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Boon Mee · 26-02-2008, 10:15 PM

Bill Clinton thinks he's running for Prez!

"If you elect me..."

Bill Clinton: 'Screw It, I'm Running For President' | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

AntRobertson · 27-02-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Bill Clinton thinks he's running for Prez!

"If you elect me..."

Bill Clinton: 'Screw It, I'm Running For President' | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

FFS Booners, 'The Onion'?? My god man, Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

Boon Mee · 27-02-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Bill Clinton thinks he's running for Prez!

"If you elect me..."

Bill Clinton: 'Screw It, I'm Running For President' | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

FFS Booners, 'The Onion'?? My god man, Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

Heh...knew it would get a rise out of you or ray...

Jet Gorgon · 23-02-2008, 07:30 AM

For brevity, I'm not going to copy/paste your whole litany of twisted press releases and graphs, Hootad; PS, your charts are out of date.

I just read the BC Hydro link which says rates will rise 300%.

You posted a graph for US power rates -- where's the Canuck comparison? 1960-2006?

Cdn interest rates are strong, which keeps the loonie inflated and makes it tougher for exporters to profit (coz they cannot always raise prices in overseas markets).

My letter to the editor included facts from the local govt's press release.

Savings & loans -- may I remind you, I said the gov bails them out or the little guys with savings accounts there will lose all they have. So a director takes out a loan for $300K? It's a loan, not a skim.

Why do YOU keep deriding the US if cos like Starbuckies are paying employee health care?

US prices are cheaper coz they use low-paid illegal immigrant workers? 555 Yep, gee, what about all those Indian farmers and their Mexican workers in BC? 555
It's coz we are taxed to the max, Hootad. Our tax rates are steady? Maybe your income tax rate. What about the higher costs and taxes slapped on companies that they then pass on to us?

Japan's benefits. 555 Cannae find Toyota, but I do know most mfgs have shifted their production to cheap overseas plants, like China and Thailand. Here's one quote from a Denso article:
Workers at Toyota's main supplier lack health insurance coverage
"I thought I'm without health insurance coverage because I'm not a full-time employee. But I feel insecure about working without health insurance coverage," said a woman worker in her 20s working at the Nishio plant of Denso-Corporation in Nishio City, Aichi Prefecture.

Denso is Japan's largest supplier of car parts mainly for Toyota Motor Corp. which keeps making more than 1 trillion yen in annual profits.

The woman lives in a small dormitory room of about five square meters provided by a firm which has a contract with Denso. She receives about 100,000 yen a month after dormitory and meal costs are deducted. She has neither employee health insurance nor unemployment insurance coverage, or the employee pension plan. Denso neglects its legal obligation to provide health insurance coverage to all workers, including temporary workers or workers on contract who work for two months without interruption.

Workers at Toyota's main supplier lack health insurance coverage - GTcars – Car Forum for the Greater Toronto Area
Oh, sorry, that's from a blog site. (not any worse than Wiki, IMO)

Sounds pretty good, eh, Hootad? Please remember that lots of Japanese, who previously worked their whole lives at ONE firm are being laid off.

BTW, I worked in Japan and was covered by their national "healthcare system" for which I paid. I had a slight prob, went to the docs several times, then to the Cancer Institute, where it took three more tests for them to figure I needed my female parts removed. I said FO. Came to Canada and my old fam doc said "bulltwat", did a day surgery and I was off (yes, dear, Hootad, I paid the $5,000 for that surgery all by myself). Tried to claim that cost with my JPN health insurance and they gave me back about $10, saying I could have had it done in Tokyo. 555555555555555

I worked hard to get my education that I paid for (except for a few scholarships for my good grades) and I work dam hard for my money. I reckon I should be able to dispense it to charities, not some govt with hairbrain ideas of what to spend it on. (Oh, I do remember something about the NDP's wonderful high-speed ferries and who can forget their cheap-cheap car insurance plan that all you tree-hugging Canadians scammed?)

Hootad Binky · 24-02-2008, 02:02 AM

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your charts are out of date

No, they're not. Where are your charts?

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I just read the BC Hydro link which says rates will rise 300%.

Subject to government approval. They are still among the lowest in North America, and far lower than California, which you claimed has cheaper rates.

California does not have cheaper rates. You just made that up.

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You posted a graph for US power rates -- where's the Canuck comparison? 1960-2006?

I've posted both current US and Canadian rates, you haven't. Why's that?

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Cdn interest rates are strong

And a full percentage point lower than US rates. Missed that too?

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My letter to the editor included facts from the local govt's press release

Wow!

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It's a loan, not a skim.

You're an expert on the Savings and Loan Crisis now?

please

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Why do YOU keep deriding the US if cos like Starbuckies are paying employee health care?

Because they don't have to do that in Canada, which makes the cost of their doing business here cheaper. But it seems you can't grasp that.

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what about all those Indian farmers and their Mexican workers in BC?

Are they illegal workers?

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Japan's benefits

What does Japan have to do with anything?

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Oh, sorry, that's from a blog site. (not any worse than Wiki, IMO)

Why's that? Care to illuminate us on the deficiencies of wiki's ability to verify its information? What specific information that I posted from wiki was incorrect? You obviously don't have a clue how wiki functions.

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I reckon I should be able to dispense it to charities, not some govt with hairbrain ideas

Hair-brained ideas like building schools, roads, hospitals, etc.?

