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Old 19-02-2008, 09:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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^^ I missed that part. Yep, you'd have trouble finding 4% "Outstandings" outside of institutions providing specialist mental health care.
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Old 19-02-2008, 09:43 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Agree - many Americans (including myself) believe that Carter was our worst President, although these past 2 years have replaced that title with our current one.
I was always under the impression that with Carter it wasn't so much that he was bad per se but rather he was a bit 'meh'. A bit of a non-personality/entity sort of thing?
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Old 19-02-2008, 09:47 AM   #3 (permalink)
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^Carter always meant well, he had a big heart. He just wasn't very effective. As a result, I think he still garners lots of good will and fond memories from people.
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^Carter always meant well, he had a big heart. He just wasn't very effective. As a result, I think he still garners lots of good will and fond memories from people.
Bleeeech...*spit*...*spit*

About hunked all over the keyboard after reading that line.

You may not remember or had been employed outside the states when Jimmah was in office but one of the more odious things he did was eliminate the foreign tax credit. For that, he will always be the worst president in living memory...
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Old 19-02-2008, 09:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Tomorrow we'll know the results of the Open Primary in Washington State, which is a beauty contest because no delegates will be awarded. The WA delegates were allocated based on the Caucuses earlier this February.

So, there are actually 2 states today, Feb. 19th:

Hawaii - (D) Caucus worth 20 delegates

Wisconsin - (D) 74 delegates - (R) 37 delegates


Obama and Hillary are very close in the polls in Wisconsin.
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Old 20-02-2008, 10:23 AM   #6 (permalink)
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^Carter always meant well, he had a big heart. He just wasn't very effective. As a result, I think he still garners lots of good will and fond memories from people.
I have personally met Carter, great guy, and yes he has a big heart, a weakness in this world
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I have personally met Carter, great guy, and yes he has a big heart, a weakness in this world
When I was strapping lad of 4, I met Richard Nixon in the dinning room of the Mayflower hotel.
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Old 20-02-2008, 11:03 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Looks like Obama has taken Winsconsin.

His 9th primary on the bounce.

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With 36% of the ballots counted, Mr Obama had 56% of the vote to Mrs Clinton's 43%.

Speaking at a victory rally in Houston, Texas, Mr Obama said: "The change we seek is still months and miles away and we need to get all of Texas to help us get there."
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Old 20-02-2008, 11:18 AM   #9 (permalink)
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WASHINGTON - Barack Obama cruised past a fading Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Wisconsin primary Tuesday night, gaining the upper hand in a Democratic presidential race for the ages.

It was Obama's ninth straight victory over the past three weeks, and left the former first lady in desperate need of a comeback in a race she long commanded as front-runner.
Obama wins Wis. for 9th straight triumph - Yahoo! News
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Old 20-02-2008, 11:28 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Isn't this one of those that Hilary expected to win not so long ago.

White, blue collar types?
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Isn't this one of those that Hilary expected to win not so long ago.

White, blue collar types?
Obama has tapped into Hillary's common base.

White women and working class, and blue-collar whites.

The Hawaii results aren't in yet.

Obama has the Mo' right now.


As for shameless name dropping. Oh dears....I sat at a table and drank with some Congressman and met some Senators at a Republican National Committee Fundraiser in Washington, D.C. in the late 90s. Wow, I got to talk with New Gingrich too, for 8 seconds.
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Old 20-02-2008, 02:06 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Obama has tapped into Hillary ... white women and working class.
I knew it!

I received personal correspondance from Slick Willy and Dubya. I met Clinton in Okinawa during a G-7 there several years ago. I had lunch with SecDef William Cohen in Saudi, I sat next to him and (mistakenly) drank from his water glass. His aide was not amused.
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Old 20-02-2008, 01:16 PM   #13 (permalink)
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As long as we're showing off, I met George Bush Sr. when he was giving a talk to the Asia Society in Hong Kong. I also sat at the table with his son (the one not in politics).

Old Georgy kind of eyed me up and down when I was introduced. I guess it was the silk suit I was wearing. He then looked at his son as if to say "what are you doing with this shyster?"
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you all deserve reds for this shameless name dropping, but butterfly started it so he can get it.
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Isn't this one of those that Hilary expected to win not so long ago. White, blue collar types?
Yep. Seems she is losing support across the board as voters jump on Obama's band wagon. Common trait amongst voters are two fold. They want to be associated with a "winner" and always emotionally like an "under dog".
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ON DEADLINE: Race is Obama's to lose


By RON FOURNIER, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 19 minutes ago


WASHINGTON - The Democratic nomination is now Barack Obama's to lose.



After nine consecutive defeats — including a heartbreaker in tailor-made Wisconsin on Tuesday — Hillary Rodham Clinton can't win the nomination unless Obama makes a major mistake or her allies reveal something damaging about the Illinois senator's background. Don't count her out quite yet, but Wisconsin revealed deep and destructive fractures in the Clinton coalition.


It's panic-button time.

ON DEADLINE: Race is Obama's to lose - Yahoo! News
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how does this work?

would she retain more credibility by dropping out gracefully or is she better off battling to a loss?
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how does this work?

would she retain more credibility by dropping out gracefully or is she better off battling to a loss?
Both Hillary and Obama's delegate count is still close.

And Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are still about 2.5 weeks away.

When to quit is a personal and political decision.

I don't see Hillary giving up. I see her going all the way, until it's not possible.
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^Yes, I agree. She will fight to the end, only going kicking and screaming off the dais at the convention in Denver.

I hope she is rewarded by being ignored by Obama for any position if he wins the general election.
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how does this work? would she retain more credibility by dropping out gracefully or is she better off battling to a loss?
As MM says it's up to her to call it quits. Hillary is rapidly moving to the point where the Democratic heavy weights will begin to put heavy pressure on the "Clinton's" to call it quits for the sake of the party. Even the strongest supporters of Hillary have stated publicly that she must win Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania by a large margin (60%) to remain in the race and have any hope of the party power folks continuing to support her. A close race even should she win or a loss in any of these states will be her end.
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