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Hootad Binky · 04-03-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

But dem der mfg jobs never vanished up to Canada, now did they?

Why is that impossible?

The Rising Dollar: Explanation and Economic Impacts

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Our trade surplus went up from our natural resource exports, nothing else. (I don't need facts to back that statement, coz we don't have anything else worthy of export

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Canada is the home to the eighth largest economy in the world [1](measured in US dollars at market exchange rates)[2], is one of the world's wealthiest nations, and a member of the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) and Group of Eight (G8). As with other developed nations, the Canadian economy is dominated by the service industry, which employs about three quarters of Canadians[citation needed]. Canada is unusual among developed countries in the importance of the primary sector, with the logging and oil industries being two of Canada's most important. Canada also has a sizable manufacturing sector, centred in Central Canada, with the automobile industry especially important.

International trade makes up a large part of the Canadian economy, particularly of its natural resources. The United States is by far its largest trading partner, accounting for about 79% of exports and 65% of imports as of 2006.[3] Canada's combined exports and imports ranked 8th among all nations in 2006 .[4].

Canada is a mixed market or social market economy,[5] which, according to the Heritage Foundation ranks higher on the "index of economic freedom" than most western European countries but lower than the U.S.[6]. Canada ranks among the most developed countries on the Human development index, with a GDP per capita lower than and a median household income roughly equal to that of the United States.

Economy of Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Texpat · 04-03-2008, 11:56 AM

I read it twice before I realized mfg jobs had anything to do with manufacturing.

Mah Obomics is good!

Jet Gorgon · 04-03-2008, 12:05 PM

^ "Hello, Mr Lom? Sweet thing, itty bitty lovely kitty, etc. We pick you up tomorrow, 8am. You vote Hillary, no?"

Hootad Binky · 04-03-2008, 12:34 PM

Time to turn on CNN...

Norton · 04-03-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootad Binky

Time to turn on CNN...

A bit early I think. Polls not open yet.

Hootad Binky · 04-03-2008, 01:40 PM

Oh they're frothing at their mouthes already...

the corresspondents (and candidates) I mean...

rawlins · 04-03-2008, 01:44 PM

Haven't read through all the previous pages but just adding my say...

I think Brits should get a vote in deciding the next president as we inevitably will end up following alongside all the great foreign policy decisions that America makes like a drooling lap dog....

My vote goes to Obama...

Norton · 04-03-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootad Binky

Oh they're frothing at their mouthes already...

Ah yes. The prefight hype!

chinthee · 04-03-2008, 01:53 PM

Texas, Ohio could decide Dem nomination

By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent 1 hour, 17 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton reached for the finish line of contentious Ohio and Texas primary campaigns on Monday as senior Democrats expressed concern the party could suffer this fall if their struggle goes much longer.

Texas, Ohio could decide Dem nomination - Yahoo! News

Milkman · 04-03-2008, 02:13 PM

Here is Ohio:

Jet Gorgon · 04-03-2008, 06:43 PM

^^^^^^ What did I say in this post, Hootad?

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Canada (we have a mfg industry? Oh ya, cars in Ontario...

Our main mfg is cars. As noted in your quote, our main exports are timber and oil. Maybe throw in power to the US. Not mfg really. That chart is misleading (mfg growth in US & Cdn). The base of 100 is disparate -- it indicates growth but not the actual number of folks, and that graph obviously shows the jump in jobs in the auto industry that shifted to Canada when the loonie was lower than the US dollar over 1980-2003. Please tell me what products in your house were "mfg" in Canada besides Habitat pea soup and maple syrup. Service industry? Ya, cheap jobs in tourism. Face it, Canuck super industries are all based on our natural resources, not Canuck innovation. Oh, except the Blackberry.

Norton · 04-03-2008, 07:01 PM

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Habitat pea soup

Fond memories. The best!

Habitat! Sacre blue mon chéri, Habitant.

BTW Jettie, loose ships sink ships. Be careful what you say. Keep the great canuck secret of Canada only behind China, Japan and sometimes Mexico in US trade deficit. GWB may put up a fence or somebody might want to revoke NAFTA.

Hootad Binky · 05-03-2008, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^^^^^^ What did I say in this post, Hootad?

Yes, our export economy is based mostly on raw materials, which we aren't running out of anytime soon. But we also have a large manufacturing base and the largest part of our economy is actually the service sector. The graph is from Statistics Canada.

So anyway looked at CNN this morning, still too close to call... I hope Obama wins just to settle things. Hilary has more experience but we've been seeing her face for 16 years now and it's time for a fresh approach.

Jet Gorgon · 05-03-2008, 06:22 AM

^ What is the 100 base point? As I said, does it reflect the same # of workers on both sides of the border? Stats -- oh yes, Lies and Statistics.

Non-renewable resources will run out. We have no innovation-generated economy.

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Habitat pea soup

Fond memories. The best!

Habitat! Sacre blue mon chéri, Habitant.

BTW Jettie, loose ships sink ships. Be careful what you say. Keep the great canuck secret of Canada only behind China, Japan and sometimes Mexico in US trade deficit. GWB may put up a fence or somebody might want to revoke NAFTA.