Anyway, since the only facts you've presented concern an auto plant in Japan, let's return to the OP, shall we?

Hootad Binky · 24-02-2008, 02:15 AM

Hilary seemed a little resigned towards the end of the last debate. Then there was the bad omen of a policeman escorting her entourage getting killed last week. Now the Op Eds are having a go:

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A referee would stop the fight. Hillary Clinton is exhausted, and her supporters are becoming increasingly demoralized. The candidate who tried to present herself as inevitable has been out-maneuvered nearly every step of the way...

Just a few months ago, the prevailing wisdom in the world of punditry was that the Obama campaign was in trouble. Senator Clinton was enjoying a huge advantage in fund-raising and big leads in national polls.

A pair of headlines placed side by side on the front page of The New York Observer in October said: “Aaaaugh-bama!” and “Clinton Campaign Gets in Gloat Mode with $27 Million.”

Senator Obama, according to the conventional wisdom, was too soft. His call for a new kind of politics was naïve. And quietly, behind the scenes, the widespread view was that he couldn’t get enough white votes to secure the nomination.

No one outside the Obama campaign was paying much attention to the disaster for the Clintons that was already taking shape in Iowa.

There’s nothing like the terra firma of hindsight. Senator Obama, it turned out, was a far more gifted candidate and strategist than many of us gave him credit for. And Senator Clinton, for all of her command of the issues, was mediocre, at best, on the stump. He was the inspirational leader. She remained the wonk.

And then there was Bill. It was an article of faith that Senator Clinton’s campaign had a built-in advantage: her husband was the smartest Democrat of them all. But when you think about it, Bill Clinton was never much of a benefactor for others in his party.

When he took office in January 1993, Democrats controlled the White House and both houses of Congress. Less than two years into his presidency, the Republicans swept to majorities in both houses, putting Newt Gingrich in line to become speaker. A New York Times article at the time described Democrats in the House as “disoriented.”

When Mr. Clinton left office in 2001, the Republicans were still in control of Congress, and the Monica Lewinsky scandal and impeachment had opened the door to the era of George W. Bush.

The former president’s less-than-magic touch in Senator Clinton’s presidential campaign contributed to her devastating defeat in the South Carolina primary. He’s been kept more or less under control since then.

You can analyze the Clinton campaign every which way from sundown. But I suspect that the senator’s biggest hurdle from the beginning was the unforgiving nature of time. The tides of history change. Some of Barack Obama’s young and most fervent supporters were just three or four years old when Bill and Hillary Clinton were joined by Al and Tipper Gore for a remarkably successful bus tour through eight states to kick off their campaign against George H.W. Bush and Dan Quayle in 1992.

The Clintons and the Gores seemed the embodiment of youthful promise, of change, and that turned the country on. Their campaign theme song was Fleetwood Mac’s “Don’t Stop,” with the crucial lyric, “Don’t stop thinking about tomorrow.”

Barack Obama, who is 46, the same age that Bill Clinton was on that bus tour, has managed in his campaign to make the Clintons seem the embodiment of yesterday. “Something better awaits us,” he told a cheering crowd after his victory in Iowa, “if we have the courage to reach for it.”

Senator Clinton’s options are not officially closed. But to have any chance at all, she would need a sudden startling string of prodigious victories against a candidate who is better-financed and riding a tremendous wave of momentum.

At the debate on Thursday night, Senator Clinton, who is 60, passed on a number of opportunities to harshly criticize Senator Obama. She refused to say that he was not ready to serve as the nation’s commander in chief. And she suggested that she does not intend to pursue a ruinous fight for superdelegates at the Democratic convention.

She seemed like someone unwilling to sacrifice her dignity or the interests of her party in an attempt to stave off a likely defeat.

Hillary on the High Road? - New York Times

Jet Gorgon · 24-02-2008, 09:13 PM

^^ You are brainwashed, Hootad, and you side-stepped most of my points and twisted others. Another Ray Carey. You brought up Japan's healthcare, not me. BOC O/N rate = 4%; Fed = 3%. Yes, your charts are out of date. (I have access to the latest info, but just as I cannot tell what our stock valuations and ratings are, I cannot tell our other info, either; you can buy info from Bloomsb and other financial sites.) Hair-brained ideas -- I have read about BC govt plans -- where's the action? Oh ya, redevelop Vancouver for the Olympics and tear down all budget housing for the poor? Stuff like that, Hootad? I did not say US power rates were cheaper, I said that our rates are higher coz we send our power to the US. And yes, I do know alot about US utilities, sav&loans, & even the current subprime meltdown coz that's my job. You just dance around the issues. Another Canadian who is spoon-fed by the leftie Canuck press.

^Awww, how nice, Hootad, there's the NY Times trying to salvage Hillary, who it chose as its Dem candidate (it also chose McCain as it's Rep candidate; a true leftie paper -- pick one from both sides, just in case, so it's a win-win).

You must start thinking for yourself, Hootad.

Boon Mee · 25-02-2008, 05:26 AM

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You must start thinking for yourself, Hootad.

Applies to raycarey as well.
Good little soldier in the Marxist army...

AntRobertson · 25-02-2008, 09:11 AM

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You must start thinking for yourself, Hootad.

Applies to raycarey as well.
Good little soldier in the Marxist army...

