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stroller

If this isn't unrefutable proof that Obama is a puppet of international militant Islamism, I don't know what would be.

Meanwhile, Obama's affiliation with Bill Ayers is his next stumbling block: McCain questions Obama radical ties - Ryan Grim and Mike Allen - Politico.com

raycarey

obama was 8 years old when ayers was in the weather underground. obama has called ayers past actions 'detestable'.

ayers is now a well respected academic at the U of chicago, who hosted a fund raiser for obama in '95----13 years ago. he and ayers also once served on the board of directors of some charity for 3 years.

even foxnews can see through this manufactured 'scandal'....

Fact Check: Obama’s Relationship with William Ayers - America’s Election HQ

sabang

Was Obama ever interviewed by Richard Quest? Might be some mileage there too.

Jet Gorgon

Enough drivel. When are they going to get to the real issues. How much are my taxes going to rise?

raycarey

you mean like if he's wearing a flag pin?
or what his wife wrote in her thesis 20 years ago?
or how many hesitation devices she uses when she's interviewed on tv?

is that what you mean by 'real' issues?

from what you've posted before on this forum you're a guest in the US...if you don't like the tax structure....leave.

Boon Mee

Got that right, Jet.
Aside from Osama's...whoops - I mean Obama's Marxist sympathies, it boils down to TAXES...

Jet Gorgon

Sorry, I was saying "my taxes". As I work for a US firm, it does have an effect on me.

Exactly, Ray. The Dems are tittie tattieing, so I called them on it -- flag pins, preachers, phony sniper attacks at airports. For them, those have been the issues, not taxes, etc. I saw Hill on an MSNBC interview last night and she said oil prices have risen to $112/bbl and when Bush took office it was $20/bbl. Oh, like that's Bush's fault. Then she said she'd show the foreign oil providers by making America switch to alternative fuels and make them bring prices lower with the lack of US demand 5555 -- that'll bring the price of oil down. Fek, no mention of China and India, who are major oil consumers now.
Oh ya, and her security umbrella over the Middle East. We must ensure Iran knows we will defend Israel if they try to attack with nukes. Our warning will be enough to deter Iran. 555555555555

chinthee

Well, no surprise, but Clinton won Pennsylvania, 53 to 47 over Obama. So, she is giddy with her new lease on life, and we can look forward to continued nastiness, personal insults, and inventive name calling. (No, I'm not talking about Ray, I mean Clinton vs. Obama).

Obama did put on a good show and shaved the lead from 20 to 6, so he proved he does have legs in the important rust belt, geriatric, Archie Bunker swing states.

Clinton defeats Obama in Pennsylvania primary - Yahoo! News

Clinton's focus on the economy seems key. Obama should take a page from her playbook.

Milkman

^ Yes, I think there will be more personal insults, innuendo, and immature behavior. Primarily by HRC.

Her latest statement about using nuclear weapons against Iran is a perfect example.

An embarrassing election. 6 more months....puh-leaze.....

sabang

I must have read a different viewpoint- basically, it said Hillary needed to win by safely over ten points to retain any meaningful chance to be Democratic nominee- so too little, too late. Obamas loss was obviously widely expected in Penn- whether the Obama team is pleased that they managed to close the gap substantially, or mildly disappointed that they didn't close it by more, I guess we'll never know.

Here's my daily Dig at US electioneering, from the Yahoo link above:-

"She showed her blue collar bona fides one night by knocking down a shot of whiskey, then taking a mug of beer as a chaser. Obama went bowling in his attempt to win over working-class voters."

Has it come to this?

Incidentally, I spent a very nice day out in the Valley Forge area of Pennsylvania- it's just a short drive from Princeton NJ, where I stayed for a couple of months. Beautiful area- and this ain't no rust belt full of embittered, beer bellied bowlers left behind by progress and technology! On the contrary, full of affluent, educated types who appreciate the beauty and history of the area in which they live.

I think this emphasis on painting a state or region of the US as a particular stereotype is demeaning, both to the diverse population of that region, and the country as a whole.

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sabang

Yeh, that propels her straight into the Bush/ McCain school of how not to conduct a foreign policy. Buffoon.

I would have thought a statement like that would give many educated Jewish voters reason to rethink what has basically been a slam dunk for Hillary so far.

raycarey

hot flashes again dearie? it's been the rabid blogs which have forced these issues into the main stream...you know, the blogs you've supported...and in fact if memory serves, called them 'the grass roots'. also, on this forum (which of course has no influence whatsoever) you've been constantly harping on about these very issues. do you not remember that?


thanks. i find double chinthee to be funny too.

great area---although somewhat racially segregated. my parents moved into a house on VF mountain after my father retired so i know it pretty well....the only people of color you saw within a fifteen mile radius were working at the mall.

agreed. but pennsylvania is a big state....and once you get outside of the exurbs, it quickly falls into the conservative wheel house...gun racks, lower income, less education, bibles, and very white.

