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britmaveric · 23-09-2008, 11:33 AM

John McCain has regained his modest lead in Virginia, where he now bests Barack Obama 50% to 48% in the latest Fox News/Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of voters in the state.
A week ago, the race was tied at 48% apiece. Two weeks ago,it was McCain 49% and Obama 47%.

Rasmussen Reports™: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a presidential election.

raycarey · 23-09-2008, 12:57 PM

today:

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Originally Posted by britmaveric

.................in the latest Fox News/Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of voters in the state.

19-09-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by britmaveric

polls are worthless.

08-09-2008, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by britmaveric

as I've said many time polls are meaningless

02-09-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by britmaveric

Polls are meaningless

so......erm......what's your point brit?

Jet Gorgon · 23-09-2008, 01:18 PM

^ What's yours ray?

ChiangMai noon · 23-09-2008, 01:20 PM

issues is turning into the Ray and jet show.

could you put a sock in the childish squabbling crap and give us something worth reading at least every other post or so?

sabang · 23-09-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

Quote: Originally Posted by britmaveric as I've said many time polls are meaningless

Whilst I wouldn't go as far as to say Polls are meaningless, must admit Brit has a point.

Two Polls released same day for the same state by two respected Pollers- ABC & Rasmussen- ABC has Obama 3% up, Ras has McCain 2% up.

raycarey · 23-09-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sabang

Whilst I wouldn't go as far as to say Polls are meaningless, must admit Brit has a point.

i agree completely that most of these polls are meaningless and i am generally loathe to post or link to them.....my point in post # 1922 is why did brit take the time to cut and paste polling data from foxnews/rasmussen in post #1921---when he had repeatedly posted in the past that polls are meaningless?
and what's absurd is that he didn't add a single comment of his own.

Boon Mee · 23-09-2008, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

^
looks like mcain goes shooting past Obama in September to me.

And on into October until election day if things go well...

raycarey · 23-09-2008, 04:47 PM

the "no talk" express continues....

palin has yet to take questions from a group of reporters, and mccain hasn't taken questions from the national media since mid august.

2008 Election - Politico.com

sabang · 23-09-2008, 05:42 PM

^I find it quite astonishing that this is not made more of an Issue in the states.

Since when did campaigning consist of just making your partisan speech to a mainly pro Republican audience, then not entertaining any questions from the media?

Strangely, they are not even being mauled by the Press for this. If it happened (most unlikely) in the UK or Oz, the media would be in a feeding frenzy.

Texpat · 23-09-2008, 07:08 PM

Time is running out.

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Originally Posted by US Embassy e-mail

Sept 22, 2008

American citizens should register to vote now for the November 4, 2008 presidential and general elections. Many states close voter registration 30 days before the general election. Don’t forget the time it takes for voting forms to reach the U.S. by mail.

Voters who have not yet registered to vote and requested an absentee ballot should complete a Federal Postcard Application (FPCA) on the Federal Voting Assistance Program’s website at www.fvap.gov. You may also pick up a hard copy of the FPCA from any U.S. Embassy or Consulate.

You should also complete a new Federal Postcard Application if you have moved or changed your name since the last time you voted.

FPCAs may be mailed to your local voting officials in the U.S. through the regular international mail or from any U.S. Embassy or Consulate. Some states also accept FPCAs by fax or e-mail.

Luckily the Embassy is doing a visit to Isaan next week. PM me if you want details.

Norton · 23-09-2008, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Texpat

Luckily the Embassy is doing a visit to Isaan next week. PM me if you want details.

Done already. Where are you having your voting form mailed to? Mine will go to address in US and then be sent Fedex to me.

Texpat · 23-09-2008, 08:03 PM

On the Absentee Ballot Request form, you can elect to have it sent to you via e-mail. That's what I'd prefer, but will have my father forward it to me if the embassy guy says no-can-do.

Norton · 23-09-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Texpat

That's what I'd prefer, but will have my father forward it to me if the embassy guy says no-can-do.

Likely State dependent. California only allows you to receive your ballot by mail or fax.

britmaveric · 23-09-2008, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

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Originally Posted by sabang

Whilst I wouldn't go as far as to say Polls are meaningless, must admit Brit has a point.

i agree completely that most of these polls are meaningless and i am generally loathe to post or link to them.....my point in post # 1922 is why did brit take the time to cut and paste polling data from foxnews/rasmussen in post #1921---when he had repeatedly posted in the past that polls are meaningless?
and what's absurd is that he didn't add a single comment of his own.

