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ChiangMai noon · 30-01-2008, 11:46 AM

Can somebody that actually understands the primary elections explain why the Florida democratic vote didn't count for anything.

Mr Earl · 30-01-2008, 12:03 PM

^only for the democrats.

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In August 2007, the Democratic National Committee voted to strip the Florida Democratic Party of its 210 national convention delegates because the Florida Democratic Delegate Selection Plan violates party rules. These rules state that only Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina can start their delegate selection process before 5 February 2008 but Florida has scheduled their primary for 29 January 2008. The DNC gave the Florida Democrats until 29 September 2007 to come up with an alternate delegate-selection plan that complies with party rules.

link
even after reading through this I don't really understand either.

Jet Gorgon · 30-01-2008, 12:11 PM

The Dem party has penalised Florida for holding its vote before Feb 5, and has banned any delegates from the state to go to the Dem convention, where the party leader will be elected. So, no delegates, no vote to choose the dem leader.

ChiangMai noon · 30-01-2008, 12:14 PM

thanks both.

that sounds like a total cluster fuck to me.

who is responsible?

btw.
an endorsement.

is that simply someone saying that they support a particular candidate?
is it important because so many Americans can't make up their own minds?

chinthee · 30-01-2008, 12:15 PM

^Herd mentality. An endorsement means he carries all his supporters over to the one he endorses. Powerful stuff. Wins elections.

ChiangMai noon · 30-01-2008, 12:20 PM

Toni Morrison the author endorsed obama as well.

What support do authors bring with them?

can anyone famous make endorsements?

chinthee · 30-01-2008, 12:27 PM

^Oh, I was referring to a candidate dropping out of the race, like Rudi today, and then endorsing McCain. He carries his votes over.

Endorsements are also important from political elephants like Ted Kennedy. Unfortunately, famous movie stars probably also have some clout.

Norton · 30-01-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

can anyone famous make endorsements?

Yes, anyone can endorse a candidate. Even you but not sure it would have much effect on the outcome of the vote.

So go ahead and post your endorsement.

Jet Gorgon · 30-01-2008, 12:30 PM

^ Ya. Same as for holding too-early primaries, CMN. Folks in other states take their lead. Oprah endorsed and campaigned for Obama until her fans started complaining that she was backing a black instead of a woman.
I can see Caroline's pull, but Ted's? Whatever, I like to see Hilde get slapped.
One thing about young presidents, like Clinton and maybe Obama -- what do they do after? Speech circuit? Must be a huge let down. Become a member of the Club of Rome? Billybob ain't on it. Maybe there's another secret group for ex-leaders.

Oh ya, CMN, the New York Times endorsed Hillary and McCain. That means these two will get better and more positive press coverage in that paper.

chinthee · 30-01-2008, 12:34 PM

^Jet, I suspect you may be correct in your fear that Obama may be a target. He's too young, too fresh, and too much of a threat to tip the balance of the race card. And, moreover, he's developing a steamroller "Kennedyesque" presence.

In a campaign between Obama and McCain, Obama would look like the belle of the ball to many Americans. So many are tired of the entrenched political families (Bush) running things badly, that I think he could be a huge winner.

That's a big threat to many established factions.

GooMaiRoo · 30-01-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Norton

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Originally Posted by chinthee

I am surprised Rudi has imploded so early though.

He badly misjudged the importance of Iowa and NH. His campaign strategy was very flawed.

There were also a few other factors. Giuliani sold himself as the hero of 9-11, but was swiftboated by New York fire department members for various aspects of his emergency response. Giuliani also used NYC police and taxpayers' money to shuttle his mistress around, not great behavior while running in a political that stresses family values. He's also a little creepy.

Texpat · 30-01-2008, 02:24 PM

^
swiftboated --

his mistress -- was that during his third or fourth marriage?

a little creepy -- um ... yeah.

chinthee · 30-01-2008, 02:25 PM

^Yeah, agree he's kinda creepy. That time with his son should have been cute, but it just sort of showed him in a bad light with a spoiled brat kid.

Jet Gorgon · 30-01-2008, 02:26 PM

In some ways, I think all the candidates have 666 tattooed on their foreheads. Didn't I say that before?

