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chinthee

It will be interesting to once again watch the Democratic Party self destruct, this time over this fight on the floor of the Convention. It puts all the power in the hands of these "super delegates" who will be jockeying for whatever they can get in their own self interests and of their constituencies.

Looks like a



waiting to happen.

Jet Gorgon

^ Yep. It just depends on how many voters will go to the polls, I think. If only McCain said "OK, enough is enough, start troop withdrawals and let Iraq fend for itself" he'd get way more broad-spectrum support. IMO, Hilde and Bambi are like American Idol starlets that will just be manipulated if they win. Sad day. Build a bunker now and put your funds in the Bahamas.

Norton

By majority vote, for clarification I should have said "pledged delegates" which "approximately" reflect the overall majority of votes.

Pledged delegates to date - Obama 1,553, Clinton, 1,438. Obama ahead by 115. If my math is right, there are 410 available delegates in the 7 states remaining.

For Clinton to pass Obama she would have to win on average 65% to 35%. This just ain't gonna happen as I expect will be more like 50/50 so Obama will go into the convention with the most pledged delegates! Clinton is lobbying to have both Florida and Michigan have their delegates counted where she would probably win albeit by a small margin but very low likelihood redo will happen. Just not enough money or time to redo.

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mad_dog

The super delegates would be mad to go against the popular vote. Obama wins. Who will be his vice president is the question now.

Texpat

^Agreed. It would spell ruin for the dems.

mad_dog

Obama isn't a light weight he reminds me of another man with charisma.... Bill Clinton. If America could elect a black president it would be a challenge to the world wide anti -Americanism which, whether Americans choose to ignore it or not, has had a huge impact on both Americas soft and hard power.

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Hootad Binky

Agreed^ but Geraldine Ferraro thinks otherwise:

Ferraro Remarks on Obama Decried

WASHINGTON (AP) — The first female vice presidential candidate and a fundraiser for Hillary Rodham Clinton suggested Democrat Barack Obama only achieved his status in the presidential campaign because he's black. The Obama campaign called on Clinton Tuesday to denounce the comments.

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," Geraldine Ferraro told the Daily Breeze of Torrance, Calif., in an interview published last Friday. "And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

Ferraro is a former New York congresswoman and was former Vice President Walter Mondale's running mate when he was the Democratic presidential nominee in 1984. She has endorsed Clinton and has been a fundraiser for her campaign.

Obama senior adviser David Axelrod said Ferraro should be removed from her position with the Clinton campaign because of her comments.

The Associated Press: Ferraro Remarks on Obama Decried




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KID

^ agreed, people seem to be choosing because of color and gender instead of with the concept of who would make the best prez.

I pesonally dont like either dem. canidate and really only liked ron paul as far as the rep. go !!!!

Hootad Binky

Hilary better win blue-collar Pennsylvania, like she did Ohio now that Obama's won yet again.

chinthee

Obama coasts to victory in Miss. primary


By DAVID ESPO and CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writers 21 minutes ago

JACKSON, Miss. - Barack Obama coasted to victory in Mississippi's Democratic primary Tuesday, latest in a string of racially polarized presidential contests across the Deep South and a final tune-up before next month's high-stakes race with Hillary Rodham Clinton in Pennsylvania.


Obama coasts to victory in Miss. primary - Yahoo! News

ChiangMai noon

He also won more delegates in Texas than Clinton after winning the Texan caucus.

can someone explain to me the difference between caucus and a primary and why Texas has both and not one or the other?

Milkman

That's her opinion. And how many have been in a political situation because they were a WASP, or otherwise.

He has many qualities that appeal to the masses: articulate, good orator, positive message, young, good looking, and his policies do have appeal.

Ferraro was a horrible choice for VP.

Race will be injected more over the next 8 months.

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Milkman

A caucus is a precinct (Congressional area?) meeting of people who argue forth their candidate and give reasons why. (But their minds are already made up beforehand.)

I believe caucuses are smaller and involve more grassroot organization.


A primary is when people go to a poll and vote on a ballot.

I believe caucuses are closed: you have to register as a (D) or an (R) to attend and vote.

A primary can be open (anybody can vote) or closed (you have to register for a party).

Texas has both. This is the called the "Texas two-step." I don't know why they have both.

Jet Gorgon

Ferraro was a horrible choice for VP.
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This campaign race is funnier than Comedy Central.

chinthee

^Hilary publicly stated she didn't support those comments, but there may be a more sinister side to this:

I just watched Anderson Cooper 360 and they featured analysis of the Ferraro comment as well as others by "Surrogates" of Clinton and the Clinton campaign. There is speculation that the Clinton campaign is intentionally having Surrogates make these inflammatory type statements, and then having Hilary publically state she doesn't support them.

All in an effort to undermine the support for Obama, play on deep racial divides and polarize her large white vote even more against him.

Exit polls done recently confirm that her supporters are more fervent than ever. 70+% of them would never consider Obama for President. That sends a signal to the Superdelegates that if Obama wins the nomination, many of the Clinton supporters won't vote democratic, thereby ensuring a McCain win.

Very clever tactics, and very underhanded.

Jet Gorgon

^ That's why the Reps will come out to vote in force (hopefully).

Norton

Hillary's supporters are doing their best in helping Obama with all the silly BS they spout. Between the good Governor of New York and Geraldine, I figure Hillary has lost far more than she has gained with their "support". Hillary's tactics now have turned to barraging Obama with all manner of accusations in the hope something might stick. As long as her supporters are doing it she can claim as she has done she doesn't support the accusation or statement. Like it or not, the Dems can expect this to continue as it is the only hope Hillary has at this point to go into the convention with a delegate lead over Obama. She must win by a 65% margin in the remaining states! She has no hope of doing this by pulling herself up so can only succeed by pulling Obama down.

In the CNN interview after his win in Mississippi, when asked if he would consider Hillary as his VP, Obama said in a subtle jibe (paraphrased) "She would certainly be on anyones short list as VP."

Texpat

Hillary's only chance is if she were to announce her VP now.

Bill.

Norton

Aside from Bill as you suggest, you have a good point. A very strong VP might just give her the numbers she needs to surpass Obama in delegate count.