My point as sabang clearly understood was that another poll says smth completely different. I find it amusing I need to spell this out for you Ray.

raycarey · 23-09-2008, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by britmaveric

My point as sabang clearly understood was that another poll says smth completely different.I find it amusing I need to spell this out for you Ray.

you're always good for a laugh brit.

you do realize that the post in question is at the top of the page, right?
i find it amusing that you apparently think people are as simple minded as you, and won't be able to see that you're making a lame attempt to cover your hypocrisy.

anyway, back on topic.

this afternoon gimmick palin is headed to the UN so she can shake a few hands before next week's debate with biden. she'll meet with karzai, uribe, and.....kissinger.
yes, kissinger.

Gameday - Politico.com

panama hat · 23-09-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

kissinger

I hope she doesn't take it as an invitation when he introduces himself

Boon Mee · 24-09-2008, 12:12 AM

11-year-old suspended for anti-Obama shirt

Heh... It “interrupted the learning environment:”

An 11-year-old in Aurora says his first amendment rights are being trampled after he was suspended for wearing a homemade shirt that reads “Obama is a terrorist’s best friend.”
The fifth grader at Aurora Frontier K-8 School wore it on a day when students were asked to wear red, white and blue to show their patriotism.
The boy’s father Dann Dalton describes himself as a “proud conservative” who has taken part in some controversial anti-abortion protests. Dalton says the school made a major mistake by suspending his son for wearing the shirt.
“It’s the public school system,” Dalton says. “Let’s be honest, it’s full of liberal loons.”
…Aurora Public Schools would not talk about the case but said the district “Respects a student’s right to free speech, such as the right to wear specific clothing,” but administrators say they review any situation that interrupts the learning environment.
Paperwork submitted by the school district says Daxx Dalton was not suspended for wearing the shirt, but for willful disobedience and defiance."

Michelle Malkin » 11-year-old suspended for anti-Obama shirt

panama hat · 24-09-2008, 02:25 PM

Aaron Sorkin Conjures a Meeting of Obama and Bartlet

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By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: September 20, 2008
Now that he’s finally fired up on the soup-line economy, Barack Obama knows he can’t fade out again. He was eager to talk privately to a Democratic ex-president who could offer more fatherly wisdom — not to mention a surreptitious smoke — and less fraternal rivalry. I called the “West Wing” creator Aaron Sorkin (yes, truly) to get a read-out of the meeting. This is what he wrote:

BARACK OBAMA knocks on the front door of a 300-year-old New Hampshire farmhouse while his Secret Service detail waits in the driveway. The door opens and OBAMA is standing face to face with former President JED BARTLET.