And which right-wing blog is that little chestnut from? Instead of all the cutting 'n pasting you could just provide the links, it's all going to be the same anyway.

Boon Mee · 25-02-2008, 05:53 PM

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You must start thinking for yourself, Hootad.

Applies to raycarey as well.
Good little soldier in the Marxist army...

And which right-wing blog is that little chestnut from? Instead of all the cutting 'n pasting you could just provide the links, it's all going to be the same anyway.

That little chestnut as you call it is all mine, auntie.

Norton · 25-02-2008, 10:24 AM

Ralf Nader announces he will run for Pres. He's back. Stubborn to the end. Some may remember his very small % of the vote in Florida is what caused Al Gore's defeat and put GWB in the White House!

"

updated 10:33 a.m. ET Feb. 24, 2008

WASHINGTON - Ralph Nader is launching a third-party campaign for president.
The consumer advocate made the announcement Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press." He says most Americans are disenchanted with the Democratic and Republican parties, and that none of the presidential contenders are addressing ways to stem corporate crime and Pentagon waste and promote labor rights."

Nader running for president - Decision '08 - MSNBC.com

Hootad Binky · 26-02-2008, 03:49 AM

On to more serious issues

: Bit out of date, but a decent review of the race so far:

Mighty Rex Star Wars Guide to The Candidates

"My friends..."

"Luke...."

"JOIN ME!!"

Darth McCain

I had to get this one out of the way right from the top, because I know some of you were thinking "Hey, Vader being a powerful black man..." but NO! You need to drop those stereotypes, mister! Obama isn't remotely like Vader, and besides, as we learned in Episode VI, Vader was a cracker! Heavily scarred by traumatic experiences, torture, manipulation, the 2000 Republican primaries... he has the reputation of a "maverick"... remember the arbitrary slaughter of Imperial officers? the offer to Luke to join him?

...but Darth McCain ultimately serves the Emperor, voting with him almost every time. McCain could be redeemed someday, but only by succumbing to Force Lightning and tossing the Emperor into a pit... something he has thus far refused to do. Let's stay in Iraq... err... Tatooine... forever!

onward!

J'han Solo

Umm... Edwards... ahhh, health care, faster withdrawal from Iraq than uhhh... didn't he play the president in Air Force One? ummm.... He'll stand up to the Hutt business interests... uhhhh... Goddamn, he's pretty. Quick, lock him in a sheet of Carbonite so I can hang him on my wall.

Admiral AkbarRichardsomething

Admiral Akbill

Man, I tell you what... you read Admiral Akbar's resume, take a look at his long career, his credentials, and it's amazingly clear how qualified he is to run a major government. What about his prescient snap evaluation... "It's a trap!" We sure could have used that in Iraq. Well-suited to command, noble, respected by his followers and his peers... but then, Akbar is from a place most people don't care about (Mon Calamari? Are you serious?) and looks vaguely ethnic... is he, I don't know... too fishy to be prez? Anyway, he deserves your vote. Who this Richardson cat is, I have no idea.

Limbba the Hutt

Oops, my bad, not a candidate. Sorry!

Ur Question?Shh! 9/11!

Grand Moff Giuliani

We need a president who has experience running a large, unwieldy government. Like the Empire. "Hey, they said it was unmanageable, ungovernable... a large majority wanted to leave and live somewhere else," his campaign ads say. Well, Giuliani certainly turned things around... he built the Death Star! "By the time I left office," he continues, "the Death Star was the best example of conservative government in the galaxy!" Some folks might disagree with his foreign policy, though, consisting as it does of pretty much blasting whole planets into rubble.

Whobacca

Mrrrrrawwwwkkk!!!! Gronnnnkkkk!!! Mrran... wua ga ma uma ahuma ooma. "Whobacca?!?!"... GRONK! "Gravelbacca!!!" Hnn-rowr yrroonn nng rarrr

Mitt Skywalker

Not quite as pretty as J'han Solo. But pretty. Kind of like how Aragorn was never quite as pretty as Legolas, except different. Anyway, Mitt's biggest appeal is that he's the likeable doofus scampering around the galaxy in search of himself, always haunted by the spectre of his father. On the downside, he's so conflicted it's hard to know where his true allegiances lie... he's infatuated with his own twin sister, he listens to apparitions of old men, he preaches religious tolerance... but only for those who believe in The Force. Sort of gives the impression he's been knocked off his Tauntaun a few too many times.

onward!

Princess Leia Orbama of Alderaan, IL

A young idealist constantly criticized for her "inexperience", Senator Leia Orbama once faced down Lord Vader with "Darth Vader. Only you could be so bold... and so stupid." Pwned! Ultimately might make a good team with J'han Solo, if they can get past their differences of opinion. Orbama shows pragmatism, thoughtfulness, and excellent presentation at official ceremonies, and yet can be a ruthless tactician and even a commando when the sitch requires it. A long experience in grassroots organization (on Endor), and also, pretty.

I cn haz Bootz. O yes.

WicketHuckabee

Wicket Huckabee

Speaking of Endor, that sort of weird foresty place where the Ewoks frolic and enjoy each other's company, right-to-work laws, and a ban on gay marriage, who'd have ever thought Wicket, a Republican true believer in The Force, could ever have risen to lead such a traditionally Democratic tribe? I mean, it's inspirational that he lost 105 pounds (he only weighs about 45 now!) and plays the bass, but can you really imagine introducing him to the UN General Assembly? "Ladies and Gentlemen, President Wicket!" How ridiculous. I don't think so.