Tabernacle! Did I spell it wrong? Habitant? Oh, dear.

bleu, Norton, bleu.

Loose ship? Nah, poison tongue mebbee, but not loose ship. Or loose cannon for that matter.

I think the US wants to put up a fence on the 49th.

Hootad Binky · 05-03-2008, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

What is the 100 base point?

1980. Click on the link, it's a report for Parliament, explained in detail.

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

As I said, does it reflect the same # of workers on both sides of the border?

Why would there be the same number of workers?

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Stats -- oh yes, Lies and Statistics

What are they lying about? What information is not factual?

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We have no innovation-generated economy

Except for being leaders in bioscience, biotechnology, aerospace, mining. You sure seem to dislike Canada. why are you living here?

Jet Gorgon · 05-03-2008, 06:36 AM

Look at it this way, Hootad. 1980 = 100. Fine. But, (hypothetically) if there were 10 Canadian workers in mfg and 10,000 US workers in mfg in 1980, the graph is fekin misleading, innit?

Hootad Binky · 05-03-2008, 06:51 AM

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The Employment Cost Index (ECI) is a measure of the change in the cost of labor, free from the influence of employment shifts among occupations and industries.

Employment Cost Index technical note

It just means as the CAN $ rises the cost of Canadian manufacturing goes up.

So why the continued layoffs in Ohio? Or the contracting out of crappy $14/hour jobs? Why is GM no longer the biggest car company in the world? Why is it losing billions of dollars?

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GM loses $38.7B, Hargrove says industry in crisis

Tue. Feb. 12 2008

General Motors Corp. is making a new round of buyout offers to 74,000 hourly workers in the U.S. after reporting the largest annual loss for an automotive company.

CTV.ca | GM loses $38.7B, Hargrove says industry in crisis

Milkman · 05-03-2008, 08:21 AM

Hillary campaign likely playing up on the racial issue. No surprise, there.

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March 04, 2008 Some liberal blogs are questioning whether in Hillary Clinton's new TV ad attacking Barack Obama for not holding any subcommittee hearings on Afghanistan, he has been given the same treatment TIME magazine once infamously gave OJ Simpson -- his skin being made artificially darker.

The question was first raised by a diarist on DailyKos who asked readers to look at

the original debate clip of Obama saying he hasn't held hearings because he's been too busy running for president and compare it to Obama's hue in the new Clinton ad, which you can watch

HERE.

Link: Political Punch

Norton · 05-03-2008, 08:43 AM

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Hillary campaign likely playing up on the racial issue. No surprise, there.

At this point she will need all the ammo she can muster. Desperation! Racial issue is not working. Osama wins big in Vermont a state with 95% white population.

Hootad Binky · 05-03-2008, 09:38 AM

Obama's won Vermont and is leading in Texas, Hilary won Rhode Island and is leading Ohio (!) polls still closed in both states...

Just heard Huckabee's bizarre and rambling concession speech, which seemed to say, over and over (through various civil war scenarios and interminable hokey story-telling) "Choose me for Vice-President! Choose me for Vice-President! Me! Me!"

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Texpat ฝรั่งพูดมาก Last Online: 27-10-2009 11:55 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nong Khai Posts: 12,491	I read it twice before I realized mfg jobs had anything to do with manufacturing. Mah Obomics is good!

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Jet Gorgon Jihad Barbie Last Online: Today 04:50 AM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 12,470	^ "Hello, Mr Lom? Sweet thing, itty bitty lovely kitty, etc. We pick you up tomorrow, 8am. You vote Hillary, no?"

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Hootad Binky Thailand Expat Last Online: 28-10-2009 02:50 AM Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: West Coast Canada Posts: 2,923	Time to turn on CNN...

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Hootad Binky Thailand Expat Last Online: 28-10-2009 02:50 AM Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: West Coast Canada Posts: 2,923	Oh they're frothing at their mouthes already... the corresspondents (and candidates) I mean...

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rawlins Yao Last Online: Today 03:54 AM Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 853	Haven't read through all the previous pages but just adding my say... I think Brits should get a vote in deciding the next president as we inevitably will end up following alongside all the great foreign policy decisions that America makes like a drooling lap dog.... My vote goes to Obama...

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chinthee Sundance is my bff Last Online: 10-08-2009 09:13 PM Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,028	Texas, Ohio could decide Dem nomination By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent 1 hour, 17 minutes ago WASHINGTON - Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton reached for the finish line of contentious Ohio and Texas primary campaigns on Monday as senior Democrats expressed concern the party could suffer this fall if their struggle goes much longer. Texas, Ohio could decide Dem nomination - Yahoo! News

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Milkman Gone Off Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: shelf Posts: 15,355	Here is Ohio:

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Jet Gorgon Jihad Barbie Last Online: Today 04:50 AM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 12,470	Look at it this way, Hootad. 1980 = 100. Fine. But, (hypothetically) if there were 10 Canadian workers in mfg and 10,000 US workers in mfg in 1980, the graph is fekin misleading, innit?

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