Norton

A victory for Hillary. Looks like it will be by a margin of 10% invigorating her campaign and her promise to fight to the bitter end. With the win she closes the popular and delegate count but not by near enough to make a difference in the end count. The 10% win only retains the status quo which has Obama going into the convention with the lead in both the popular vote and delegate count leaving the decision to the super delegates. To continue the fight, Hillary desperately needs to raise funds as apparent from her appeal for same in her victory speech.

The win in Pennsylvania should help but will it be enough to convince super delegates to overturn Obama's numbers going into the convention? Unlike Pennsylvania where Hillary entered with a 15% to 20% poll lead which Obama has cut to 10% in spite of Hillary's negative campaign, Indiana is much closer so her margin, if she should win, will be much smaller. North Carolina will likely be an Obama victory.

Given the math, Hillary will not go into the convention with a lead. Her only hope is to somehow convince the super delegates Obama can not beat McCain. The only way she can do that is to continue her destructive negative attacks. The divisions within the Dem party are apparent in polls that show if Hillary is selected as the Dem candidate, 25% of Obama supporters will vote for McCain or not vote at all. 18% of Hillary supporters say they will do the same.

Hillary won Pennsylvania but the real winner is McCain as he can quietly sit back and wait for the next shipment of ammunition delivered courtesy of the Dems which he will use against them in the Presidential election.

The so called wise elders in the Dem party will continue to remain silent as the Clintons continue to wound the party in an against all odds attempt to bring down Obama.

For the moment, I am sure the Republicans are amongst the strongest supporters of Hillary's continuing fight. Wouldn't surprise me if many send money to aid in her crusade.

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raycarey

there's the rub.

if obama wins both indiana and NC it will be interesting to see if any of the heavyweights come out for him...IOW, a signal for clinton to step aside.

if she wins indiana, IMO this is going all the way to puerto rico.

chinthee

Just read an opinion piece by an AP writer. He claims the inability by Obama to "close the deal," "deliver the knockout punch," or otherwise put away Clinton is the very reason the superdelegates are so reluctant. He has not proven he has the knockout punch yet.

sabang

His knockout punch is surely the excitement and hope he has unleashed across cultural divides amongst the Democratic base- including many that are, traditionally, not Voters at all. Whilst refusing to bow to the old Lobby groups by accepting money from big Oil, big Pharma and several other dubious funding sources. Plus his electoral 'weakness'- Catholic White boys who play bowls in rust belts (slightly taking the piss) are both a declining demographic, and often wont to vote conservative anyway. Yesterdays heroes.

Meanwhile his underfunded competitor just brings the debate lower, and will accept money (and hence obligation) from anywhere. I think most Americans should be able to see this.

It's already been the case, I have read, that card carrying Repub's have been voting for Hillary in some primaries to drag on her campaign as long as possible, and let Mccain bask in the shadows for as long as possible. Hillary, of course, doesn't mind. I honestly think it's more important to her to win the nominaton than that the Democrats win the Presidency. She expected a cakewalk to the Dem nomination, and resents the temerity and popular appeal of Obama bitterly.

raycarey

i read somewhere (here?) that if she doesn't win the nomination, she wants to bloody obama enough so that he doesn't win in the general election...thus positioning herself for 2012..her last shot at the presidency.

Norton

This is the argument many are using and have been for quite sometime. I don't buy it a valid criticism against Obama for many reasons.

The same thing could be said of Hillary given she didn't deliver a "first round" knockout as predicted given her commanding lead going into the primaries. She not only failed to deliver the expected first round knockout, Obama, beyond all prefight predictions, is ahead on all the scorecards and when the decision goes to judges (super delegates) as seems will be the case he is likely to be declared the winner. Bottom line; Using the boxing analogy, evenly matched opponents rarely result in knock outs.

Equating his inability to deliver the knockout punch against a strong opponent such as Hillary should not be construed he cannot deliver one against McCain. McCain is not near the caliber of opponent Hillary is. There are major differences on the substantiative issues (Iraq), charisma, majority of Dems, and messages of inspiration which will lead to a landslide victory for Obama (or Hillary) against McCain.

raycarey

good analysis norton.

Texpat

Hope is not a strategy.