

stroller

The quotes are not from Amazon but the dubious "rightwingnews" (sic) , including the bold type, and the book is not about Obama, and much wider in scope, which is apparent on the first few pages already. An interesting read.

And I doubt that there are "many" quotes that are your favourites from this book, since you already quoted 2 out of 5 from the article.

I like this bit, from page 5, Obama or 'Liberals' are not the first thing to spring to mind here, is it?

"Despite the great variety of issues in a series of crusading movements among the intelligentsia during the 20th century, several key elements have been common to most of them:

1. Assertions of a great danger to the whole society, a danger to which the masses of people are oblivious.
2. An urgent need for action to avert impending catastrophe.
3. A need for government to drastically curtail the dangerous behavior of the many, in response to the prescient conclusions of the few.
4. A disdainful dismissal of arguments to the contrary as either uninformed, irresponsible or motivated by unworthy purposes."

- from the Amazon link, you should have made the effort to read it before spouting off, Booner.

Norton

Hillary is in the 12th round of the title fight and needs a knockout to win. As she comes out flailing and throwing the big overhand right, Obama coolly sidesteps and counter punches to the chin with a hard left upper cut. She is out classed, out witted and as with her politics out of touch.

raycarey

exactly. but he probably won't take notice because he didn't read it on a blog.

chinthee

Pa. voters divided over Obama remarks

Pa. voters divided over Obama remarks - Yahoo! News

I keep saying it. This negative shit-slinging by both candidates will continue to destroy both Clinton and Obama. This seems especially evident with the Bill Clinton supporters - a large portion have said they'll back McCain. The Democrats will self destruct by the convention and McCain will cruise to victory if it doesn't stop.

raycarey

all this hand wringing over the dem nomination process is only revealing a surprising level of naiveté by some board members....in others it just further displays their woeful ignorance on american politics.

it's april.

try to keep that in mind.