William · 30-01-2008, 03:42 PM

I rather like Barack. I've read his books and he seems likeable enough. I can, however, see why lobbiests in DC might not like him for Pres. So I wouldn't take a bet on him making it through 4 years (if elected).

Brave fella if you ask me. Must know that certain radicals out there would be happy to see him 6-feet under.

Mr Earl · 30-01-2008, 04:23 PM

^ He didn't make many pals on the left when he acknowledged Ronald Reagan's achievements.
I like him to. He's a tremendous speaker and is putting the spurs to Hillary.
I've also listened to his wife speak, she's a pistol. If he gets the nomination and doesn't put his foot in his mouth too much he'll be the next Prez. The country is longing for some charisma and Hillary aint got it.
John McCain has it too, and enough water has passed under the bridge since McCain-Feingold. It's gonna be interesting fo shua.

Milkman · 30-01-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

^ He didn't make many pals on the left when he acknowledged Ronald Reagan's achievements.
I like him to. He's a tremendous speaker and is putting the spurs to Hillary.
I've also listened to his wife speak, she's a pistol. If he gets the nomination and doesn't put his foot in his mouth too much he'll be the next Prez. The country is longing for some charisma and Hillary aint got it.
John McCain has it too, and enough water has passed under the bridge since McCain-Feingold. It's gonna be interesting fo shua.

Good points, Earl. What I'm saying below is by now, common knowlege, I suppose.

For (D) it'll either be Obama or Hillary for the Nom.

For (R) I think McCain.

I don't like McCain.

The possible VP selection is piqueing my interest. I don't think it will be a current candidate.

raycarey · 30-01-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

My man, Duncan Hunter is/was the only candidate with a clue

how's this for 'a clue'?

'your man', would likely have this website shut down......

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On April 28, 2004, Hunter introduced legislation that he said could "turn parents into prosecuting attorneys fighting a wave of obscenity."[33] HR 6390 IH, also called the "Parents Empowerment Act",[34] would allow the parent or guardian of a minor to sue in federal court anyone who knowingly disseminates material "that is harmful to minors", or specifically, "any pornographic communication, picture, image, graphic image file, article, recording, writing, or other pornographic matter of any kind",[35] if it is distributed in a way that "a reasonable person can expect a substantial number of minors to be exposed to the material and the minor, as a result to exposure to the material, is likely to suffer personal or emotional injury or injury to mental or moral welfare."[36]

a bit more lunacy from 'your man'...

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Hunter states that The Right to Life Act "would legally define “personhood” as the moment of conception and, therefore, guarantee all constitutional rights and protections, including life, to the unborn without utilizing a constitutional amendment."[31

Duncan Hunter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and let's not even get started on his crackpot ideas on a border fence or that he's very likely a tax cheat.

to sum up....not presidential in the least.

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Originally Posted by Milkman

For (D) it'll either be Obama or Hillary for the Nom. For (R) I think McCain.

the only chance the republican have to win the white house is if hillary is the dem nominee. if it is obama, it will be a landslide...whether against romney or mccain.
and you can also expect bigger gains in the house and senate on obama's coattails.

the republian field is so weak and uninspiring and the party in such disaray (thank you GWB, at least you accomplished something worthwhile), that the base will only come out to vote against her rather than vote for one of their own candidates.

Milkman · 30-01-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milkman

For (D) it'll either be Obama or Hillary for the Nom. For (R) I think McCain.

the only chance the republican have to win the white house is if hillary is the dem nominee. if it is obama, it will be a landslide...whether against romney or mccain.
and you can also expect bigger gains in the house and senate on obama's coattails.

the republian field is so weak and uninspiring and the party in such disaray (thank you GWB, at least you accomplished something worthwhile), that the base will only come out to vote against her rather than vote for one of their own candidates.

I agree on Hillary. Her negative rating in polls is too high.

As for Obama: do you think enough white Americans can into the polling booth and vote for a black candidate?

Last year, I thought too many whites would not be able to do this, especially in certain parts of the country. (I haven't seen polling data.)

But with a changing mentality of the Boomers, seniors, and the more open-mindedness of the younger generations (the latter may have a higher turnout this election), I think Obama has a solid chance.

And Obama's VP pick can be very helpful to him if he picks, well.

Mr Earl · 30-01-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Milkman

And Obama's VP pick can be very helpful to him if he picks, well.

