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raycarey · 23-09-2007, 04:55 PM

as much as attaboy wants to make this thread about him, let's get back on topic.

here's rand on native americans...

Quote:

[they] didn't have any rights to the land and there was no reason for anyone to grant them rights which they had not conceived and were not using.... What was it they were fighting for, if they opposed white men on this continent? For their wish to continue a primitive existence, their "right" to keep part of the earth untouched, unused and not even as property, just keep everybody out so that you will live practically like an animal, or maybe a few caves above it. Any white person who brought the element of civilization had the right to take over this continent.[55]

Ayn Rand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Boon Mee · 23-09-2007, 05:49 PM

^
Can't see any argument there. So what? The native Americans were here first and...?

Boon Mee · 24-01-2009, 08:25 PM

Back on topic...heh, with the impending world-wide Depression upon us, it turns out Atlas Shrugged was not fiction, eh?

Check it out

Boon Mee · 14-02-2009, 09:09 PM

This kid is gonna turn out OK...if government doesn't get in his way:

Stole it from here

blackgang · 14-02-2009, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Unions bleed companies dry and IMO, union workers are some of the laziest gits on earth.

I was a union man all my working life and do believe in them as a way of life and so I think you are a very misguided individual and also full of shit.

Milkman · 15-02-2009, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackgang

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Unions bleed companies dry and IMO, union workers are some of the laziest gits on earth.

I was a union man all my working life and do believe in them as a way of life and so I think you are a very misguided individual and also full of shit.

I agree with blackgang, and Jet, I'm offended, honestly.

I worked with union workers in the past. The worked hard. They also got the shaft sometimes and there was nothing they could do about it.

Without the unions where I worked, these workers would be working just as hard for: 1. less pay 2. little if any benefits and 3. a 401K.

Is it worth it? Not to me.

Rural Surin · 15-02-2009, 06:51 AM

Kinda interesting to observe how instinctively that right-wing suppressive fascists wing-nuts are drawn to this freak, Ayn Rand. Quite the consensus, historically.

Boon Mee · 28-02-2009, 04:00 AM

Atlas Shrugged Sales Are Going Through the Roof

If you were to read only one work of fiction, it should be Atlas Shrugged, in which Ayn Rand foresees the destruction of America by collectivist looters like Obama, and the emergence of a resistance that refuses to be enslaved by Marxist ideology. Encouragingly, sales of the prophetic book are soaring:

Sales of Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" have almost tripled over the first seven weeks of this year compared with sales for the same period in 2008. This continues a strong trend after bookstore sales reached an all-time annual high in 2008 of about 200,000 copies sold.

"Americans are flocking to buy and read 'Atlas Shrugged' because there are uncanny similarities between the plot-line of the book and the events of our day" said Yaron Brook, Executive Director at the Ayn Rand Center for Individual Rights. "Americans are rightfully concerned about the economic crisis and government's increasing intervention and attempts to control the economy. Ayn Rand understood and identified the deeper causes of the crisis we're facing, and she offered, in 'Atlas Shrugged,' a principled and practical solution consistent with American values."

Read it Surin...

Boon Mee · 28-02-2009, 04:59 AM

More here

Rural Surin · 28-02-2009, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Atlas Shrugged Sales Are Going Through the Roof

If you were to read only one work of fiction, it should be Atlas Shrugged, in which Ayn Rand foresees the destruction of America by collectivist looters like Obama, and the emergence of a resistance that refuses to be enslaved by Marxist ideology. Encouragingly, sales of the prophetic book are soaring:

Sales of Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" have almost tripled over the first seven weeks of this year compared with sales for the same period in 2008. This continues a strong trend after bookstore sales reached an all-time annual high in 2008 of about 200,000 copies sold.

"Americans are flocking to buy and read 'Atlas Shrugged' because there are uncanny similarities between the plot-line of the book and the events of our day" said Yaron Brook, Executive Director at the Ayn Rand Center for Individual Rights. "Americans are rightfully concerned about the economic crisis and government's increasing intervention and attempts to control the economy. Ayn Rand understood and identified the deeper causes of the crisis we're facing, and she offered, in 'Atlas Shrugged,' a principled and practical solution consistent with American values."

Read it Surin...

You just assumed I haven't? I can guarantee that I'm far more well read {diversity and variety} than you might be.

blackgang · 14-02-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

The native Americans were here first and...?