BARTLET Senator.
OBAMA Mr. President.
BARTLET You seem startled.
OBAMA I didn’t expect you to answer the door yourself.
BARTLET I didn’t expect you to be getting beat by John McCain and a Lancôme rep who thinks “The Flintstones” was based on a true story, so let’s call it even.
OBAMA Yes, sir.
BARTLET Come on in.
BARTLET leads OBAMA into his study.
BARTLET That was a hell of a convention.
OBAMA Thank you, I was proud of it.
BARTLET I meant the Republicans. The Us versus Them-a-thon. As a Democrat I was surprised to learn that I don’t like small towns, God, people with jobs or America. I’ve been a little out of touch but is there a mandate that the vice president be skilled at field dressing a moose —
OBAMA Look —
BARTLET — and selling Air Force Two on eBay?
OBAMA Joke all you want, Mr. President, but it worked.
BARTLET Imagine my surprise. What can I do for you, kid?
OBAMA I’m interested in your advice.
BARTLET I can’t give it to you.
OBAMA Why not?
BARTLET I’m supporting McCain.
OBAMA Why?
BARTLET He’s promised to eradicate evil and that was always on my “to do” list.
OBAMA O.K. —
BARTLET And he’s surrounded himself, I think, with the best possible team to get us out of an economic crisis. Why, Sarah Palin just said Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had “gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers.” Can you spot the error in that statement?
OBAMA Yes, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac aren’t funded by taxpayers.
BARTLET Well, at least they are now. Kind of reminds you of the time Bush said that Social Security wasn’t a government program. He was only off by a little — Social Security is the largest government program.
OBAMA I appreciate your sense of humor, sir, but I really could use your advice.
BARTLET Well, it seems to me your problem is a lot like the problem I had twice.
OBAMA Which was?
BARTLET A huge number of Americans thought I thought I was superior to them.
OBAMA And?
BARTLET I was.
OBAMA I mean, how did you overcome that?
BARTLET I won’t lie to you, being fictional was a big advantage.
OBAMA What do you mean?
BARTLET I’m a fictional president. You’re dreaming right now, Senator.
OBAMA I’m asleep?
BARTLET Yes, and you’re losing a ton of white women.
OBAMA Yes, sir.
BARTLET I mean tons.
OBAMA I understand.
BARTLET I didn’t even think there were that many white women.
OBAMA I see the numbers, sir. What do they want from me?
BARTLET I’ve been married to a white woman for 40 years and I still don’t know what she wants from me.
OBAMA How did you do it?
BARTLET Well, I say I’m sorry a lot.
OBAMA I don’t mean your marriage, sir. I mean how did you get America on your side?
BARTLET There again, I didn’t have to be president of America, I just had to be president of the people who watched “The West Wing.”
OBAMA That would make it easier.
BARTLET You’d do very well on NBC. Thursday nights in the old “ER” time slot with “30 Rock” as your lead-in, you’d get seven, seven-five in the demo with a 20, 22 share — you’d be selling $450,000 minutes.
OBAMA What the hell does that mean?
BARTLET TV talk. I thought you’d be interested.
OBAMA I’m not. They pivoted off the argument that I was inexperienced to the criticism that I’m — wait for it — the Messiah, who, by the way, was a community organizer. When I speak I try to lead with inspiration and aptitude. How is that a liability?
BARTLET Because the idea of American exceptionalism doesn’t extend to Americans being exceptional. If you excelled academically and are able to casually use 690 SAT words then you might as well have the press shoot video of you giving the finger to the Statue of Liberty while the Dixie Chicks sing the University of the Taliban fight song. The people who want English to be the official language of the United States are uncomfortable with their leaders being fluent in it.
OBAMA You’re saying race doesn’t have anything to do with it?
BARTLET I wouldn’t go that far. Brains made me look arrogant but they make you look uppity. Plus, if you had a black daughter —
OBAMA I have two.
BARTLET — who was 17 and pregnant and unmarried and the father was a teenager hoping to launch a rap career with “Thug Life” inked across his chest, you’d come in fifth behind Bob Barr, Ralph Nader and a ficus.
OBAMA You’re not cheering me up.
BARTLET Is that what you came here for?
OBAMA No, but it wouldn’t kill you.
BARTLET Have you tried doing a two-hour special or a really good Christmas show?
OBAMA Sir —
BARTLET Hang on. Home run. Right here. Is there any chance you could get Michelle pregnant before the fall sweeps?
OBAMA The problem is we can’t appear angry. Bush called us the angry left. Did you see anyone in Denver who was angry?
BARTLET Well ... let me think. ...We went to war against the wrong country, Osama bin Laden just celebrated his seventh anniversary of not being caught either dead or alive, my family’s less safe than it was eight years ago, we’ve lost trillions of dollars, millions of jobs, thousands of lives and we lost an entire city due to bad weather. So, you know ... I’m a little angry. ()

