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Milkman · 20-02-2008, 02:04 PM

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how does this work? would she retain more credibility by dropping out gracefully or is she better off battling to a loss?

As MM says it's up to her to call it quits. Hillary is rapidly moving to the point where the Democratic heavy weights will begin to put heavy pressure on the "Clinton's" to call it quits for the sake of the party. Even the strongest supporters of Hillary have stated publicly that she must win Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania by a large margin (60%) to remain in the race and have any hope of the party power folks continuing to support her. A close race even should she win or a loss in any of these states will be her end.

Norton hit the nail on the head, again.

Delegates are given out proportionally in some states, I forgot which ones and how the structure is.

And the Superdelegates know they cannot honestly go against the voters, and primary and caucus system (although technically they could).

And Superdelegates can also change their endorsement/committment at anytime before they cast them at the convention in August.

This should be a place for Obama with a few delegates.

Norton · 20-02-2008, 02:18 PM

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And Superdelegates can also change their endorsement/committment at anytime before they cast them at the convention in August.

Heard something on the news saying that between Osama and Hillary they have personally donated about $900K in support of super delegate election campaigns. If this is true, Obama is even leading in the "making political friends" category.

Googled and found this. (one of many)

Tulsa World: Pressure building on super delegates

"On Thursday, the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics reported that Obama's political action committee has contributed nearly $700,000 to the campaigns of super delegates in the past three years, and Clinton's has given nearly $200,000."

AntRobertson · 20-02-2008, 02:22 PM

All this campaigning, delegates, Super delegates, primaries... It's all a bit bloody contrived and convoluted innit?

I wish they did a condensed version for people like me with limited attention spans.

Norton · 20-02-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

All this campaigning, delegates, Super delegates, primaries... It's all a bit bloody contrived and convoluted innit? I wish they did a condensed version for people like me with limited attention spans.

Except for us political junkies who can't get enough, I would agree the whole process is a bit much and frankly would be quite boring to less fanatic followers.

Norton · 20-02-2008, 03:03 PM

Just heard Obama wins in Hawaii. 10 in a row!

AntRobertson · 20-02-2008, 03:08 PM

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Except for us political junkies who can't get enough, I would agree the whole process is a bit much and frankly would be quite boring to less fanatic followers.

Yeah don't get me wrong though, it has certainly got its intrigues and interest. I'm just too lazy by far to follow it with the necessacary committment and depth it requires.

Don't blame me, blame my MTV generation attention span!

AntRobertson · 20-02-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Norton

Just heard Obama wins in Hawaii. 10 in a row!

Ok this much I did follow, that was more or less fait accompli wasn't it. Spent most of his high school years there?

ChiangMai noon · 20-02-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Norton

Just heard Obama wins in Hawaii. 10 in a row!

was born there wasn't he?

sure that one was expected.

raycarey · 20-02-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Norton

Just heard Obama wins in Hawaii. 10 in a row!

definitely significant, but i'd recommend keeping an eye on the actual vote totals....i believe obama is up by more than a million votes.

it seems clear that neither side is going to reach the required number of delegates, and the impasse is going to have to be resolved.

look for al gore to step in and make the case for nominating obama based on his winning the popular vote...as you know, he'll be speaking from experience.

Norton · 20-02-2008, 03:47 PM

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Ok this much I did follow, that was more or less fait accompli wasn't it. Spent most of his high school years there?

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was born there wasn't he? sure that one was expected.

Yes fully expected and not important from a delegate standpoint. However if Hillary had won it would have been significant.

Boon Mee · 20-02-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

All this campaigning, delegates, Super delegates, primaries... It's all a bit bloody contrived and convoluted innit?

I wish they did a condensed version for people like me with limited attention spans.

Yes, of course...let's just have a good socialist workers utopian 'committee' set up and forget about the folks desire for 'personal responsibility' eh?

AntRobertson · 20-02-2008, 05:00 PM

^ Any one want to field this one? What the hell's Booners dribbling on about now??

ChiangMai noon · 20-02-2008, 05:02 PM

He is contriving to twist something you said into something you didn't say at all in order to get a rise out of you regarding your liberal stand on most issues.

Boon Mee · 20-02-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

^ Any one want to field this one? What the hell's Booners dribbling on about now??

MTV attention span!

raycarey · 20-02-2008, 05:06 PM

yet another dodge.