VirtuallyUnknown

Duncan Biggs Hunter Darklighter

Certainly the candidate with the most dramatic name, unfortunately this veteran congressman and member of the Armed Services Committee hates women and loves the unborn. Also known as "Red Three"; George Lucas doesn't really give us much more to go on, except for a vague homoerotic testimonial offered by Skywalker, who says (huskily) "We're a couple of shooting stars, Biggs, and we'll never be stopped." O rly?

Seriously, look it up in the book... it's near the end.

Nute Dodd-Gunray

Not to be confused with Newt Gunray, who isn't running, Nute Dodd-Gunray is primarily backed by the financial services industry, which he also just happens to regulate as chairman of the Trade Federation.
Hmmm. Interesting.

Did you know he also dated Carrie Fisher for a while? For realio. She dumped his ass.

Obi-ron Paul-obi

Widely respected for his stubborn belief that the whole universe should be run just like his neighborhood on the backwater planet Tatooine, Obi-ron spends a lot of time wistfully remembering the Old Republic. He practices a peculiar interpretation of The Force, in which reducing government to only local control and returning to the gold standard is the answer. Obi-ron reluctantly returned the contributions of the Tusken Raiders and Jawas, whose politics of ethnic slaughter and droid slave trade he justifies as "states rights". While his anti-Empire foreign policy excites the Rebel Alliance, it's pretty much a Jedi mind trick. He's still a crazy old guy living in the desert.

Le FettLe Fred

Boba Fredtt

A fearsome enforcer for sale to the highest bidder, there's a reason they kept Boba Fredtt in the background and didn't let him talk for all that time. It turns out that when you give him a microphone and encourage him to take a bigger role, he's actually kind of dim and boring, even with a kick-ass spacesuit. Remember, when he was on Jabba's sand yacht, a temporarily blinded Solo whacked him with a stick, ignited his rocket pack, and sent him hurtling into the mouth of the Sarlacc monster. Hey, if Solo can humiliate him while blinded, do you really want him as your nominee? Embarrassing, right?

DoucheBag

Tom TanGreedo

Meh, TanGreedo was a xenophobic freak who got wiped out early. Don't need to worry about him.

Jar Jar Kucinich

Nuff said.

Okay, really unfair. But remember how the Gungans were sort of these peacenik bumbly guys who sent Jar Jar to represent them in the Republic Government and then he sort of inadvertently started the Clone Wars or something? Kucinich actually admitted to believing in UFOs, man. I mean, everyone believes, but you don't go around admitting it.

SeeJoe Threepio

See, the funny thing about Cjoe3PO is that he'd probably make a pretty good leader. The Ewoks thought he was a god, remember? He's smart, informed, an excellent protocol droid, but he annoys the crap out of everyone because you can't shut him up. Still, he's been around since Episode I and looks pretty impressive when he gets all shined up. We could do worse. And what would be more kick-ass than Vice President Artoo? A mega-improvement, I'm just sayin'

Hillando Clintrissian

Here's the thing. The Millenium Falcon was hers to begin with. She only lost it to Bill on a bet. Then she got caught up in that whole Cloud City thing in the Bespin system, which proved she could govern, I guess, but she's kinda hoping you won't remember that she totally sold out the Rebels to Darth Vader. That's how J'han Solo wound up encased in Carbonite and Leia ended up in a bikini on a chain. Hmmm. Actually, not so bad! And Hillando did do some nifty piloting against the New and Improved Death Star. Didn't she also record "Caribbean Queen (No More Love On The Run)"?

The thing that scares me is when you talk to her staff, they're like totally dedicated, but kinda scary. Everybody says how Hillando demands their loyalty and efficiency. All we all going to end up being taken over by our Bluetooths? Isn't this getting a little close to Borg territory, which would be a radically different story? Hillando... I just don't know.

Well, that pretty much wraps it up from here. Unfortunately, my favorite candidate isn't running.

"Do or do not... there is no try."

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

"Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."

"Adventure. Heh. Excitement. Heh. A Jedi craves not these things."

"Named must your fear be before banish it you can."

Vote.

best of craigslist : Star Wars Guide to the Candidates

Jet Gorgon · 26-02-2008, 06:49 AM

^ You really hate America, don't you Hootie? I will chat with our utilities analyst and get a price quote on residential power rates.
Toyota -- sure, good pension but they are only hiring in Japan through partial attrition, and please note Toyota and many other Jpn firms have relocated most of their operations to cheap bases overseas, like China.
Quotes? Sure, I can quote, but I have a good memory (eg, Hillary's $5 mil waste on consulting -- BG did expand on that and say it was only for January) and I can remember facts (not fabricated notes from leftie papers).

I'm starting to suspect that you are one of Canada's garbage police, Hootie -- OK, lady, you put a used tampon in the rubbish bin! No collection for you for two months. Sob.
Don't forget, I taught you how to make gravy. You didn't need a quoted source for that now, didya?

Hootad Binky · 26-02-2008, 07:04 AM

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^ You really hate America, don't you Hootie?

I like Americans and like America; however I don't like what the GWB administration has done to America and its image.

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I will chat with our utilities analyst and get a price quote on residential power rates

Can't google the info all by yourself? Too difficult?