OBAMA What would you do?
BARTLET GET ANGRIER! Call them liars, because that’s what they are. Sarah Palin didn’t say “thanks but no thanks” to the Bridge to Nowhere. She just said “Thanks.” You were raised by a single mother on food stamps — where does a guy with eight houses who was legacied into Annapolis get off calling you an elitist? And by the way, if you do nothing else, take that word back. Elite is a good word, it means well above average. I’d ask them what their problem is with excellence. While you’re at it, I want the word “patriot” back. McCain can say that the transcendent issue of our time is the spread of Islamic fanaticism or he can choose a running mate who doesn’t know the Bush doctrine from the Monroe Doctrine, but he can’t do both at the same time and call it patriotic. They have to lie — the truth isn’t their friend right now. Get angry. Mock them mercilessly; they’ve earned it. McCain decried agents of intolerance, then chose a running mate who had to ask if she was allowed to ban books from a public library. It’s not bad enough she thinks the planet Earth was created in six days 6,000 years ago complete with a man, a woman and a talking snake, she wants schools to teach the rest of our kids to deny geology, anthropology, archaeology and common sense too? It’s not bad enough she’s forcing her own daughter into a loveless marriage to a teenage hood, she wants the rest of us to guide our daughters in that direction too? It’s not enough that a woman shouldn’t have the right to choose, it should be the law of the land that she has to carry and deliver her rapist’s baby too? I don’t know whether or not Governor Palin has the tenacity of a pit bull, but I know for sure she’s got the qualifications of one. And you’re worried about seeming angry? You could eat their lunch, make them cry and tell their mamas about it and God himself would call it restrained. There are times when you are simply required to be impolite. There are times when condescension is called for!
OBAMA Good to get that off your chest?
BARTLET Am I keeping you from something?
OBAMA Well, it’s not as if I didn’t know all of that and it took you like 20 minutes to say.
BARTLET I know, I have a problem, but admitting it is the first step.
OBAMA What’s the second step?
BARTLET I don’t care.
OBAMA So what about hope? Chuck it for outrage and put-downs?
BARTLET No. You’re elite, you can do both. Four weeks ago you had the best week of your campaign, followed — granted, inexplicably — by the worst week of your campaign. And you’re still in a statistical dead heat. You’re a 47-year-old black man with a foreign-sounding name who went to Harvard and thinks devotion to your country and lapel pins aren’t the same thing and you’re in a statistical tie with a war hero and a Cinemax heroine. To these aged eyes, Senator, that’s what progress looks like. You guys got four debates. Get out of my house and go back to work.
OBAMA Wait, what is it you always used to say? When you hit a bump on the show and your people were down and frustrated? You’d give them a pep talk and then you’d always end it with something. What was it ...?
BARTLET “Break’s over.”

CMn should enjoy this!

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aging one · 24-09-2008, 02:29 PM

other side of the story from the Washington Post.

Economic Fears Give Obama Clear Lead Over McCain in Poll

She remains broadly popular -- 52 percent of voters view her positively -- but there have been some notable declines. Over the past two weeks, the percentage of independents with favorable views of Palin dropped from 60 percent to 48 percent. Among independent women, the decline was particularly sharp, going from 65 percent to 43 percent. Her favorable rating among whites without college degrees remained largely steady, but among those with college degrees, it dropped nearly 20 percentage points.
This Story

The survey also showed some backsliding in enthusiasm among McCain supporters. Overall, most supporters of each presidential candidate said they are enthusiastic about their choice, but 62 percent of Obama supporters said they are "very enthusiastic," compared with 34 percent of McCain's supporters. Coming out of the GOP convention, nearly half of those backing McCain said they did so fervently.
Among Republicans, conservatives and white evangelical Protestants, strong enthusiasm for McCain's candidacy has dropped by double digits.

The survey, conducted Friday through Monday, included telephone interviews with a random national sample of 1,082 adults, including 916 registered voters. The margin of error for the full sample is plus or minus three percentage points; it is four points for the sample of 780 likely voters.
Overall, Obama and McCain are tied among men in the new poll, while Obama has opened up a sizable lead among women. The candidates divide white voters, 50 percent for McCain to 45 percent for Obama, while Obama has an overwhelming advantage among African Americans, 96 percent to 3 percent.
Independents, key swing voters, now break for Obama, 53 percent to 39 percent, reversing a small lead for McCain after the Republican convention. McCain is the choice of 86 percent of Republicans, while about as many Democrats, 88 percent, back Obama.
In the new poll, voters once again gave Obama higher marks than McCain when it comes to dealing with the economy, 53 percent to 39 percent. Two weeks ago, Obama's edge on the question was a narrow five points, his lowest of the campaign. Among independents, Obama's advantage on the economy -- now 21 points -- is greater than at any point in the campaign.
McCain's advantages on national security issues have also been blunted. Two weeks ago, when those surveyed were asked who they trusted to deal with a major unexpected crisis, McCain led 54 percent to 37 percent. That lead is gone.
Similarly, McCain's once-sizable advantage in dealing with the battle against terrorism has all but disappeared. There were also big shifts toward Obama on handling Iraq and international affairs more broadly.

