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BobbyTits · 12-04-2008, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by stroller

Don't they all?

Look like they could do a respectable job when you ship 'em out of the getto an put 'em into suit and tie, don't it?

Are you making a blatantly racist comment Stroller ?

stroller · 12-04-2008, 01:33 AM

Just being a realist.

Jet Gorgon · 12-04-2008, 01:36 AM

You been on vakay, Strollums?

Boon Mee · 12-04-2008, 10:48 PM

Why not just call them all Rubes, eh?

Commentary » Blog Archive » Why Not Just Call Them Rubes?

If McCain just hang on 'till Nov, both these sorry fuck-ups (Obama & the Hildebeast) will have imploded by July/August for sure!

stroller · 12-04-2008, 11:38 PM

Obama grows on me the more I learn about what he says:

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How did Barack Obama describe the good people of rural Pennsylvania and other similar spots? This is what he had to say:
“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

raycarey · 12-04-2008, 11:48 PM

clinton and mccain are already trying to spin it against him....but it won't work...because what he said is true.

Jet Gorgon · 13-04-2008, 04:46 AM

^ I'd like to hear him say that about blacks in Watts or Harlem or maybe his own church members! Absolutely the same labels apply.

Hey, Ray, where you been? Stroller's missed you, I think.

Boon Mee · 13-04-2008, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

clinton and mccain are already trying to spin it against him....but it won't work...because what he said is true.

Hear hear!
So says another wannabie Elitist!

For sure these latest remarks will hurt Obama badly. This latest "gaffe" is right up there with "Typical White Person"...

Boon Mee · 13-04-2008, 06:08 AM

Obama, knowing he's busted, is spinning furiously.

stroller · 13-04-2008, 06:24 PM

He's not 'busted', saying the same thing from a different angle - is it something unheard of that speakers adjust their style and rhetoric according to the audience and occasion?

Seems those rabid whipper-snapper bloggers need to learn a lot yet before they could hope to author anything fit for a reputable site.

Norton · 13-04-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stroller

anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

Well Jettie he's finally filled your request. Something the Latinos can identify with I would say.

chinthee · 13-04-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Obama, knowing he's busted, is spinning furiously.

Yes, he is spinning trying to escape the attacks by Clinton and McCain, and it looks as if he will pay for this by being further punished by the working class whites. Then again, he always had an uphill battle with these beer-drinking working class heros. Most of them are uneducated Archie Bunkers who would never vote for an upstart educated "colored boy" anyway.

I think Clinton will stage a comeback in the rust belt with these sweatshirt-wearing, metal lunchbox-toting backbones of America, and this battle will give her campaign enough life to take the fight all the way to the convention.

raycarey · 13-04-2008, 11:00 PM

here's an interesting analysis by the post's chris cillizza.

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Scoring "Bitter-gate" (So Far)

It's easy, amid the conference calls and surrogate statements that have flown back and forth over the last 48 hours, to lose sight of what is truly at stake in the battle over Sen. Barack Obama's (Ill.) comments about small town voters.
The Fix aims to provide some clarity on the issue even as the frenzy continues. So, below you'll find the pluses (yes, there are some) and minuses for Obama's political future. There are of course many unknowns -- the biggest being how long this hubbub lasts -- but here's our attempt to wrap our arms around one of the biggest events in the campaign to date.
What did we miss? Offer your own pluses and minuses in the comments section below.

PLUSES
* Friday Night Firestorm: The news of Obama's remarks at the fundraiser broke on Friday afternoon when many people were paying a lot more attention to their weekend plans than to the state of the presidential race (not, of course, the ever-vigilant Fix). That's not to suggest average voters won't become aware of the controversy, but the fact that it first unfolded on a Friday, Saturday and Sunday may lessen the damage. Of course, the Sunday talk shows are sure to be dominated by talk of Obama's gaffe -- a focus that will drive a series of stories Monday.

* No YouTube Yet: The fact that no video of Obama's remarks has emerged, yet, is a blessing for the Illinois Senator's campaign. (This clip, uncovered by Politico's Ben Smith, suggests that someone was videotaping the event and, if so, that the actual remarks are likely to emerge on video at some point.) Scoff if you will but video is FAR more powerful than audio in the political arena. And, the only extant audio we have heard -- captured by Huffington Post -- is scratchy and not of the best quality. That amounts to a blessing for the Obama campaign.