OK I go for that, but what are "Native Americans"? it has been proven that American indians are not the first on the NA continent, but that for over 20k years there has been migration from the pacific rim onto the North American continent, so who was first, Kenewick man discovered in 1996 at Kennewick Washington on the bank of the columbia river pre dates the Indian by many thousands of years.

sabang · 28-02-2009, 11:30 AM

Rand's Fountainhead is actually a decent novel. Atlas Shrugged is just a showcase of her plagiarised Nietzschean philosopy, and accoirdingly a second rate novel.

Boon Mee · 01-03-2009, 01:17 AM

Well, in any event, folks are flocking to read Atlas Shrugged as there are uncanny similarities between the plot-line of the book and the events of our day...

Milkman · 02-04-2009, 10:46 PM

Will the movie follow the book? They usually take some elements and ommit others. Hard to move from book to screen play. Because of these times and with the bailout, it's interesting that many Americans are starting to read Ayn Raynd's "Atlas Shrugged."

Some posters above (thanks) have mention other books by her, such as "Fountainhead."

"Atlas Shrugged" is on the Amazon top seller list at the moment.

Quote:

With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

By Steven Zeitchik

Hollywood could soon be going Objectivist.
After decades in development hell, Ayn Rand’s capitalism-minded “Atlas Shrugged” is taking new steps toward the big screen — with one of the film world’s most prominent money men potentially at its center.
Ryan Kavanaugh’s Relativity Media is circling the Baldwin Entertainment project and could come aboard to finance with Lionsgate, which got involved several years ago.

Rand’s popular but polarizing book — it’s derided by many literary critics but has a huge public following — tells the story of Dagny Taggart, a railroad executive trying to keep her corporation competitive in the face of what she perceives as a lack of innovation and individual responsibility.
A number of stars have expressed serious interest in playing the lead role of Taggart. Angelina Jolie previously had been reported as a candidate to play the strong female character, but the list is growing and now includes Charlize Theron, Julia Roberts and Anne Hathaway.
Although it was written a half-century ago, producers say that the book’s themes of individualism resonate in the era of Obama, government bailouts and stimulus packages -- making this the perfect moment to bring the 1,100-page novel to the big screen.

“This couldn’t be more timely,” said Karen Baldwin, who along with husband Howard is producing, with film industry consultant John Logigian advising on the project. “It’s uncanny what Rand was able to predict — about the only things she didn’t anticipate are cell phones and the Internet.” Baldwin may be on to something -- love it or hate it, "Shrugged" is seeing a resurgence, with book sales spiking as debates rage in Washington and around the country about the government's role in a faltering free-market economy.

The author’s final novel offers an embattled railroad company as a metaphor for a society that Taggart (and Rand) sees as succumbing to socialism at the expense of individual creativity. Its backbone is a 50-page speech by the mysterious but major character John Galt in which he lays out the Rand principles of Objectivism, which argues for an aggressive free market and against government activism. Let's just say it's probably not on the president's nightstand.

With all the long speeches and with plot points often a Trojan Horse for Rand's ideas, it's not an easy writing or directing gig, but producers believe they've got the man who could do it. Randall Wallace, the writer on other crisis-era, politically themed works such as “Braveheart” and “Pearl Harbor,” has written the latest draft of the screenplay and is also interested in coming on to direct.(He would follow in the steps of "House of Sand and Fog" director Vadim Perelman, who had been attached to direct and fell off; we like Perelman, but would have been quite the transition for him.)

The project would likely land in the $50 million-budget range but could go higher depending on talent.

Producers are looking to shoot next year, driven in part by the timeliness, as well as by a clause in the option. A high net-worth individual with whom the Baldwins have partnered controls the option, but that option would revert to the Rand estate if production doesn't begin by the end of 2010.
An “Atlas Shrugged” movie has gone through endless development fits and starts. Faye Dunaway and Clint Eastwood had been attached to earlier versions -- if that doesn't give you an idea of how far back it goes, we don't know what will -- but with both Rand and the Rand estate very particular about how the story was handled, those iterations didn’t get traction.

This decade, Howard Baldwin and Philip Anschutz were on board to produce at their Crusader Entertainment banner, but that effort didn't take flight. The Baldwins took the project with them when the “Ray” producers split from Anschutz several years ago and pacted with the high net-worth figure, who is said to especially like the timeliness of the book's message.

Producers also say that while Relativity and Lionsgate are in the pole position to
finance and distribute, other studio and financier suitors could yet materialize.
Still, Karen Baldwin praised Lionsgate and Michael Burns, who has championed the project at the studio, and also said Kavanaugh would be an appropriate partner. “The subject of the book would seem to fit with the kind of people who are willing to step up and take big chances," she said.