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Toyota -- sure, good pension but they are only hiring in Japan

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Toyota Motor Manufacturing North America is the headquarters for all manufacturing affiliates in North America, including Toyota Motor Manufacturing Kentucky (TMMK), Toyota Motor Manufacturing West Virginia (TMMWV), and Toyota Motor Manufacturing Alabama (TMMAL)

Toyota Motor Manufacturing North America

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Quotes?

Nope, facts. And links.

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OK, lady, you put a used tampon in the rubbish bin! No collection for you for two months. Sob

Right.....

Ok.

Jet Gorgon · 26-02-2008, 08:00 AM

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I will chat with our utilities analyst and get a price quote on residential power rates

Can't google the info all by yourself? Too difficult?

Sure, can google, but info like that is mostly several years out of date, like your graphs. Our utilities analyst has current data, which you would have to pay for to access.

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Toyota -- sure, good pension but they are only hiring in Japan

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Toyota Motor Manufacturing North America is the headquarters for all manufacturing affiliates in North America, including Toyota Motor Manufacturing Kentucky (TMMK), Toyota Motor Manufacturing West Virginia (TMMWV), and Toyota Motor Manufacturing Alabama (TMMAL)

You misquoted me. I said they are only hiring by attrition in Japan, and they have relocated many ops to cheaper geographical bases.

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Quotes?

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Nope, facts. And links.

More diatribes from the likes of wiki and NYTimes? Hogwash. You are brainwashed by lefty and unreliable media. I have found several errors on wiki; it's just blog notes from the masses. "Oh, my hobby is English history. I will share my research. The Battle of Hastings was in 1266..."
I imagine you would believe everything I said if it was reprinted in the NY Times, wouldn't you, Hootie? Blind leading the Canadian blind.

Hootad Binky · 27-02-2008, 01:34 AM

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info like that is mostly several years out of date, like your graphs.

The info from BC Hydro is 2008. The info on US rates is from 2006.

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More diatribes from the likes of wiki and NYTimes? Hogwash. You are brainwashed by lefty and unreliable media. I have found several errors on wiki

If there are any errors in the data I posted, please point them out.

Jet Gorgon · 27-02-2008, 02:06 PM

Ohio Dem debate vid
msnbc.com Video Player

Jet Gorgon · 27-02-2008, 04:39 PM

Just watched the Ohio debate. Dismal.
Hilde sidestepped every issue again. The best was slipping away from answering where she got the $5mil from her own funds. Declaring it? If I am the nominee. Crock.
Obama looked like he was ready to keel over from the mega flu bug; could hardly keep his eyes open and kept lacing his fingers to regain strength. Give him credit, he had good retorts.
They do their healthcare schemes and all the docs will run away, like they did in Canada. Sure, healthcare is good, but you have to pay the white coats who probly paid at least half a mil to get their education.
Obama slipped into his wife lingo -- gonna, gotta, more sick, more...something, forget. The guy was really ill. More credit to him for handling the whole debate.

Milkman · 27-02-2008, 06:58 PM

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Just watched the Ohio debate. Dismal.
Hilde sidestepped every issue again. The best was slipping away from answering where she got the $5mil from her own funds. Declaring it? If I am the nominee. Crock.
Obama looked like he was ready to keel over from the mega flu bug; could hardly keep his eyes open and kept lacing his fingers to regain strength. Give him credit, he had good retorts.
They do their healthcare schemes and all the docs will run away, like they did in Canada. Sure, healthcare is good, but you have to pay the white coats who probly paid at least half a mil to get their education.
Obama slipped into his wife lingo -- gonna, gotta, more sick, more...something, forget. The guy was really ill. More credit to him for handling the whole debate.

So, was it a tie, Jet, in your opinion?

I forgot who you're for, if you're for anyone.

The pundits claim no bad miss-steps were made by Obama, so it should keep him solid, as he's gaining in the polls nationwide, and in particular, in Ohion and Texas.

Jet Gorgon · 28-02-2008, 01:14 AM

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So, was it a tie, Jet, in your opinion?

I forgot who you're for, if you're for anyone.

The pundits claim no bad miss-steps were made by Obama, so it should keep him solid, as he's gaining in the polls nationwide, and in particular, in Ohion and Texas.

I think a tie, MM. Just read through the morning news cache and most opinion sees it pretty equal, which is bad for Hilde. I think the key waffle points hurt both -- Hilde side-stepping her income declaration date and Obama slithering off the point when asked about using public finance for the post-nominee campaign against McCain. OB always came across as the honest joe before, now he just resembles another slick willy, IMO.
I dunno, maybe it's a chick thing, but I swear Obama was so full of meds to keep him upright that he could hardly keep his eyes open. I sensed that Hilde sniffed out this weak spot and tried to hit him continuously. She didn't do well.
OB did look pretty presidential and unflappable. If they were standing, I'd have expected Hilde to start stomping her feet.
Both candidates look like sh*te -- Hill's face has tightened (sorry, someone else mentioned that already) and OB's is drawn and gaunt (those nose to chin lines are getting deeply etched) . Also, Obama was fidgety with his hands.
I do not applaud either healthcare plan; I never supported NAFTA, but I do support free trade -- to a point. I think both candidates are way off target tho in blaming NAFTA for Ohio job losses -- they should have hit on China FFS.