* Rapid Response: Sensing a potential problem, the Obama campaign responded swiftly to the growing controversy -- making sure reporters had transcripts and video of Obama's response to the flood of criticism that started Friday evening. Smart move. Some things are too big to effectively squelch within 48 hours but the Obama campaign apparatus again proved its mettle.

* General Election Practice?: Obama drew kudos for the way in which he handled the controversy over comments made by Rev. Jeremiah Wright -- bolstering the confidence of worried party strategists who wondered if he was ready for the big time. Should Obama successfully navigate this stormy sea (and that remains an "if"), he may well emerge stronger and better prepared for what promises to be a rough and tumble general election. Every crisis -- even this one -- provides opportunity.

MINUSES
* Double Barreled Assault: The "elitism" charge leveled at Obama fits nicely into the messaging of BOTH Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) in the primary battle and Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), who is already waging a general election campaign. For every statement Obama puts out on the issue, two come in response. For every conference call his campaign holds, that number is doubled by Clinton and McCain. Fighting two-on-one makes for tough odds and is usually a recipe for a loss.

* Geography is Destiny: There couldn't have been a worse place for Obama to make these remarks. San Francisco is widely seen by those who live in so-called "fly over" country as an example of liberalism run rampant. Even Obama, who touts his willingness to speak truth to power, appears to have gotten caught playing to his audience.

* Republican Red Meat: Branding the Democratic nominee as an out-of-step elitist is something Republican strategists have some experience with. One needs only think back to 2004 when Sen. John Kerry's ordering of a cheesesteak with swiss cheese, expensive haircuts came to define him as someone unable to empathize with the average voter. Can Obama avoid a similar fate?
* Sorry is the Hardest Word: On Friday, Obama said that his political opponents were twisting his words out of context. On Saturday Obama said he regretted the words he chose but didn't back away from the sentiment. Will tomorrow bring a full-fledged apology? If so, Obama dragged out the inevitable apology for three days -- ensuring that the story will survive into the early part of next week (if not longer).

* The States to Come: Obama appeared to be on the rise in Pennsylvania in advance of the state's April 22 primary. It's hard to see how these comments (and the furor they have caused) don't slow that momentum considerably. And, both Indiana and North Carolina have a high number of small towns where religious faith and gun ownership are close to ubiquitous. It's hard to see Obama losing in North Carolina given the significant black vote, but could these comments cost him a win in the Hoosier State -- the last true battleground in the nomination fight? Could they also impact Montana and South Dakota, small-town heavy states set to vote on June 3?

i agree with him on the positive aspect of this happening on a friday, but disagree with him on the youtube effect. i think if we were to see the comments in context (and via video it would be clear what he said, was stated without malice) it would deflate the entire controversy.

and btw, i'm think that many of the people in question would prefer to be referred to as 'bitter' about how they've been manipulated rather than be labeled as 'uneducated'.

Scoring "Bitter-gate" (So Far) - The Fix

Jet Gorgon · 14-04-2008, 03:21 AM

The point is, Obama is belittling small town people and using a sociological basis to do so (sniffs of Michelle strategy methinks). These people are "clinging" to cultural things they know (guns and church) and showing fear against what they do not (immigration, world trade).
There are many small town folks in the US. They do not like having their values trashed. The closure or population losses from towns are as old as the gold rush days. The economy changes, the mines dry up, demand for widgets declines. This does not mean the values of the people there change and they are the least likely to demand welfare. Manipulated? No, that's how things change. Or maybe they are manipulated coz the govt has to send the social aid to big city ghetto folk or else they'd have riots to quell.
And why keep the press out of a private fundraising event? This probably happens with all candidates, but that's weird in my book.
Bama is also being espoused for his speech-making and elocution and ability to keep the facts straight. This string of speeches is not helping.

stroller · 14-04-2008, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

The economy changes, the mines dry up, demand for widgets declines. This does not mean the values of the people there change and they are the least likely to demand welfare. Manipulated? No, that's how things change.

Circumstances change but the people don't. That's not the way to achieve the American dream of riches beyond imagination. Makes one bitter, I suppose. Obama's assessment is correct.

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Or maybe they are manipulated coz the govt has to send the social aid to big city ghetto folk or else they'd have riots to quell.