The Rand involvement on earlier versions -- along with the verbiage-heavy sections -- is probably why there hasn't been a Rand project on the big screen in 60 years, not since Gary Cooper played Howard Roark in Warner Bros.' "The Fountainhead." With some big-time entrepeneurs potentially coming board, there now may be a lot less shrugging and a lot more shooting.

Link: The Hollywood Reporter: Risky Biz Blog: With 'Atlas Shrugged,' Hollywood may have its first anti-bailout movie

Boon Mee · 06-04-2009, 10:26 PM

Heh...check out that Atlas Shrugged book is still moving up in the Amazon rankings.

Milkman · 06-04-2009, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Heh...check out that Atlas Shrugged book is still moving up in the Amazon rankings.

Yeah, Boon.

The hypocrites and the functionally illiterate that are finally reading this book never read it before.

Says a lot.

Takeovers · 07-04-2009, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Well, in any event, folks are flocking to read Atlas Shrugged as there are uncanny similarities between the plot-line of the book and the events of our day...

I read the book when I was 18 and it made a big impression on me. But the faults were too glaring obvious to ignore them.

The present crisis is the result of free entrepreneurship gone mad without checks and balances. So the thesis of Atlas shrugged is proven wrong.

The "uncanny similarities between the plot-line of the book and the events of our day" ( I assume you mean the actions of the Obama administration) are only a result of that failure.

raycarey · 07-04-2009, 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takeovers

The present crisis is the result of free entrepreneurship gone mad without checks and balances. So the thesis of Atlas shrugged is proven wrong.

exactly.

Norton · 07-04-2009, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milkman

The hypocrites and the functionally illiterate that are finally reading this book never read it before.

This version is a hot seller.

Milkman · 02-05-2009, 03:17 PM

Here's a 1959 Ayn Rand interview with Mike Wallace:

Part 1:

YouTube - Ayn Rand Mike Wallace Interview 1959 part 1

Part 2:

YouTube - Ayn Rand Mike Wallace Interview 1959 part 2

Part 3:

YouTube - Ayn Rand Mike Wallace Interview 1959 part 3

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Boon Mee Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Yesterday 07:26 AM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12,927	Atlas Shrugged Sales Are Going Through the Roof If you were to read only one work of fiction, it should be Atlas Shrugged, in which Ayn Rand foresees the destruction of America by collectivist looters like Obama, and the emergence of a resistance that refuses to be enslaved by Marxist ideology. Encouragingly, sales of the prophetic book are soaring: Sales of Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" have almost tripled over the first seven weeks of this year compared with sales for the same period in 2008. This continues a strong trend after bookstore sales reached an all-time annual high in 2008 of about 200,000 copies sold. "Americans are flocking to buy and read 'Atlas Shrugged' because there are uncanny similarities between the plot-line of the book and the events of our day" said Yaron Brook, Executive Director at the Ayn Rand Center for Individual Rights. "Americans are rightfully concerned about the economic crisis and government's increasing intervention and attempts to control the economy. Ayn Rand understood and identified the deeper causes of the crisis we're facing, and she offered, in 'Atlas Shrugged,' a principled and practical solution consistent with American values." Read it Surin... __________________ ผมเป็นคนบ้านนอก

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23-09-2007, 05:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
Boon Mee Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Yesterday 07:26 AM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12,927	^ Can't see any argument there. So what? The native Americans were here first and...?

24-01-2009, 08:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
Boon Mee Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Yesterday 07:26 AM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12,927	Back on topic...heh, with the impending world-wide Depression upon us, it turns out Atlas Shrugged was not fiction, eh? Check it out

14-02-2009, 09:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
Boon Mee Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Yesterday 07:26 AM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12,927	This kid is gonna turn out OK...if government doesn't get in his way: Stole it from here

15-02-2009, 06:51 AM	#7 (permalink)
Rural Surin rough around the edges Last Online: Yesterday 09:22 PM Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Portland, OR & Kwao Noi, Surin Posts: 12,843	Kinda interesting to observe how instinctively that right-wing suppressive fascists wing-nuts are drawn to this freak, Ayn Rand. Quite the consensus, historically.

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Boon Mee Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Yesterday 07:26 AM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12,927	More here

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sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Yesterday 08:23 PM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: where the streets have no name Posts: 11,574	Rand's Fountainhead is actually a decent novel. Atlas Shrugged is just a showcase of her plagiarised Nietzschean philosopy, and accoirdingly a second rate novel.

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