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raycarey

utter nonsense.


show evidence of anything obama has said or done to the contrary.

Jet Gorgon

It's noted all over this thread already, Ray. Please pay attention.

raycarey

bullshit.

sabang

An interesting Op-Ed from the NY Times. The US editorials are full of the Obama/ Hillary acrimony, and the fact that some voters would not vote for the other candidate in general elections if their choice does not get the nomination.

What has seemingly escaped scrutiny is that McCain is facing a worse problem ....

"When the Pennsylvania returns rained down Tuesday night, the narrative became clear fast. The Democrats’ exit polls spelled disaster: Some 25 percent of the primary voters said they would defect to Mr. McCain or not vote at all if Barack Obama were the nominee. How could the party possibly survive this bitter, perhaps race-based civil war?

But as the doomsday alarm grew shrill, few noticed that on this same day in Pennsylvania, 27 percent of Republican primary voters didn’t just tell pollsters they would defect from their party’s standard-bearer; they went to the polls, gas prices be damned, to vote against Mr. McCain. Though ignored by every channel I surfed, there actually was a G.O.P. primary on Tuesday, open only to registered Republicans. And while it was superfluous in determining that party’s nominee, 220,000 Pennsylvania Republicans (out of their total turnout of 807,000) were moved to cast ballots for Mike Huckabee or, more numerously, Ron Paul. That’s more voters than the margin (215,000) that separated Hillary Clinton and Mr. Obama.

Those antiwar Paul voters are all potential defectors to the Democrats in November. Mr. Huckabee’s religious conservatives, who rejected Mr. McCain throughout the primary season, might also bolt or stay home. Given that the Democratic ticket beat Bush-Cheney in Pennsylvania by 205,000 votes in 2000 and 144,000 votes in 2004, these are 220,000 voters the G.O.P. can ill-afford to lose. Especially since there are now a million more registered Democrats than Republicans in Pennsylvania. (These figures don’t even include independents, who couldn’t vote in either primary on Tuesday and have been migrating toward the Democrats since 2006.) .....

Mr. McCain is not only burdened with the most despised president in his own 71-year lifetime, but he’s getting none of the seasoning that he, no less than the Democrats, needs to compete in the fall. Age is as much an issue as race and gender in this campaign. Mr. McCain will have to prove not merely that he can keep to the physical rigors of his schedule and fend off investigations of his ties to lobbyists and developers . He also must show he can think and speak fluently about the domestic issues that are gripping the country. Picture him debating either Democrat about health care, the mortgage crisis, stagnant middle-class wages, rice rationing at Costco. It’s not pretty."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/op...27rich.html?hp

So Pennsylvania, whilst Hillary minded, still looks very much like it will be held by the Democrats in the actual general elections with either contender.

The shrill chorus from the Republican camp about everything Obama does contain an underlying taint of racism, but frankly I think this is not the main issue. The main issue is fear, in this case fear of losing. It seems to me the GOP thinks it can win the election against a bitterly divided Democrat party under Hillary, but will likely lose against Obama.

Obama has undoubtably lost some momentum, although on the other hand you could just see this as an inevitable coming down to earth- given his stellar start to the campaign, which I think took everyone by surprise. It will be interesting to see what happens next, but my bob is on Barack.

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raycarey

the silence is deafening.

Boon Mee

No, here's a case of none so blind as those who cannot see.

Obama dissed rural folks in that speech in...where else, SF, eh?

Take off the blinders, ray...

stroller

Obama is black, Ray, black.

He hates his white mother and thinks middle America consists of bible-thumping gun-nuts. The guy is no Christian, he learned to hate in the Islamist school he went to.
And he's the lapdog of that riot-inciting racist Wright.

It's mentioned all over this thread and others.

You do the maths where allegiance of a guy who refused to wear a flagpin lies when push comes to shove.

His voting record and bills he initiated? Who cares, we've seen enough.

He's an Islamo-fascist come black racist communist mole, a nobody who went through university and rose to prominence only because of the PC guilt complex of the Libs!

Boon Mee

Jesus...steady on there Stroll!

Jet Gorgon

^ Geez, Stroll, I broke out the popcorn for that. I would be just so totally agreeing with what you said if I wasn't so busy doing my nails, like all those other honkey chicks in America. Get me another pack of bazooka bubblegum wouldya?

ChiangMai noon

^
I read it as sarcasm.

Little Chuchok

^No shit...

raycarey

i read it as a dodge of post #1021 and #1023.

Jet Gorgon

Course it was. That's why it's so entertaining to white country chicks like me.

Boon Mee

Are you the proverbial average White Person, Jet?

raycarey

are you two still talking about race?

you just can't let it go, can you?

Boon Mee

In response to that wonderful 'Rev' Wright...

stroller

Just reminding everybody of the facts.
They are White, not Black, and they are not racist.

...unlike Obama.
Racism is endemic amongst Blacks, you would have to live there to understand. Rev. Wright, you know.

Boon Mee

Fair answer, Stroll.
I know you are being sarcastic but that's a fair assessment of the situation.

Texpat

Black voters can neither propel Obama to the Democratic nomination nor put him in the White House.

Until now, if EVERY eligible black voter (12 or 13%) voted for Obama, he'd still need 40 percent of the non-black vote to get to where he is today. Real turnout of black voters is more likely 7 or 8 percent which means a very large chunk of white and Hispanic Democratic voters are voting for Obama. Also remember the Clintons were viewed very favorably by black voters so the percentages are likely smaller yet.

A large majority of blacks are going to vote Democratic in the general election, so ultimately the race issue doesn't mean that much in this election. McCain isn't going to get much of the black vote no matter who he faces. But Obama will continue to rely on white voters. He can do nothing without them.

Roughly 75% of Pa. blacks voted for Obama. Roughly 50% of Pa. whites voted for Hillary. If you insist on banding about the term racist, seems the whites can cross the color divide in this instance easier than the blacks. Same for Iowa, New Hampshire and virtually all the other states. I don't have a link, but current delagate counts compared to US demographics bear this out.

Does it make a difference among Americans what color the candidate is?
Yep. And it always will. Just as religion, age, gender ...

sabang

^ Thems fair ponts Tex. While Obama undoubtably has the black vote strongly behind him, thats almost a given. It will not be the deciding factor in the election.

More importantly, his following amongst white collar, educated Democrats and non- party aligned folk is very strong. Moderates if you like- a number of the voters he is attracting are not one party voters, they might vote GOP under different circumstances.

His following amongst blue collar Democrats and the Unionised vote is weaker. Maybe run Edwards on the ticket as VP? He's very strong in this sector.