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Old 20-01-2008, 12:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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McCain (the Reagan foot soldier) looking good
The SC win is a big one. Historically the SC winner gets the nomination.

There is no denying he is the real thing. He will be able kick some Hillary/Obama butt all day long.
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Old 20-01-2008, 12:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If the Bush family have achieved anything it is to make Reagan seem like a genius.
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Old 20-01-2008, 01:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The SC win is a big one. Historically the SC winner gets the nomination.

There is no denying he is the real thing. He will be able kick some Hillary/Obama butt all day long.

The guy looks 10 days away from death.
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Old 20-01-2008, 01:45 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I'm happy. Get Romney outta there.
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Old 20-01-2008, 02:53 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Strange bunch of candidates you've got this time around. None of them seem to me the least bit, well, Presidential.

Giuliani might be the exception, but he doesn't seem to stand a chance. On the Dem's side, they all seem like possible VP candidates, running mates rather than serious presidential candidates.
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The SC win is a big one. Historically the SC winner gets the nomination.
True.

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This may be so, Earl.
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We'll have to wait an see.

I do not consider him a Reagan foot soldier, although I'm not sure what you mean by this term.
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Old 20-01-2008, 03:16 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Strange bunch of candidates you've got this time around. None of them seem to me the least bit, well, Presidential.
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Old 20-01-2008, 03:38 PM   #8 (permalink)
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McCain wants to create a "League of Democracies" to shore up any areas where the UN fails ... not sure who would pay the bills but they would probably be quite busy since the UN is a total friggin' failure.
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McCain wants to create a "League of Democracies" to shore up any areas where the UN fails ... not sure who would pay the bills but they would probably be quite busy since the UN is a total friggin' failure.
A League of Democracies sounds like the path Woodrow Wilson took. And GWB quoted Woodrow Wilson many times in his build to invade Iraq.

The US isn't a democracy and never was designed to be one. McCain does seem like a Neo-Con.
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McCain does seem like a Neo-Con.
Read the most recent issue of "Foreign Affairs" to get a pretty good idea of where Clinton and McCain stand on various issues ... McCain would more properly be qualified as a "Realist" than a neocon.

And I'm not pr-McCain at all ... unless my only choices are him or Hillary.
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I do not consider him a Reagan foot soldier, although I'm not sure what you mean by this term.
This is what he was calling himself during his speech in SC this morning....or last night for you.
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Old 20-01-2008, 04:10 PM   #12 (permalink)
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SK: thanks for the reference on the Foreign Affairs.

Earl: If McCain is playing that card, it's a bit sad.

Reagan was a big spender. A charismatic man who had convictions.

The Tax Reform Act he passed was his greatest accomplishment, IMO.

But those days are finished.

The US economy and its declining middle class have many serious issues to confront - if - they'll be confronted at all.

They days of tax cuts are basically over, no matter what administration or government is in power.
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The GOP Primary in FL is closed to independents. We'll have to wait a week to see how Mr. McCain does.

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COLUMBIA, S.C., Jan. 20 -- Riding the momentum from his weekend victory in South Carolina, John McCain turned his attention Sunday to Florida and the high-stakes primary there that will test whether the Arizona senator can consolidate support among Republican voters and take control of the GOP nomination battle.


The Jan. 29 contest in Florida will be the first Republican primary closed to independent voters, who have provided McCain with his margins of victory in both New Hampshire and South Carolina. A victory, strategists agreed, would stamp McCain as the front-runner in what has been a muddied Republican race and give him a clear advantage heading toward Super Tuesday on Feb. 5.


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IMO it doesn't really matter which Republican wins the nomination, unless the economy changes today, the Republicans are un-electable. They're fighting on too many fronts - literally in some cases.

They may be able to get the voters to agree to stay in Iraq. Even Afghanistan. They may even sell the War on Terror (although I see the UK no longer use this term as they say it inspires would be terrorist).

But they'll never win if people back home are losing their homes to repossessions. And no party ever will.
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IMO it doesn't really matter which Republican wins the nomination, unless the economy changes today, the Republicans are un-electable. They're fighting on too many fronts - literally in some cases.

They may be able to get the voters to agree to stay in Iraq. Even Afghanistan. They may even sell the War on Terror (although I see the UK no longer use this term as they say it inspires would be terrorist).
I think the GOP has been a complete disaster on many fronts. I am hoping the US public realizes this. Remember, how polarized the US can be. But I think the Dems can only lose it. The (D) Pres and VP team and organization will be decent, IMO.

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But they'll never win if people back home are losing their homes to repossessions. And no party ever will.
I blame the US government's recklessness, all parties and politicians, and more specifically, the people that were unscrupulously lending money that people could never pay back. And the borrowers were fools.

The FTSE was down 5.5% today, and Asian markets took a hit. When we wake up on Wednesday morning (after the the US holiday) we'll likely see another decline in the USA financial markets.

Where is the "Greatest Economy in the World Thread."


The sh*t, is now hitting, the fan.
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It's only FL, but there is a run-down on the Independents and leaners that voted for McCain. One question related to the post directly above about Obama: can Obama get enough independents?

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Why McCain Won In Florida

Jan. 29, 2008

John McCain fashioned a hard-fought victory in the Florida GOP primary with a coalition of voters he has counted on many times before - Republican Party mavericks.

He received substantial support from independents, seculars, pro-choice voters, and those Republicans dissatisfied with the Bush administration. Voters' economic concerns also helped propel him to a win.

Mitt Romney came in a close second, winning the conservative Republican vote, including the votes of religious conservatives.

The Winning Coalition

While none of the voter groups McCain won make up a significant portion of the Republican primary electorate, together they were enough to give him a narrow victory.

McCain's chief appeal was to Republican voters who consider themselves to be independent; they made up 17 percent of the primary electorate, and McCain won 41 percent of their vote.

In addition, GOP moderates and liberals were on McCain's side. The Arizona senator won 46 percent of self-described liberals (11 percent of those voting). He also won 40 percent of moderates (28 percent of GOP voters) - beating both Giuliani and Romney by 18 points among these Republicans.
Link: Why McCain Won In Florida, Arizona Senator Fashions Familiar Coalition Of GOP Mavericks To Gain Nod In Sunshine State - CBS News
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^whenever I see the Republican ballot, I wonder why Jeb is not running. Is it possibly, just possibly, because they know they don't stand a chance?
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^whenever I see the Republican ballot, I wonder why Jeb is not running. Is it possibly, just possibly, because they know they don't stand a chance?
I don't like Republicans, but yes, I do like Jeb.

He's a very SMART guy. Brilliant.

Jeb, and not GWB should have ran in the first place but it's too late for that.

Jeb was unique in the sense that he majored in Latin American studies, earning a BA. He went to Mexico on an exchange program and met his wife, and he's been a solid fiscal conservatvie and intelligent politician.

But as Jeb Bush has said: he has "no tengo futuro."

The name has run its course.

Another "Bush?"

Not going to happen, IMO. In 4, 8, or 10 years.
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He's a very SMART guy. Brilliant.
why, pray tell, do you think jeb bush is 'brilliant'? or is it just in comparison to his brother?

anyway, i don't see how anyone could believe that america is going to elect a 72 year old man to be president. but one good thing will come from his nomination....it will bring to light what an alzheimer plagued geriatric reagan was during most of his presidency. reference has been made to it in biographies and inside accounts, but it's never really been front and center in the MSM. once people realize that mccain would be 76 (fucking hell, 76 ) when he left office, the comparisons to reagan will be made, and the truth will widely known...finally.
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