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Milkman · 25-03-2007, 01:13 AM

Brief background: Pat Tillman turned down a multi-million dollar NFL contract to go defend, support, the U.S. after the 9/11 attacks.

The military used him in life and death and a major propaganda tool. The public was notified often.

Now, we learn more details of the cover up of his death.

But he was well-known.

I wonder how many others this has happened too? Meaning, how many other deaths were not the result of the "official military" findings.

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fficers reportedly to be cited in friendly-fire death of Ranger, ex-NFL star

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Pat Tillman, photographed in Puyallup, Wash., on June

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Updated: 7:28 p.m. PT March 23, 2007

WASHINGTON - A Pentagon investigation will recommend that nine officers, including up to four generals, be held accountable for missteps in the aftermath of the friendly fire death of Army Ranger Pat Tillman in Afghanistan, senior defense officials said Friday.
The Defense Department inspector general will cite a range of errors and inappropriate conduct as the military probed the former football star’s death on the battlefront in 2004, said one defense official.
The official, who like the others requested anonymity because the Army has not publicly released the information, said it appears senior military leaders may not have had all the facts or worked hard enough to get the facts of what happened on April 22, 2004, when Tillman, a corporal, was killed by members of his own platoon.

Entire & Link: Officials: 9 to be held to account on Tillman - Military Affairs - MSNBC.com

blackgang · 25-03-2007, 07:06 AM

Damn thats the shits ain't it, But no matter what happens, he is dead and nothing anyone can do will ever bring him back, or change it in any way.

Storekeeper · 25-03-2007, 08:18 AM

Ancient history. This fine young man ... warrior and patriot knew the potential risks of friendly fire in a war. Unless you want me to believe a graduate of the University of Arizona was stupid. Or was it Arizona State ?

insult deleted - ST

raycarey · 26-03-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Ancient history.

i wonder if his parents consider it ancient history.

but as i'm sure you're aware sailorboy, that's not the point......why did the military LIE about how he died?

Storekeeper · 03-04-2007, 02:02 AM

I'm glad the military lied ... better his parents believe he died honorably in battle than be put through the grief of their song being used by the commie pinko liberals as a propoganda tool.

This whole thing just makes Tillman look like a stupid fool for enlisting when a university graduate should have went in as a commissioned officer. Guess his macho bit him in the ass.

YellowTrip · 03-04-2007, 02:06 AM

It really shows what morons are running the show in the US military.

This poor guy who was a true patriot died for nothing, and that is the saddest part of the story.

Milkman · 03-04-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Storekeeper

I'm glad the military lied ... better his parents believe he died honorably in battle than be put through the grief of their song being used by the commie pinko liberals as a propoganda tool.

I don't think there hardly any commies in the U.S. anymore.

I don't think liberals have written anything about Afghanistan, or the Tillman incident.

stroller · 03-04-2007, 10:16 AM

"Truth is the first casualty of war"

And, btw, SK doesn't know what he's talking about, the lies added to the grief of the parents:

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“We’ve always believed that the White House knew that Pat was killed by friendly fire. It’s just a matter of trying to prove it,” Mary Tillman told KCBS radio on Saturday.
...
The president “essentially has covered up a crime in order to promote the war,” said Mary Tillman. “Frankly the idea that Rumsfeld and the president did not know that Pat was killed by friendly fire is ludicrous.”

Pat Tillman's Mother Accuses Bush of Hiding Facts

Shame on Bush and military officers who use the event and lie for political purposes.
Trying to pin this on the "liberals" is backfiring very badly, SK, shame on you!

raycarey · 03-04-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Storekeeper

This whole thing just makes Tillman look like a stupid fool for enlisting when a university graduate should have went in as a commissioned officer. Guess his macho bit him in the ass.

tillman was recognized by SK and others as a national hero who gave up a multi-million dollar NFL contract to fight 'the threat' against america......and now that the lie of how he died has been exposed, tillman's a 'stupid fool' and his alleged machismo is to blame for his death.

