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Old 29-04-2008, 10:06 AM   #1041 (permalink)
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^ & ^^ I agree, Tex and Sabang. It appears many black women are still siding with Hilly. Hispanics, too. What about the Asians?
The news stations are finally addressing the racism issue, especially now that Wright has refired his personal crusade. His speech at the NAACP mtg where he noted that black children are attacked for their manner of speaking and then parodied JFK: "Yeesk not what your country... What is 'yeesk'," Wright shouted and then said that nobody criticised JFK for his way of speaking.
It is an issue. Just because we call it an issue does not mean we are racist; it means we are attuned to the colour divide in the US, and if you think it does not exist, then you do not know America.
Them thar white honky news stations should have been tuned into TD 4-5 months ago when we started talking about it. Mind, they might have been scared to talk about it before, knowing that all of Ray Carey's extended family would be outside waiting for the anchors so they could shoot them.
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are you two still talking about race?
you just can't let it go, can you?
Nope, coz it's an issue in dis here race for the nominations for electing the next president of the United States of America. If you cannot understand this you are not only colour blind, you are blind. You want to label these journalists racist, too, Ray?

"...in states with sizable black and white populations living together in industrial cities, such as Ohio and Pennsylvania, Mr. Obama loses, because too many working class whites won't vote for a black man.
...The results in Pennsylvania suggest there is at least some truth in this sad hypothesis.
Exit polls from Tuesday's primaries show that 90 per cent of blacks but only 37 per cent of whites voted for Mr. Obama.
Even more ominous, about one-fifth of those who voted said race was a factor in this election, and about 40 per cent of those voters said they would not vote for Mr. Obama if he won the nomination."
globeandmail.com: Are Rust Belt race relations working against Obama?

Below link, please scroll to the vid "Do Americans factor race into their vote?" Includes some of Moyers pandying interview with Wright on PBS. I like the black journalist who bluntly says that people are scared of bringing up "racism" but it is there. The Brit Newsweek guy's poll comments are off the mark IMO.
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Old 29-04-2008, 10:14 AM   #1042 (permalink)
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about one-fifth of those who voted said race was a factor in this election
loosely translated into 20% of American adults are racist.

I'm surprised it's so few.
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Old 29-04-2008, 10:16 AM   #1043 (permalink)
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^ Read the news file, CMN. The writer said many folks polled at the exits may have been lying so as not to look racist. It's just like the PC culture -- folks says one thing in public, but it's the opposite around the kitchen table.
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Old 29-04-2008, 10:19 AM   #1044 (permalink)
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Just because we call it an issue does not mean we are racist; it means we are attuned to the colour divide in the US, and if you think it does not exist, then you do not know America.
no it doesn't but how you've attempted to frame the debate does. it is a gross understatement to say you are attuned to 'the color divide' when from your posts, it's clear that it is your obsession.


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Them thar white honky news stations
who uses this word...but you? show me a quote where obama has used it.
honestly, how old are you? because it reeks of the 60s and 70s.

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You want to label these journalists racist, too, Ray?
for some reason you seem unable to discern the difference between what is written in those articles and your hate filled perspective on race. the articles are stating that racists aren't going to vote for obama...not that obama and his wife are racist....this is what you believe, isn't it?

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Old 29-04-2008, 10:26 AM   #1045 (permalink)
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I'm inclined to say I'd be in that 20% for whom race is an issue.

you see, I'd vote for Obama simply because he is black, that and he's a democrat.
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Old 29-04-2008, 10:53 AM   #1046 (permalink)
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Exit polls from Tuesday's primaries show that 90 per cent of blacks but only 37 per cent of whites voted for Mr. Obama.
Race is an issue...full stop. I don't have the slightest doubt it is as can be seen here and across the US. Obama receiving 90% of the black vote can only be explained because he is black. Hard to say what proportion of the 63% of whites did not vote for him but certainly many did not because he is black. We do know many white women voted for Hillary because she is a woman.