Like Zell Miller or Joe Lieberman.

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30-01-2008, 11:46 AM	#121 (permalink)
ChiangMai noon punk douche bag Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: o dan y bryn Posts: 28,059	Can somebody that actually understands the primary elections explain why the Florida democratic vote didn't count for anything.

30-01-2008, 12:11 PM	#123 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon Jihad Barbie Last Online: Today 04:50 AM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 12,470	The Dem party has penalised Florida for holding its vote before Feb 5, and has banned any delegates from the state to go to the Dem convention, where the party leader will be elected. So, no delegates, no vote to choose the dem leader.

30-01-2008, 12:14 PM	#124 (permalink)
ChiangMai noon punk douche bag Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: o dan y bryn Posts: 28,059	thanks both. that sounds like a total cluster fuck to me. who is responsible? btw. an endorsement. is that simply someone saying that they support a particular candidate? is it important because so many Americans can't make up their own minds?

30-01-2008, 12:15 PM	#125 (permalink)
chinthee Sundance is my bff Last Online: 10-08-2009 09:13 PM Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,028	^Herd mentality. An endorsement means he carries all his supporters over to the one he endorses. Powerful stuff. Wins elections.

30-01-2008, 12:20 PM	#126 (permalink)
ChiangMai noon punk douche bag Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: o dan y bryn Posts: 28,059	Toni Morrison the author endorsed obama as well. What support do authors bring with them? can anyone famous make endorsements?

30-01-2008, 12:27 PM	#127 (permalink)
chinthee Sundance is my bff Last Online: 10-08-2009 09:13 PM Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,028	^Oh, I was referring to a candidate dropping out of the race, like Rudi today, and then endorsing McCain. He carries his votes over. Endorsements are also important from political elephants like Ted Kennedy. Unfortunately, famous movie stars probably also have some clout.

30-01-2008, 12:30 PM	#129 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon Jihad Barbie Last Online: Today 04:50 AM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 12,470	^ Ya. Same as for holding too-early primaries, CMN. Folks in other states take their lead. Oprah endorsed and campaigned for Obama until her fans started complaining that she was backing a black instead of a woman. I can see Caroline's pull, but Ted's? Whatever, I like to see Hilde get slapped. One thing about young presidents, like Clinton and maybe Obama -- what do they do after? Speech circuit? Must be a huge let down. Become a member of the Club of Rome? Billybob ain't on it. Maybe there's another secret group for ex-leaders. Oh ya, CMN, the New York Times endorsed Hillary and McCain. That means these two will get better and more positive press coverage in that paper.

30-01-2008, 12:34 PM	#130 (permalink)
chinthee Sundance is my bff Last Online: 10-08-2009 09:13 PM Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,028	^Jet, I suspect you may be correct in your fear that Obama may be a target. He's too young, too fresh, and too much of a threat to tip the balance of the race card. And, moreover, he's developing a steamroller "Kennedyesque" presence. In a campaign between Obama and McCain, Obama would look like the belle of the ball to many Americans. So many are tired of the entrenched political families (Bush) running things badly, that I think he could be a huge winner. That's a big threat to many established factions.

30-01-2008, 02:24 PM	#132 (permalink)
Texpat ฝรั่งพูดมาก Last Online: 27-10-2009 11:55 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nong Khai Posts: 12,491	^ swiftboated -- his mistress -- was that during his third or fourth marriage? a little creepy -- um ... yeah.

30-01-2008, 02:25 PM	#133 (permalink)
chinthee Sundance is my bff Last Online: 10-08-2009 09:13 PM Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,028	^Yeah, agree he's kinda creepy. That time with his son should have been cute, but it just sort of showed him in a bad light with a spoiled brat kid.

30-01-2008, 02:26 PM	#134 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon Jihad Barbie Last Online: Today 04:50 AM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 12,470	In some ways, I think all the candidates have 666 tattooed on their foreheads. Didn't I say that before?

30-01-2008, 03:42 PM	#135 (permalink)
William Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: 12-11-2009 02:17 AM Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In jail Posts: 5,826	I rather like Barack. I've read his books and he seems likeable enough. I can, however, see why lobbiests in DC might not like him for Pres. So I wouldn't take a bet on him making it through 4 years (if elected). Brave fella if you ask me. Must know that certain radicals out there would be happy to see him 6-feet under.

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