What is the point of speculating?

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Bama is also being espoused for his speech-making and elocution and ability to keep the facts straight. This string of speeches is not helping.

What's wrong with his "speech-making"? Which facts has he failed to keep straight?

Boon Mee · 14-04-2008, 05:14 AM

An example of typical liberal hypocricsy:

For Obama, Not All Hateful Rhetoric Is Equal

The Illinois senator's campaign persuaded a delegate to step down after she called her neighbor's African-American children "monkeys." Was the remark just a poor choice of words — or was it more insensitive than Reverend Jeremiah Wright's controversial sermons?

Pajamas Media » Blog Archive » For Obama, Not All Hateful Rhetoric Is Equal

stroller · 14-04-2008, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Not All Hateful Rhetoric Is Equal

Of course not.

Boon Mee · 14-04-2008, 05:59 AM

Video: Reaching out to bitter, Bible-thumping small town gun-packing folks!

Ben Smith's Blog - Politico.com

14-04-2008, 05:14 AM	#356 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: Today 04:10 AM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,789	An example of typical liberal hypocricsy: For Obama, Not All Hateful Rhetoric Is Equal The Illinois senator's campaign persuaded a delegate to step down after she called her neighbor's African-American children "monkeys." Was the remark just a poor choice of words — or was it more insensitive than Reverend Jeremiah Wright's controversial sermons? Pajamas Media » Blog Archive » For Obama, Not All Hateful Rhetoric Is Equal __________________ ผมเป็นคนบ้านนอก

12-04-2008, 01:33 AM	#342 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 10:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	Just being a realist.

12-04-2008, 01:36 AM	#343 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon What the Dormouse Said Last Online: Today 06:19 AM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rabbit Hole Posts: 5,873	You been on vakay, Strollums?

12-04-2008, 10:48 PM	#344 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: Today 04:10 AM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,789	Why not just call them all Rubes, eh? Commentary » Blog Archive » Why Not Just Call Them Rubes? If McCain just hang on 'till Nov, both these sorry fuck-ups (Obama & the Hildebeast) will have imploded by July/August for sure!

12-04-2008, 11:48 PM	#346 (permalink)
raycarey rafiki's sidekick Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: deleting posts in issues Posts: 5,066	clinton and mccain are already trying to spin it against him....but it won't work...because what he said is true.

13-04-2008, 04:46 AM	#347 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon What the Dormouse Said Last Online: Today 06:19 AM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rabbit Hole Posts: 5,873	^ I'd like to hear him say that about blacks in Watts or Harlem or maybe his own church members! Absolutely the same labels apply. Hey, Ray, where you been? Stroller's missed you, I think.

13-04-2008, 06:08 AM	#349 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: Today 04:10 AM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,789	Obama, knowing he's busted, is spinning furiously.

13-04-2008, 06:24 PM	#350 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 10:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	He's not 'busted', saying the same thing from a different angle - is it something unheard of that speakers adjust their style and rhetoric according to the audience and occasion? Seems those rabid whipper-snapper bloggers need to learn a lot yet before they could hope to author anything fit for a reputable site.

14-04-2008, 03:21 AM	#354 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon What the Dormouse Said Last Online: Today 06:19 AM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rabbit Hole Posts: 5,873	The point is, Obama is belittling small town people and using a sociological basis to do so (sniffs of Michelle strategy methinks). These people are "clinging" to cultural things they know (guns and church) and showing fear against what they do not (immigration, world trade). There are many small town folks in the US. They do not like having their values trashed. The closure or population losses from towns are as old as the gold rush days. The economy changes, the mines dry up, demand for widgets declines. This does not mean the values of the people there change and they are the least likely to demand welfare. Manipulated? No, that's how things change. Or maybe they are manipulated coz the govt has to send the social aid to big city ghetto folk or else they'd have riots to quell. And why keep the press out of a private fundraising event? This probably happens with all candidates, but that's weird in my book. Bama is also being espoused for his speech-making and elocution and ability to keep the facts straight. This string of speeches is not helping.

14-04-2008, 05:59 AM	#358 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: Today 04:10 AM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,789	Video: Reaching out to bitter, Bible-thumping small town gun-packing folks! Ben Smith's Blog - Politico.com

14-04-2008, 08:44 AM	#359 (permalink)
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