The Thailand Forum

The Thailand expat forum for Travel, Lifestyle and Fun.


Welcome to the TeakDoor.com forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Forum Home Donate Arcade Chat Room Gallery Blog Mark Forums Read
Go Back   TeakDoor.com - The Thailand Forum > Banal Banter > Issues > US Domestic Issues
Home Register TD Links FAQ Members List Calendar Weather Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

US Domestic Issues Topics which focus on issues within the US or concern those who come from or live in the US.

South China Sea

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 29-06-2008, 04:26 AM   #1461 (permalink)
Boon Mee
Senior Member
 
Boon Mee's Avatar
 
Last Online: Yesterday 06:47 PM
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 9,820
Boon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the net
Donor
Heh...you really have to enjoy this election - The Telegraph quotes “a senior Democrat” saying that Bill Clinton told friends if Barack Obama wants his support, Obama will have to “kiss my ass.”
Boon Mee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-06-2008, 01:24 PM   #1462 (permalink)
Norton
Born Again Pagan
 
Norton's Avatar
 
Last Online: Yesterday 10:33 PM
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Roiet
Posts: 7,236
Norton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the net
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Heh...you really have to enjoy this election - The Telegraph quotes “a senior Democrat” saying that Bill Clinton told friends if Barack Obama wants his support, Obama will have to “kiss my ass.”
I wonder if he expected the same from Monica?

But the link hardly convinces me Clinton said Obama would have to kiss his ass.

"One person told me that Bill said Obama would have to quote kiss my ass close quote, if he wants his support."

Last edited by Norton : 29-06-2008 at 01:29 PM.
Norton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-06-2008, 01:30 PM   #1463 (permalink)
redfoot the fence
Railay Beach
 
redfoot the fence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 116
redfoot the fence has a great interest in Thailand Forumsredfoot the fence has a great interest in Thailand Forumsredfoot the fence has a great interest in Thailand Forumsredfoot the fence has a great interest in Thailand Forumsredfoot the fence has a great interest in Thailand Forumsredfoot the fence has a great interest in Thailand Forums
Quote:
Originally Posted by RobAnderson
Fox is biased as well, but is nearer to the retarded.
well spotted, robert.
redfoot the fence is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-06-2008, 04:59 PM   #1464 (permalink)
Milkman
Gone Off
 
Milkman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: shelf
Posts: 9,543
Milkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the net
We discussed the influence of the Low-Info Voter. And here's an article about influencing the low-info voters.

Quote:
Jim Peterman, a retired Cooper Tire employee who bought his home in Findlay, Ohio, in 1959, says he's trying to sift through rumors about Democrat Barack Obama, but "it's hard to ignore what you hear when everybody you know is saying it."


By Eli Saslow
Sun., June. 29, 2008

FINDLAY, Ohio - On his corner of College Street, Jim Peterman stares at the four American flags planted in his front lawn and rubs his forehead. Peterman, 74, is a retired worker at Cooper Tire, a father of two, an Air Force veteran and a self-described patriot. He took one trip to Washington in 1989 -- best vacation of his life -- and bought a statue of the Washington Monument that he still displays in a glass case in his living room.

He believes a smart vote is an American's greatest responsibility. Which is why his confusion about Barack Obama continues to eat at him.

On the television in his living room, Peterman has watched enough news and campaign advertisements to hear the truth: Sen. Barack Obama, born in Hawaii, is a Christian family man with a track record of public service. But on the Internet, in his grocery store, at his neighbor's house, at his son's auto shop, Peterman has also absorbed another version of the Democratic candidate's background, one that is entirely false: Barack Obama, born in Africa, is a possibly gay Muslim racist who refuses to recite the Pledge of Allegiance.
Link & Entire: Obama rumors fly in Flag City USA - Washington Post - MSNBC.com
Milkman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-06-2008, 06:40 PM   #1465 (permalink)
Texpat
ฝรั่งพูดมาก
 
Texpat's Avatar
 
Last Online: Today 08:35 AM
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Nong Khai
Posts: 9,773
Texpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the net
Sounds to me like he's sifting through the garbage and reaching his own conclusions. He's admitted a smart vote is a high responsibility and he's doing what he can to ensure his is based on the best facts he can find.