24-02-2008, 09:13 PM	#7 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon Jihad Barbie Last Online: Today 04:50 AM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 12,470	^^ You are brainwashed, Hootad, and you side-stepped most of my points and twisted others. Another Ray Carey. You brought up Japan's healthcare, not me. BOC O/N rate = 4%; Fed = 3%. Yes, your charts are out of date. (I have access to the latest info, but just as I cannot tell what our stock valuations and ratings are, I cannot tell our other info, either; you can buy info from Bloomsb and other financial sites.) Hair-brained ideas -- I have read about BC govt plans -- where's the action? Oh ya, redevelop Vancouver for the Olympics and tear down all budget housing for the poor? Stuff like that, Hootad? I did not say US power rates were cheaper, I said that our rates are higher coz we send our power to the US. And yes, I do know alot about US utilities, sav&loans, & even the current subprime meltdown coz that's my job. You just dance around the issues. Another Canadian who is spoon-fed by the leftie Canuck press. ^Awww, how nice, Hootad, there's the NY Times trying to salvage Hillary, who it chose as its Dem candidate (it also chose McCain as it's Rep candidate; a true leftie paper -- pick one from both sides, just in case, so it's a win-win). You must start thinking for yourself, Hootad. Last edited by Jet Gorgon : 24-02-2008 at 09:25 PM.

25-02-2008, 10:24 AM	#11 (permalink)
Norton Days Work Done! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Roiet Posts: 11,510	Ralf Nader announces he will run for Pres. He's back. Stubborn to the end. Some may remember his very small % of the vote in Florida is what caused Al Gore's defeat and put GWB in the White House! " updated 10:33 a.m. ET Feb. 24, 2008 WASHINGTON - Ralph Nader is launching a third-party campaign for president. The consumer advocate made the announcement Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press." He says most Americans are disenchanted with the Democratic and Republican parties, and that none of the presidential contenders are addressing ways to stem corporate crime and Pentagon waste and promote labor rights." Nader running for president - Decision '08 - MSNBC.com __________________ There is such a thing as a nation being so right that it does not need to convince others by force that it is right. Woodrow Wilson

