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stroller

Nasty stuff, this insane pre-election circus.

Quite amusing though.

Norton

I have noticed a marked sense of increasing desperation amongst our fine right wing members and birds of the same feather in the US. If we look back at the hundreds of posts in the many threads related to the elections, I notice prior to the Iowa caucuses, no one not even the liberals gave Obama a chance and hardly a negative thing was said about him. All the talk was about Romney, Clinton, Richardson and rest.

As Obama's chances of being the next President are becoming more evident (if polls are to be believed) the conservatives are in a panic conjuring up all manner of reasons why he is unacceptable. Most of these reasons revolve around his race, his imagined religion or his statements related to doing something beneficial for lower and middle class Americans.

Racist comments abound but I fail to see how the amount of melanin in his skin has any bearing on his ability to fill the job. Not that it should matter but he is a Christian in spite of how many would try to conclude otherwise. As the gap between the haves and have nots in America widen, claiming he is for the betterment of lower and middle class people in contrast to big business or the rich is far healthier for the economy than what "conservatives" have and will continue offer.

You're going to have to do a much better job than you have so far to discredit Obama so get a grip my fine conservative friends your worst nightmare is about to be a reality. Obama will be the next President of the US.

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blackgang

From what was just on Bloomberg news it seems that at the present time, McCain has an even chance again either Demo canadate to win in the race.
And what the 2 demos are doing to each other has no bearings on his standing at all.

Norton

You are right re current polls. IMO what the democrats are doing right now is the only thing keeping McCain close. Once Obama is selected as the candidate and he focuses his efforts on the run against McCain, I believe we will see McCain's chances take a turn for the worse.

raycarey

of course.

the only attention mccain is getting now is when he mixes up sunnis and shiites---which is becoming an all too regular occurrence.

once clinton steps aside and obama is the candidate, the media and the electorate will have a chance to scrutinize mccain's 20 year voting record, his real military record (not the myth), his scandalous personal life, his hypocrisy on lobbyists, and the rage he has trouble containing.

if anything, obama benefits by having these things come out now in april....much better than august, september and october.

Boon Mee

Only another one of many more I'm sure will come.
Do y'all think for one NY milisecond any average White Guy/Gal will vote for this guy after these revelations over the past couple weeks?

Norton

The average white will. The ah..how shall I put this...OK. Below average won't.

raycarey

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chinthee

Well, Obama has given Clinton the ammo, and she has been shooting nonstop about Obama's working class whites comments alleging those comments are elitist and arrogant.

Absolutely hilarious watching how she is using this, a week after it was revealed the Clintons made over $109 million in the past 7 years, including $52 million from speeches that the president gave, $30 million from the book the president wrote, $10 million from Hillary's book, $1 million from Hillary's Senate salary, $1 million from Bill's pension and other items. If you do the math, for $15 million, the source is undisclosed, with the exception of two sources, including the Emir of Dubai.

So, here we have the candidate Clinton accusing Obama of being "elitist," while her own republican-like recent earnings history begs additional scrutiny.

Very bizarre and funny campaign indeed.

Boon Mee

Save any 'projection' for the liberal view, eh?

The 'average' white person has been turned off by Obama's eletist attitudes as well as those so-called 'Archie Bunker' types I assure you. Those in their respective Ivory Towers cannot recognize this fact...heh

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Norton

Your right projections are a little too early but I can't help it. If TD is any indication it looks like the "white" (only a guess knowing only a few of the posters personally) vote would be pretty evenly split. Seems to me if Obama gets 50% of the white vote he's going to win.

blackgang

Damn sho, If he get 50% of the white vote and he gonna get all of us colored folks votes, so you know he gonna win.

Norton

Sho nuff Big Mama.

raycarey

blackgang is black?

stroller

There must be a lot of Ivory Towers in the US, judging by the latest polls.

Or maybe it is those on oil-platforms who have difficulties facing reality?

Bugs

Seems like Bill causes more trouble for Hillary than he does her good.

Maybe he is affraid she would be better at the job than he was so is deliberatly sabotaging her campaign?

Just when most of the press over her lying had started to die down, Bill not only brings it back he fooks up in doing it. Nice, Billy boy, nice.

Bill Clinton Adds Fuel To Bosnia Sniper Fire
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/11/AR2008041104222.html

Bill Clinton revives Hillary's 'sniper fire'
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3731227.ece



If anyone missed it the first time around:
Sniper Fire, and Holes in Clinton's Recollection
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/21/AR2008032102989.html

Personnally I think the litte girl had a glock in her pocket.

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Jet Gorgon

Norton, the point is, we had little info about Obama when all the candidates were still in the pack. Initially, I believed (and still do) that he oozes charisma, but I didn't think he'd live to see election day if he was nominated. What policies did he have then? Bring the white house back to the people?

As they evolve, Obama's policies are very much slanted to heavy taxes to bail out or help the lower classes (middle classes? bet their taxes would go up). Sounds nice.

The key premise of the United States of America is that anybody can realize his/her dream. There is just one caveat: you have to WORK for it. The US is not a socialist state, it is a capitalist one. Sure you can go work in a factory, but if you want to build your dream, you can do that more easily than in tax-choked nations, like Canada or Western Europe. And, if you succeed, the government doesn't penalise you for it by making you pay way more to support the lazy gits who just expect a handout, and I would expect more lazy gits if Obama gets in.

Obama is dredging up the old race card, not us. But as he has, so we will respond. His latest comments in Pennsylvania are one of his finest efforts in cleaving that divide. How come he doesn't say that sh*t in the poor black neighbourhoods where folks use guns to kill more than to protect, where preachers spew racist vitriole and where any "spics, honkies or chinks" fear to tread.

Sorry, the more I hear him and his wife speak, the more resigned I am to go against him.

stroller

And how would this clash with helping the lower classes? Sure, every cent the poor have more to spend on food, housing and schooling, the rich will have less to spend on private airplanes and luxury resorts.
But does this stop anyone from realising their dreams? Maybe it would become a bit easier for the ones who are furthest away from it to take a step in the right direction - what's wrong with that?

Oh, was this speech "racist" or something? I must have missed that bit.

Why should he?
Here's an idea: let others voice their opinions when, where and how they see fit, and don't expect them to express yours.