Does one have to be at it 6-hours a day to be a high-info voter?

Do you consider yourself a high-info voter Milk? Tell the truth, you're not a voter at all, are you?

This guy is a typical voter. You're just making this shit up to try and smear low-intellect (military) types. He's everything you despise isn't he Milk?

Still, full of shit. It ain't working.
Texpat is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 30-06-2008, 07:10 PM   #1466 (permalink)
Texpat
ฝรั่งพูดมาก
 
Texpat's Avatar
 
Last Online: Today 08:35 AM
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Nong Khai
Posts: 9,773
Texpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the netTexpat User spends way too much time on the net
Received this e-mail from American Citizen Services the US Embassy today:

Overseas Absentee Voting

Act now to register to vote and request an absentee ballot for the 2008 presidential and general elections!

Eligibility to Vote

Generally, all U.S. citizens 18 years or older who are residing outside the United States during an election period are eligible to vote absentee in any election for Federal office. Some states allow overseas voters to vote in state and local elections as well.

Voting eligibility and residency requirements are determined by the various U.S. states, and are available on-line at http://fvap.gov/pubs/vag.html. Your "legal state of residence" for voting purposes is the state where you last resided immediately prior to departure from the United States. Voting rights extend to overseas citizens even though they may no longer own property or have other ties to their last state of residence, and even if their intent to return to that state may be uncertain. For those who have never resided in the United States, sixteen states allow certain U.S. citizens to register where a parent or spouse would be eligible to vote.

Voter Registration & Requesting an Absentee Ballot

Voters who have not yet registered to vote and requested an absentee ballot should do so now.

1. Complete the Federal Post Card Application (FPCA) using the instructions for your state in the Voting Assistance Guide. You may pick up a hard copy of the FPCA from any U.S. Embassy or Consulate, or use the online version.

2. Sign, date and mail the completed FPCA to the address listed in the Voting Assistance Guide. If you are sending the FPCA through international mail, please affix appropriate airmail postage. Alternatively, you can print out a postage-paid address label and ask any U.S. Embassy or Consulate to send your FPCA postage-paid through diplomatic pouch or the military postal service. Some states allow voters to send in the FPCA by fax, but they also require you to send in the hard copy by mail. Follow your state’s regulations precisely.

3. Send in a new FPCA if you have moved or changed your name since the last time you voted.

4. Check your state’s voter registration verification website (http://fvap.gov/vao/stregissites.html), or follow up directly with your local election officials, to confirm that you are registered.

Voting

Your local voting officials should mail your absentee ballot 30 to 45 days before the November 4 general election. Return your voted ballot as early as possible. Be aware of your state’s ballot receipt deadline, as well as any postmarking requirements.
Texpat is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 30-06-2008, 10:05 PM   #1467 (permalink)
Milkman
Gone Off
 
Milkman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: shelf
Posts: 9,543
Milkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the net
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
Sounds to me like he's sifting through the garbage and reaching his own conclusions. He's admitted a smart vote is a high responsibility and he's doing what he can to ensure his is based on the best facts he can find.

Does one have to be at it 6-hours a day to be a high-info voter?
IMO, no not at all. It's the sources that matter, not how much time one spends perusing and canvassing the issues.

Quote:
Do you consider yourself a high-info voter Milk?
I cannot judge myself, because that would be biased. In 1993, when I took a series of tests, the results claimed I was on the higher end. But, I'm a political/economic/news junkie, who follows this....exciting?....stuff.

Quote:
Tell the truth, you're not a voter at all, are you?
I voted in my first national and local election when I was 18 years old. I have voted ever since. I will be voting again for this national, congressional, and local round.



Quote:
This guy is a typical voter. You're just making this shit up to try and smear low-intellect (military) types. He's everything you despise isn't he Milk?
I don't know what "typical," is. I'd have to see extensive polling data.

No offense to this man, but he doesn't seem very well informed. And people like him are a huge demographic, that both parties are aiming to win favor over. It works this way in many countries.

I don't recall the article saying he was in the military. Therefore, he's not what I'd call a "military type," which are your words. I am not sure what you mean by this term. I've never heard of it.