Boon Mee · 20-02-2008, 05:12 PM

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yet another dodge.

Y'all should perform in the WWW arena!
Tag team of ray/ant against the evil neocon!

CMN got my back with his post...like the one above...heh

AntRobertson · 20-02-2008, 05:17 PM

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He is contriving to twist something you said into something you didn't say at all in order to get a rise out of you regarding your liberal stand on most issues.

Ahh, so just garden variety Boon Mee dribble then. Cheers.

njdesi · 21-02-2008, 07:38 AM

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The Iraqi Parliament has a long, long way to go. It still must, amongst other things, pass an oil revenue sharing law

The Bush administration is stalling progress due to it's wish to privatize Iraqi oil. The Iraqi people would like to keep their oil in public trust. Bush went to war to spread democracy, right? Why is allowing foreign companies control of Iraq oil such a non negotiable item for the Bush Administration?

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as well as a measure to disarm the various Shiite and Sunni militias still operating throughout Iraq. This will not be easy. But the Iraqis are trying to resolve matters in a civil and democratic manner.

The best way to disarm, of course, is to pay "concerned citizens" (Sunnis that were killing Americans a year ago) $800,000 a day and arming them. After they clear out Al Queda to consolidate their power in the Sunni Triangle, they will then politely hand all of their rifles back to the US and hope the Kurds and Shiites look out for their best interest in the new Iraq.

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...Obama also pledges he will be “a tough negotiator with Syria and Iran, sending a clear message that they need to stop meddling in Iraq’s affairs.” I am sure that Ahmadinejad and Asaad are thinking, “Obama’s going to stop us from meddling in Iraq. Oh yeah, you and what army? Oh, that’s right. There is no army because Obama withdrew it.” Obama might as well send House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to be his envoy for all the good it would do.

If Iran wasn't interfering in Iraq, I would actually support regime change. Because any country stupid enough not to interfere doesn't deserve to go on. If the Chinese invaded Mexico, don't you think the US would be meddling just a bit?!

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But like many liberal Democrats, Obama takes the “blame America” view of the world. “America’s standing has suffered,” said Obama, “Our diplomacy has been compromised by a refusal to talk to people we don’t like.”

Talking to our enemies. Only hippies like Nixon (China) and Reagan (USSR) do shit like that.

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During a speech in Madison, Wisconsin, the night of his Potomac triumph, Obama declared, “John McCain won’t be able to say that I ever supported this war in Iraq, because I opposed it from the beginning.” For that matter, John McCain won’t be able to say that Barack Obama wants to win the war in Iraq either.

We are not in a war. Our conventional army defeated their conventional army. We are fighting an insurgency. An insurgency is a reaction to an OCCUPATION. John McCain wants to continue an occupation of a foreign country and Obama wants to end an occupation of a foreign country.

obsidian · 21-02-2008, 07:53 AM

received an email from a friend about mccain sex scandle breaking in the usa. anyone see evidence this? i cant find a thing. repubs would be up shit creek if this were to happen and stick.

chinthee · 21-02-2008, 07:56 AM

Clinton faces daunting delegate deficit

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By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent 27 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton must win 57 percent of the remaining primary and caucus delegates to erase Barack Obama's lead, a daunting task requiring landslide-sized victories by a struggling presidential candidate.

Clinton faces daunting delegate deficit - Yahoo! News

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20-02-2008, 02:22 PM	#443 (permalink)
AntRobertson Ich Bin Ein Auslander Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 14,463	All this campaigning, delegates, Super delegates, primaries... It's all a bit bloody contrived and convoluted innit? I wish they did a condensed version for people like me with limited attention spans.

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Norton Days Work Done! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Roiet Posts: 13,196	Just heard Obama wins in Hawaii. 10 in a row!

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AntRobertson Ich Bin Ein Auslander Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 14,463	^ Any one want to field this one? What the hell's Booners dribbling on about now??

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ChiangMai noon punk douche bag Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: o dan y bryn Posts: 28,056	He is contriving to twist something you said into something you didn't say at all in order to get a rise out of you regarding your liberal stand on most issues.

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raycarey Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Yesterday 11:27 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: deleting posts in issues Posts: 7,122	yet another dodge.

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obsidian I am in Jail Last Online: 21-01-2009 08:15 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,361	received an email from a friend about mccain sex scandle breaking in the usa. anyone see evidence this? i cant find a thing. repubs would be up shit creek if this were to happen and stick.

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