26-02-2008, 03:49 AM	#12 (permalink)
Hootad Binky Thailand Expat Last Online: 28-10-2009 02:50 AM Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: West Coast Canada Posts: 2,923	On to more serious issues : Bit out of date, but a decent review of the race so far: Mighty Rex Star Wars Guide to The Candidates "My friends..." "Luke...." "JOIN ME!!" Darth McCain I had to get this one out of the way right from the top, because I know some of you were thinking "Hey, Vader being a powerful black man..." but NO! You need to drop those stereotypes, mister! Obama isn't remotely like Vader, and besides, as we learned in Episode VI, Vader was a cracker! Heavily scarred by traumatic experiences, torture, manipulation, the 2000 Republican primaries... he has the reputation of a "maverick"... remember the arbitrary slaughter of Imperial officers? the offer to Luke to join him? ...but Darth McCain ultimately serves the Emperor, voting with him almost every time. McCain could be redeemed someday, but only by succumbing to Force Lightning and tossing the Emperor into a pit... something he has thus far refused to do. Let's stay in Iraq... err... Tatooine... forever! onward! J'han Solo Umm... Edwards... ahhh, health care, faster withdrawal from Iraq than uhhh... didn't he play the president in Air Force One? ummm.... He'll stand up to the Hutt business interests... uhhhh... Goddamn, he's pretty. Quick, lock him in a sheet of Carbonite so I can hang him on my wall. Admiral AkbarRichardsomething Admiral Akbill Man, I tell you what... you read Admiral Akbar's resume, take a look at his long career, his credentials, and it's amazingly clear how qualified he is to run a major government. What about his prescient snap evaluation... "It's a trap!" We sure could have used that in Iraq. Well-suited to command, noble, respected by his followers and his peers... but then, Akbar is from a place most people don't care about (Mon Calamari? Are you serious?) and looks vaguely ethnic... is he, I don't know... too fishy to be prez? Anyway, he deserves your vote. Who this Richardson cat is, I have no idea. Limbba the Hutt Oops, my bad, not a candidate. Sorry! Ur Question?Shh! 9/11! Grand Moff Giuliani We need a president who has experience running a large, unwieldy government. Like the Empire. "Hey, they said it was unmanageable, ungovernable... a large majority wanted to leave and live somewhere else," his campaign ads say. Well, Giuliani certainly turned things around... he built the Death Star! "By the time I left office," he continues, "the Death Star was the best example of conservative government in the galaxy!" Some folks might disagree with his foreign policy, though, consisting as it does of pretty much blasting whole planets into rubble. Whobacca Mrrrrrawwwwkkk!!!! Gronnnnkkkk!!! Mrran... wua ga ma uma ahuma ooma. "Whobacca?!?!"... GRONK! "Gravelbacca!!!" Hnn-rowr yrroonn nng rarrr Mitt Skywalker Not quite as pretty as J'han Solo. But pretty. Kind of like how Aragorn was never quite as pretty as Legolas, except different. Anyway, Mitt's biggest appeal is that he's the likeable doofus scampering around the galaxy in search of himself, always haunted by the spectre of his father. On the downside, he's so conflicted it's hard to know where his true allegiances lie... he's infatuated with his own twin sister, he listens to apparitions of old men, he preaches religious tolerance... but only for those who believe in The Force. Sort of gives the impression he's been knocked off his Tauntaun a few too many times. onward! Princess Leia Orbama of Alderaan, IL A young idealist constantly criticized for her "inexperience", Senator Leia Orbama once faced down Lord Vader with "Darth Vader. Only you could be so bold... and so stupid." Pwned! Ultimately might make a good team with J'han Solo, if they can get past their differences of opinion. Orbama shows pragmatism, thoughtfulness, and excellent presentation at official ceremonies, and yet can be a ruthless tactician and even a commando when the sitch requires it. A long experience in grassroots organization (on Endor), and also, pretty. I cn haz Bootz. O yes. WicketHuckabee Wicket Huckabee Speaking of Endor, that sort of weird foresty place where the Ewoks frolic and enjoy each other's company, right-to-work laws, and a ban on gay marriage, who'd have ever thought Wicket, a Republican true believer in The Force, could ever have risen to lead such a traditionally Democratic tribe? I mean, it's inspirational that he lost 105 pounds (he only weighs about 45 now!) and plays the bass, but can you really imagine introducing him to the UN General Assembly? "Ladies and Gentlemen, President Wicket!" How ridiculous. I don't think so. VirtuallyUnknown Duncan Biggs Hunter Darklighter Certainly the candidate with the most dramatic name, unfortunately this veteran congressman and member of the Armed Services Committee hates women and loves the unborn. Also known as "Red Three"; George Lucas doesn't really give us much more to go on, except for a vague homoerotic testimonial offered by Skywalker, who says (huskily) "We're a couple of shooting stars, Biggs, and we'll never be stopped." O rly? Seriously, look it up in the book... it's near the end. Nute Dodd-Gunray Not to be confused with Newt Gunray, who isn't running, Nute Dodd-Gunray is primarily backed by the financial services industry, which he also just happens to regulate as chairman of the Trade Federation. Hmmm. Interesting. Did you know he also dated Carrie Fisher for a while? For realio. She dumped his ass. Obi-ron Paul-obi Widely respected for his stubborn belief that the whole universe should be run just like his neighborhood on the backwater planet Tatooine, Obi-ron spends a lot of time wistfully remembering the Old Republic. He practices a peculiar interpretation of The Force, in which reducing government to only local control and returning to the gold standard is the answer. Obi-ron reluctantly returned the contributions of the Tusken Raiders and Jawas, whose politics of ethnic slaughter and droid slave trade he justifies as "states rights". While his anti-Empire foreign policy excites the Rebel Alliance, it's pretty much a Jedi mind trick. He's still a crazy old guy living in the desert. Le FettLe Fred Boba Fredtt A fearsome enforcer for sale to the highest bidder, there's a reason they kept Boba Fredtt in the background and didn't let him talk for all that time. It turns out that when you give him a microphone and encourage him to take a bigger role, he's actually kind of dim and boring, even with a kick-ass spacesuit. Remember, when he was on Jabba's sand yacht, a temporarily blinded Solo whacked him with a stick, ignited his rocket pack, and sent him hurtling into the mouth of the Sarlacc monster. Hey, if Solo can humiliate him while blinded, do you really want him as your nominee? Embarrassing, right? DoucheBag Tom TanGreedo Meh, TanGreedo was a xenophobic freak who got wiped out early. Don't need to worry about him. Jar Jar Kucinich Nuff said. Okay, really unfair. But remember how the Gungans were sort of these peacenik bumbly guys who sent Jar Jar to represent them in the Republic Government and then he sort of inadvertently started the Clone Wars or something? Kucinich actually admitted to believing in UFOs, man. I mean, everyone believes, but you don't go around admitting it. SeeJoe Threepio See, the funny thing about Cjoe3PO is that he'd probably make a pretty good leader. The Ewoks thought he was a god, remember? He's smart, informed, an excellent protocol droid, but he annoys the crap out of everyone because you can't shut him up. Still, he's been around since Episode I and looks pretty impressive when he gets all shined up. We could do worse. And what would be more kick-ass than Vice President Artoo? A mega-improvement, I'm just sayin' Hillando Clintrissian Here's the thing. The Millenium Falcon was hers to begin with. She only lost it to Bill on a bet. Then she got caught up in that whole Cloud City thing in the Bespin system, which proved she could govern, I guess, but she's kinda hoping you won't remember that she totally sold out the Rebels to Darth Vader. That's how J'han Solo wound up encased in Carbonite and Leia ended up in a bikini on a chain. Hmmm. Actually, not so bad! And Hillando did do some nifty piloting against the New and Improved Death Star. Didn't she also record "Caribbean Queen (No More Love On The Run)"? The thing that scares me is when you talk to her staff, they're like totally dedicated, but kinda scary. Everybody says how Hillando demands their loyalty and efficiency. All we all going to end up being taken over by our Bluetooths? Isn't this getting a little close to Borg territory, which would be a radically different story? Hillando... I just don't know. Well, that pretty much wraps it up from here. Unfortunately, my favorite candidate isn't running. "Do or do not... there is no try." "Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter." "Adventure. Heh. Excitement. Heh. A Jedi craves not these things." "Named must your fear be before banish it you can." Vote. best of craigslist : Star Wars Guide to the Candidates Last edited by Hootad Binky : 26-02-2008 at 03:59 AM.