I have never argued race will not be a factor in the results because to do so would ingnore the fact many will vote against Obama no matter the alternative because he is half "black". I don't know how anyone who who votes for or against someone because of color can argue they are not racist. Racism is alive and well in the world and will remain so even if Obama should end up with the Presidency.
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Old 29-04-2008, 11:01 AM   #1047 (permalink)
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I don't know how anyone who who votes for or against someone because of color can argue they are not racist. Racism is alive and well in the world and will remain so even if Obama should end up with the Presidency.
too true.
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Old 29-04-2008, 11:32 AM   #1048 (permalink)
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Well being here in the states and in the Texas area I am concerned with the general public and how angry everyone is getting about the whole issue. Its support their candidate or you should be shot attitude that everyone has! And that seems to be coming from all sides and races.
Makes me wonder is I should start practicing the old "Duck and Cover" drills for when election day rolls around. Just to be on the safe side...

I am right on the fence on who I want to see as the next president. And I most likey will be till the day I am standing the old voting booth. I try to listen to all sides and find things I like but it always comes around to me that is is choosing the lesser of evils. And that scares the hell out of me.
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Old 29-04-2008, 11:43 AM   #1049 (permalink)
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Old 29-04-2008, 11:43 AM   #1050 (permalink)
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I'm surprised the number is so high. 20%? America is the most PC country in the world. It's one of the reasons I left. However, you go into the middle of the country and it's another world - they even fly the confederate flag in some states. Go out there and you'll meet people whom you may see as racist or bigots, but it's just that the PC bullshit of the coasts haven't infiltrated them yet. If you're on tv, everything you fucking say is analyzed to death. If you unintentionally insult a race (even if it's very very slight), say goodbye to your career.

I remember 8 years ago Bush (or maybe it was Perot) was in Mexico or South America and he was giving a speech to the people there, and he said the phrase "You people...." instead of the current PC term (which changes on a daily basis). He was crucified by the news media.

I'm from California, the capital of the PC world, and I'd vote for Obama. Not because he's black, but because he isn't Hillary or McCain.
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Old 29-04-2008, 11:46 AM   #1051 (permalink)
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Them thar white honky news stations
who uses this word...but you? show me a quote where obama has used it.
honestly, how old are you? because it reeks of the 60s and 70s.

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You want to label these journalists racist, too, Ray?
for some reason you seem unable to discern the difference between what is written in those articles and your hate filled perspective on race. the articles are stating that racists aren't going to vote for obama...not that obama and his wife are racist....this is what you believe, isn't it?
It is LIKE so easy to wind you up, Ray. Y'all come down and have some chitlins and corn bread with us now, y'hear?
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America is the most PC country in the world.
i find that extremely hard to believe.
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Old 29-04-2008, 12:06 PM   #1053 (permalink)
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America is the most PC country in the world.
i find that extremely hard to believe.
The US is PC to the extreme. Sensitivities abound to the point where just about anything can result in a law suit. Not many years ago, I made the mistake of saying during a meeting "And my thanks to all the girls in the International support group for their kind and wonderful support." Next day I was called on the carpet by the VP of HR for having used the term "girls" rather than the PC "associates".

Anyone who is employed in a large corporation or the Government beware.
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Old 29-04-2008, 12:29 PM   #1054 (permalink)
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^ Yup.
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Old 29-04-2008, 12:42 PM   #1055 (permalink)
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Yup.
Thank you girl!
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Old 29-04-2008, 12:45 PM   #1056 (permalink)
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^ No problem, li'l nigga.
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^ No problem, li'l nigga

nice.

this post was in response to a post by norton.....and this is his av....

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Old 29-04-2008, 12:57 PM   #1058 (permalink)
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^ No problem, li'l nigga

nice.

this post was in response to a post by norton.....and this is his av....

No offense taken. Sure it was tongue in cheek. Avs don't always reflect ones accepted political correctness.


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Old 29-04-2008, 01:14 PM   #1059 (permalink)
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No offense taken. Sure it was tough in cheek.
by quoting her racial slur and citing your av, i wasn't implying that you were offended, but rather focusing attention on then types of words that seem to come so easily from her.

i'm sure it will be played off as harmless banter, but i think it's really distasteful. particularly from someone who is falling all over herself to convince other posters that she isn't racist.
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