Quote:
Still, full of shit. It ain't working.
You're a poorly informed poster. You contribute little. You make general statements, but often omit details nor add specifics to reinforce your opinion.

This is OK, Tex. The rest of the board reads your posts, too.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

_____________
Milkman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2008, 04:59 AM   #1468 (permalink)
Boon Mee
Senior Member
 
Boon Mee's Avatar
 
Last Online: Yesterday 06:47 PM
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 9,820
Boon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the net
Donor
Heh...

Obama's for Equal Pay, Yet Pays Female Staffers Less Than Males. "That is in contrast to Republican presidential candidate John McCain's Senate office, where women, for the most part, out-rank and are paid more than men."

Yeah, right...
Boon Mee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2008, 05:02 AM   #1469 (permalink)
Boon Mee
Senior Member
 
Boon Mee's Avatar
 
Last Online: Yesterday 06:47 PM
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 9,820
Boon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the net
Donor
Another Heh:
The Saddest Thing About Barack Obama's Available Military Expertise...

...is that though he has Wes Clark in his corner, the only person he knows with the experience of getting a bomb on target is Bill Ayers.

BO's the MAN!
Boon Mee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2008, 06:47 AM   #1470 (permalink)
attaboy
Elite Member
 
attaboy's Avatar
 
Last Online: Today 02:15 AM
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,422
attaboy User spends way too much time on the netattaboy User spends way too much time on the netattaboy User spends way too much time on the netattaboy User spends way too much time on the netattaboy User spends way too much time on the netattaboy User spends way too much time on the netattaboy User spends way too much time on the netattaboy User spends way too much time on the netattaboy User spends way too much time on the netattaboy User spends way too much time on the netattaboy User spends way too much time on the net
Obama rumors fly in Flag City USA - Washington Post - MSNBC.com


I see a journalist who fancies himself a novelist. Journalists tell a 'story'. Peter Jennings used to say we bring you the 'story'. From what I remember of my English grammar, 'story' is not the truth. Story is nearer the truth then myth or legend. It can be based on facts but it is not necessarily the truth. I think the Washington Post printed a journalist's story.
__________________
As a kid I always thought my nickname was "attaboy" until I realized they were rooting for the dog: "Attaboy, get 'em! Get 'em!".
attaboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-07-2008, 06:25 PM   #1471 (permalink)
Boon Mee
Senior Member
 
Boon Mee's Avatar
 
Last Online: Yesterday 06:47 PM
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 9,820
Boon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the netBoon Mee User spends way too much time on the net
Donor
Censorship big-time! Google shuts down websites critical of BO!

Blue Lyon [at] Blue Lyon
Come A Long Way [at] Come A Long Way . . .
Hillary or Bust [at] Hillary or Bust
McCain Democrats [at] McCAIN DEM/CLINTON REPUBLICAN
NObama Blog [at] NObama - Not Now, Not Ever
politicallizard.blogspot.com [at] The Political Lizard Annex
Reflections in Tyme [at] Reflections in Tyme

Welcome to Brave New World.
Huxley's rolling over in his grave...
__________________
ผมเป็นคนบ้านนอก
Boon Mee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-07-2008, 03:03 PM   #1472 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon
What the Dormouse Said
 
Jet Gorgon's Avatar
 
Last Online: Today 07:53 AM
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rabbit Hole
Posts: 7,501
Jet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the net
^ Google or other teams?
Jet Gorgon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2008, 11:05 AM   #1473 (permalink)
Bugs
Yao
 
Bugs's Avatar
 
Last Online: Today 12:51 AM
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: At home
Posts: 857
Bugs User spends way too much time on the netBugs User spends way too much time on the netBugs User spends way too much time on the netBugs User spends way too much time on the netBugs User spends way too much time on the netBugs User spends way too much time on the netBugs User spends way too much time on the netBugs User spends way too much time on the netBugs User spends way too much time on the netBugs User spends way too much time on the netBugs User spends way too much time on the net
Is Pandering the Key to Election Success? | Newsweek Global Literacy | Newsweek.com

Quote:
Candidates Think Flip-Flopping is the Only Way to Win Elections
This is a bit of an interesting articale from Newsweek about the apparent need for candidates to do the flippity-floppity dance in order to win.

