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Old 30-01-2008, 06:11 PM   #141 (permalink)
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^ He didn't make many pals on the left when he acknowledged Ronald Reagan's achievements.
I like him to...
He's a little too 'Pink' for me.
Another tax & spend Democrat...
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Zell Miller
wtf?

just when i think you can't post anything more absurd than the last post of yours that i read, you go ahead and post nonsense like this.

and there's no chance for lieberman either...but it's not as moronic a suggestion as miller.
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As for Obama: do you think enough white Americans can into the polling booth and vote for a black candidate?
he won iowa, and did very well in NH.
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Old 30-01-2008, 06:15 PM   #144 (permalink)
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And Obama's VP pick can be very helpful to him if he picks, well.
Like Zell Miller or Joe Lieberman.
Don't know Zell Miller, but Lieberman is a lying jerk. Can't stand him.
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Old 30-01-2008, 06:18 PM   #145 (permalink)
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As for Obama: do you think enough white Americans can into the polling booth and vote for a black candidate?
he won iowa, and did very well in NH.
Yes, I have changed my opinion. (I did note this in the post.)

I thought that enough whites in Middle America (or whatever you call it) would choose a white candidate was was in the Center on the GOP ticket.

I haven't seen polling data, and am not sure if I'd trust the answers people would give, but it seems Obama is transcending the race issue.

But I'm not totally sure.
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he's a lunatic.

there should be some stuff on youtube....he challenged chris matthews to a duel.
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Old 30-01-2008, 06:22 PM   #147 (permalink)
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As for Obama: do you think enough white Americans can into the polling booth and vote for a black candidate?
he won iowa, and did very well in NH.
And he might just pull it off but the Hildebeast is ahead with delegates...
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Old 30-01-2008, 06:29 PM   #148 (permalink)
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^ to Ray:

Iowa has a caucus and NH is a very different state than other Mid-West states and Huge states like Texas, and Southern states.

But I think, as stated before Obama is likely transcending the race issue.
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Old 30-01-2008, 06:56 PM   #149 (permalink)
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Below is an article by Dick Morris. A little long, but he details the strategy of both Hillary and Obama and also, how race is, and is not being used.

In Florida, Hillary had a decisive win (although I haven't seen the racial breakdown).

If this article is too long for you to read, check out the bold parts. And yes, this is only a commentary.

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Obama - And Kennedy - Raise the Stakes
A Commentary by Dick Morris

Monday, January 28, 2008


Barack Obama used his victory in South Carolina to change the dialogue with the Clintons in the presidential race. He has taken Hillary’s and Bill’s attempt to use the race issue and replied with a clever move. He has basically called their bluff. And Ted Kennedy’s endorsement of Obama has ratified the Illinois Senator’s strategy and candidacy.



So far, to summarize: Move One was when Obama arrived as a new candidate. Move two was Hillary’s comeback that she is more experienced. Move three was when Obama pivoted off her experience message and said he was the voice of change. Move four was the Clintons’ attempt to inject race into the election. They counted on a racial split in South Carolina to make Super Tuesday about a black/white division.


Now Obama has come back saying, in effect, “Yes, I know that you have made this election about race. But I am betting on the decency, fairness, tolerance, and objectivity of the American electorate. We all share the same hopes and dreams.” In effect, he said I match you and raise you.


To date, Obama has avoided the race issue. But after his smashing win in South Carolina, he embraced the issue and turned it around to his advantage. He did not go down the path of Jesse Jackson and base his candidacy on a rainbow coalition. Rather, he decided to rise above the Clintons and appeal to America’s ecumenical diversity.


So now Super Tuesday is a contest between those who are mired in racial division and those who are willing to transcend it.


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The massive outpouring of criticism of the Clintons for their tactics in South Carolina is withering fire which may take a serious toll among Hillary’s voters. Caroline Kennedy’s invocation of her father in endorsing Obama seems right on the money. Ted Kennedy’s support for him legitimizes white backing for the Illinois Senator and could have a big impact.


The Clintons were banking on a silent invocation of racial division stemming from a massive Obama win in South Carolina among black voters and a last place finish among whites. Their hopes were that whites would note the racial split in South Carolina and react by voting for Clinton.


Entire: Rasmussen Reports™: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a mid-term election.
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Old 30-01-2008, 07:03 PM   #150 (permalink)
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Interesting article. I think Dick Morris is one of the most astute and accurate political pundits in the US.

Of course, he also has an ax to grind with Bill Clinton, so we should take his comments with a grain of self-serving salt.

It's always surprised me that he stays on Fox, as it just doesn't seem like a proper platform for him, but I guess he likes the money.

We'll see if he's right about the race issue.
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Interesting article. I think Dick Morris is one of the most astute and accurate political pundits in the US.
Yeah, it was Dick Morris that introduced, and got Bill Clinton to use the Triangulation strategy. Taking core GOP issues, and making them his own, after the 1994 Congressional elections, that hammered the Ds.

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Of course, he also has an ax to grind with Bill Clinton, so we should take his comments with a grain of self-serving salt.
Yeah, I think about this too. He makes barbs at both Bill and Hillary.

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We'll see if he's right about the race issue.
He noted the "silent" concept of the race issue, and applying it to Super Tuesday.

I will be interested in seeing the White voter breakdown for Hillary vs. Obama in all of the Super Tuesday states.
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Old 30-01-2008, 07:31 PM   #152 (permalink)
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I think Edwards has an outside chance at VP spot for the Demos. Not too sure how this ties up with the North/South split with Prez, but he will likely have enough delegates [to make that choice] to go for it if he wants.

Just my opinion.
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On Teddy's heels John Kerry has popped out of his closet to endorse Obama.
Hillary's got a beeg problem.
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On Teddy's heels John Kerry has popped out of his closet to endorse Obama.
Hillary's got a beeg problem.
Obviously, if this keeps up, it clearly indicates Demo leaders think Obama has the best chance of winning the general election and being the next Pres. Getting interesting.
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You read it here first -- Obama-Romney.

That's my guess and I'm stickin to it.
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^Ok, I'll go out on a limb OB and Edwards -

and I'm sticking to it [*he says, hoping youth and age match*]
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John Edwards to quit presidential race

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DENVER - Democrat John Edwards is exiting the presidential race Wednesday, ending a scrappy underdog bid in which he steered his rivals toward progressive ideals while grappling with family hardship that roused voters' sympathies, The Associated Press has learned.
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Looks like Rudy Gilanni (spelling) is out too, according to a BBC article.
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Why Edwards Never Caught On


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John Edwards is nothing if not dogged. It's a quality that made him rich, and won him a seat in the U.S. Senate, and it's what kept him on the campaign trail on the quest for the Democratic nomination for President for the better part of the last five years.
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"John Edwards didn't really move to the left as much as he began to use the language of class war," said Michael Munger, a political science professor at Duke University. "And that was a tactic designed to appeal to the angry left in Iowa, and the to laid-off factory workers of South Carolina."
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