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26-02-2008, 10:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
Boon Mee Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Today 07:30 AM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12,913	Bill Clinton thinks he's running for Prez! "If you elect me..." Bill Clinton: 'Screw It, I'm Running For President' \| The Onion - America's Finest News Source

23-02-2008, 07:30 AM	#4 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon Jihad Barbie Last Online: Today 04:50 AM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 12,470	For brevity, I'm not going to copy/paste your whole litany of twisted press releases and graphs, Hootad; PS, your charts are out of date. I just read the BC Hydro link which says rates will rise 300%. You posted a graph for US power rates -- where's the Canuck comparison? 1960-2006? Cdn interest rates are strong, which keeps the loonie inflated and makes it tougher for exporters to profit (coz they cannot always raise prices in overseas markets). My letter to the editor included facts from the local govt's press release. Savings & loans -- may I remind you, I said the gov bails them out or the little guys with savings accounts there will lose all they have. So a director takes out a loan for $300K? It's a loan, not a skim. Why do YOU keep deriding the US if cos like Starbuckies are paying employee health care? US prices are cheaper coz they use low-paid illegal immigrant workers? 555 Yep, gee, what about all those Indian farmers and their Mexican workers in BC? 555 It's coz we are taxed to the max, Hootad. Our tax rates are steady? Maybe your income tax rate. What about the higher costs and taxes slapped on companies that they then pass on to us? Japan's benefits. 555 Cannae find Toyota, but I do know most mfgs have shifted their production to cheap overseas plants, like China and Thailand. Here's one quote from a Denso article: Workers at Toyota's main supplier lack health insurance coverage "I thought I'm without health insurance coverage because I'm not a full-time employee. But I feel insecure about working without health insurance coverage," said a woman worker in her 20s working at the Nishio plant of Denso-Corporation in Nishio City, Aichi Prefecture. Denso is Japan's largest supplier of car parts mainly for Toyota Motor Corp. which keeps making more than 1 trillion yen in annual profits. The woman lives in a small dormitory room of about five square meters provided by a firm which has a contract with Denso. She receives about 100,000 yen a month after dormitory and meal costs are deducted. She has neither employee health insurance nor unemployment insurance coverage, or the employee pension plan. Denso neglects its legal obligation to provide health insurance coverage to all workers, including temporary workers or workers on contract who work for two months without interruption. Workers at Toyota's main supplier lack health insurance coverage - GTcars – Car Forum for the Greater Toronto Area Oh, sorry, that's from a blog site. (not any worse than Wiki, IMO) Sounds pretty good, eh, Hootad? Please remember that lots of Japanese, who previously worked their whole lives at ONE firm are being laid off. BTW, I worked in Japan and was covered by their national "healthcare system" for which I paid. I had a slight prob, went to the docs several times, then to the Cancer Institute, where it took three more tests for them to figure I needed my female parts removed. I said FO. Came to Canada and my old fam doc said "bulltwat", did a day surgery and I was off (yes, dear, Hootad, I paid the $5,000 for that surgery all by myself). Tried to claim that cost with my JPN health insurance and they gave me back about $10, saying I could have had it done in Tokyo. 555555555555555 I worked hard to get my education that I paid for (except for a few scholarships for my good grades) and I work dam hard for my money. I reckon I should be able to dispense it to charities, not some govt with hairbrain ideas of what to spend it on. (Oh, I do remember something about the NDP's wonderful high-speed ferries and who can forget their cheap-cheap car insurance plan that all you tree-hugging Canadians scammed?)

26-02-2008, 06:49 AM	#13 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon Jihad Barbie Last Online: Today 04:50 AM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 12,470	^ You really hate America, don't you Hootie? I will chat with our utilities analyst and get a price quote on residential power rates. Toyota -- sure, good pension but they are only hiring in Japan through partial attrition, and please note Toyota and many other Jpn firms have relocated most of their operations to cheap bases overseas, like China. Quotes? Sure, I can quote, but I have a good memory (eg, Hillary's $5 mil waste on consulting -- BG did expand on that and say it was only for January) and I can remember facts (not fabricated notes from leftie papers). I'm starting to suspect that you are one of Canada's garbage police, Hootie -- OK, lady, you put a used tampon in the rubbish bin! No collection for you for two months. Sob. Don't forget, I taught you how to make gravy. You didn't need a quoted source for that now, didya?

27-02-2008, 02:06 PM	#17 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon Jihad Barbie Last Online: Today 04:50 AM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 12,470	Ohio Dem debate vid msnbc.com Video Player

27-02-2008, 04:39 PM	#18 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon Jihad Barbie Last Online: Today 04:50 AM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 12,470	Just watched the Ohio debate. Dismal. Hilde sidestepped every issue again. The best was slipping away from answering where she got the $5mil from her own funds. Declaring it? If I am the nominee. Crock. Obama looked like he was ready to keel over from the mega flu bug; could hardly keep his eyes open and kept lacing his fingers to regain strength. Give him credit, he had good retorts. They do their healthcare schemes and all the docs will run away, like they did in Canada. Sure, healthcare is good, but you have to pay the white coats who probly paid at least half a mil to get their education. Obama slipped into his wife lingo -- gonna, gotta, more sick, more...something, forget. The guy was really ill. More credit to him for handling the whole debate.

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