I'll take a candidate to task on some flip-flops and yet I am willing to applaud them for others. On long standing issues like gun rights I don't really have much tolerance for flip-flopping, as it is unlikely that something new or illuminating will develop to allow one to change their point of view on the issue. On the other hand on issues like taxes I would be more willing to forgive a flip-flop as I can see justification for change/revision of one's position depending upon economic conditions at a given point in time.
__________________
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion" - Steven Weinberg
Bugs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2008, 12:41 PM   #1474 (permalink)
Norton
Born Again Pagan
 
Norton's Avatar
 
Last Online: Yesterday 10:33 PM
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Roiet
Posts: 7,236
Norton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the netNorton User spends way too much time on the net
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugs
On the other hand on issues like taxes I would be more willing to forgive a flip-flop as I can see justification for change/revision of one's position depending upon economic conditions at a given point in time.
The term flip flop is used in an attempt by both sides to imply a candidate can not be trusted to stick to his word no matter how much the reality of a given situation has changed. Both McCain and Obama have been characterized as outside the main stream of their respective parties. As the campaign moves forward both will move to a more centrist position. Neither will lose significant support from the far wings of their party but both know the election will be won or lost on getting votes from the "middle".
__________________
Eat right, exercise daily, live clean, die anyway.
Norton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2008, 07:11 PM   #1475 (permalink)
chinthee
Sundance is my bff
 
Last Online: 23-09-2008 07:21 AM
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 6,033
chinthee User spends way too much time on the netchinthee User spends way too much time on the netchinthee User spends way too much time on the netchinthee User spends way too much time on the netchinthee User spends way too much time on the netchinthee User spends way too much time on the netchinthee User spends way too much time on the netchinthee User spends way too much time on the netchinthee User spends way too much time on the netchinthee User spends way too much time on the netchinthee User spends way too much time on the net
Donor
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugs
I'll take a candidate to task on some flip-flops and yet I am willing to applaud them for others. On long standing issues like gun rights I don't really have much tolerance for flip-flopping, as it is unlikely that something new or illuminating will develop to allow one to change their point of view on the issue. On the other hand on issues like taxes I would be more willing to forgive a flip-flop as I can see justification for change/revision of one's position depending upon economic conditions at a given point in time.
Yes, I'll agree with this, and also with flip-flopping on health care, and even the economy. These are such huge, multi-dimensional and complex problems that no candidate can ever hope to articulate the correct end-game position on large issues like these. I do agree with you that fundamental rights like gun control, same sex marriage, pro-choice, and other such issues are not flip-flop-able...., so to speak.
chinthee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2008, 06:44 AM   #1476 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon
What the Dormouse Said
 
Jet Gorgon's Avatar
 
Last Online: Today 07:53 AM
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Rabbit Hole
Posts: 7,501
Jet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the netJet Gorgon User spends way too much time on the net
Obama is doing flippies on everything from Iraq pull-out times to free-trade issues. Seems to be based on which states he's pandering to. Political wolf in big hope sheep's clothing. The more he talks, the less I like him.
Jet Gorgon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2008, 10:58 AM   #1477 (permalink)
Milkman
Gone Off
 
Milkman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: shelf
Posts: 9,543
Milkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the netMilkman User spends way too much time on the net
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
Obama is doing flippies on everything from Iraq pull-out times to free-trade issues. Seems to be based on which states he's pandering to.
He has to flip. He has to pander to interest groups.

If a candidate doesn't he/she doesn't get elected. Sad but true. In the USA, this started at least back in the 1830s. Democracy? Not the slightest, at the Federal level.
Milkman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2008, 01:03 PM   #1478 (permalink)
Butterfly
Suspended Member
 
Butterfly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 11,843
Butterfly User spends way too much time on the netButterfly User spends way too much time on the netButterfly User spends way too much time on the netButterfly User spends way too much time on the netButterfly User spends way too much time on the netButterfly User spends way too much time on the netButterfly User spends way too much time on the netButterfly User spends way too much time on the netButterfly User spends way too much time on the netButterfly User spends way too much time on the netButterfly User spends way too much time on the net
GW Bush, like his father, was a pretty big flip flop, and yet I didn't notice any conservatives outcry over his many flip flop,
Butterfly is offline   Reply With Quote