Boon Mee · 24-09-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by panama hat

Aaron Sorkin Conjures a Meeting of Obama and Bartlet

Ahhh...Jokes thread?
That's where the best BO stuff is going these days...

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sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Today 05:05 AM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: where the streets have no name Posts: 11,553	^I find it quite astonishing that this is not made more of an Issue in the states. Since when did campaigning consist of just making your partisan speech to a mainly pro Republican audience, then not entertaining any questions from the media? Strangely, they are not even being mauled by the Press for this. If it happened (most unlikely) in the UK or Oz, the media would be in a feeding frenzy. __________________ Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

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Boon Mee Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Yesterday 05:48 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12,906	11-year-old suspended for anti-Obama shirt Heh... It “interrupted the learning environment:” An 11-year-old in Aurora says his first amendment rights are being trampled after he was suspended for wearing a homemade shirt that reads “Obama is a terrorist’s best friend.” The fifth grader at Aurora Frontier K-8 School wore it on a day when students were asked to wear red, white and blue to show their patriotism. The boy’s father Dann Dalton describes himself as a “proud conservative” who has taken part in some controversial anti-abortion protests. Dalton says the school made a major mistake by suspending his son for wearing the shirt. “It’s the public school system,” Dalton says. “Let’s be honest, *it’s full of liberal loons.”* …Aurora Public Schools would not talk about the case but said the district “Respects a student’s right to free speech, such as the right to wear specific clothing,” but administrators say they review any situation that interrupts the learning environment. Paperwork submitted by the school district says Daxx Dalton was not suspended for wearing the shirt, but for willful disobedience and defiance." Michelle Malkin » 11-year-old suspended for anti-Obama shirt __________________ ผมเป็นคนบ้านนอก

24-09-2008, 02:29 PM	#1939 (permalink)
aging one Elite Member Last Online: Yesterday 05:51 PM Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,343	other side of the story from the Washington Post. Economic Fears Give Obama Clear Lead Over McCain in Poll She remains broadly popular -- 52 percent of voters view her positively -- but there have been some notable declines. Over the past two weeks, the percentage of independents with favorable views of Palin dropped from 60 percent to 48 percent. Among independent women, the decline was particularly sharp, going from 65 percent to 43 percent. Her favorable rating among whites without college degrees remained largely steady, but among those with college degrees, it dropped nearly 20 percentage points. This Story Economic Fears Give Obama Clear Lead Over McCain in Poll Full Poll Data The survey also showed some backsliding in enthusiasm among McCain supporters. Overall, most supporters of each presidential candidate said they are enthusiastic about their choice, but 62 percent of Obama supporters said they are "very enthusiastic," compared with 34 percent of McCain's supporters. Coming out of the GOP convention, nearly half of those backing McCain said they did so fervently. Among Republicans, conservatives and white evangelical Protestants, strong enthusiasm for McCain's candidacy has dropped by double digits. The survey, conducted Friday through Monday, included telephone interviews with a random national sample of 1,082 adults, including 916 registered voters. The margin of error for the full sample is plus or minus three percentage points; it is four points for the sample of 780 likely voters. Overall, Obama and McCain are tied among men in the new poll, while Obama has opened up a sizable lead among women. The candidates divide white voters, 50 percent for McCain to 45 percent for Obama, while Obama has an overwhelming advantage among African Americans, 96 percent to 3 percent. Independents, key swing voters, now break for Obama, 53 percent to 39 percent, reversing a small lead for McCain after the Republican convention. McCain is the choice of 86 percent of Republicans, while about as many Democrats, 88 percent, back Obama. In the new poll, voters once again gave Obama higher marks than McCain when it comes to dealing with the economy, 53 percent to 39 percent. Two weeks ago, Obama's edge on the question was a narrow five points, his lowest of the campaign. Among independents, Obama's advantage on the economy -- now 21 points -- is greater than at any point in the campaign. McCain's advantages on national security issues have also been blunted. Two weeks ago, when those surveyed were asked who they trusted to deal with a major unexpected crisis, McCain led 54 percent to 37 percent. That lead is gone. Similarly, McCain's once-sizable advantage in dealing with the battle against terrorism has all but disappeared. There were also big shifts toward Obama on handling Iraq and international affairs more broadly.

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