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Originally Posted by stroller

And, btw, SK doesn't know what he's talking about

why should anyone be surprised by this....all he knows is what the military told/tells him to believe.

pathetic.

Milkman · 04-04-2007, 06:51 PM

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"It became very obvious early on that they were lying to us," Mary Tillman said on ESPN Radio's "Dan Patrick Show.

Everyone involved in the shooting knew almost immediately that her son had been shot three times in the head by his own troops, she said.

Yet, at the memorial service for her son in May 2004, the military said Pat Tillman had been killed by enemy fire, she said.

"That was not a misstep, that was not an error," she said. "This was an attempt to dupe the public and to promote this war and to get recruitments up, and that is immoral."

Mary Tillman said she was not excluding the possibility that her son was shot intentionally.

"Pat was used," she said. "Once he was killed, I think they saw this as an opportunity." She noted that April 2004 was the worst month up to that time in the year-old Iraq war, and the shooting occurred right after the Abu Ghraib scandal broke.

Entire & Link:
Tillman's mom to ESPN: 'They were lying to us' - CNN.com

shazbut · 04-04-2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

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Originally Posted by Storekeeper

This whole thing just makes Tillman look like a stupid fool for enlisting when a university graduate should have went in as a commissioned officer. Guess his macho bit him in the ass.

tillman was recognized by SK and others as a national hero who gave up a multi-million dollar NFL contract to fight 'the threat' against america......and now that the lie of how he died has been exposed, tillman's a 'stupid fool' and his alleged machismo is to blame for his death.

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Originally Posted by stroller

And, btw, SK doesn't know what he's talking about

why should anyone be surprised by this....all he knows is what the military told/tells him to believe.

pathetic.

If this is true,it would make storekeeper a complete tosser.....

I wonder why he returned here?

Milkman · 06-04-2007, 01:18 AM

Well, I'm not sure about SK. But he was on shore duty during the whole Iraq war. He was Gung-ho, but didn't even know that Al-Sadr had 5 cabinet positions in the Al-Maliki government. SK had also never heard of the PNAC until I told him to google it. Here's an article for SK. Reminds me of Tillman.

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DUNBAR, Pa. — Blinded and disabled on the 54th day of the war in Iraq, Sam Ross returned home to a rousing parade that outdid anything this small, depressed Appalachian town had ever seen. “Sam’s parade put Dunbar on the map,” his grandfather said

hat was then.Now Mr. Ross, 24, faces charges of attempted homicide, assault and arson in the burning of a family trailer in February. Nobody in the trailer was hurt, but Mr. Ross fought the assistant fire chief who reported to the scene, and later threatened a state trooper with his prosthetic leg, which was taken away from him, according to the police.
The police locked up Mr. Ross in the Fayette County prison. In his cell, he tried to hang himself with a sheet. After he was cut down, Mr. Ross was committed to a state psychiatric hospital, where, he said in a recent interview there, he is finally getting — and accepting — the help he needs, having spiraled downward in the years since the welcoming fanfare faded.

“I came home a hero, and now I’m a bum,” Mr. Ross, whose full name is Salvatore Ross Jr., said.
The story of Sam Ross has the makings of a ballad, with its heart-rending arc from hardscrabble childhood to decorated war hero to hardscrabble adulthood. His effort to create a future for himself by enlisting in the Army exploded in the desert during a munitions disposal operation in Baghdad. He was 20.

Entire & Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/05/us...hp&oref=slogin

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man with no head · 06-04-2007, 10:24 PM

It's easy to be a pencil pusher and support a war you are unwilling to fight for. Those are the worst kinds of 'patriots.'

There's a word that begins with 'h' that eludes me.....

raycarey · 11-04-2007, 02:41 AM

later this month congress is going to investigate the lies about pat tillman's death and jessica lynch's 'rescue'.

Boon Mee · 11-04-2007, 07:18 PM

^^
In 'Nam, we used to call 'em REMF's
btw - Al Gore was one...

man with no head · 11-04-2007, 07:24 PM

Who said I support/like Al Gore?

Milkman · 21-04-2007, 11:36 AM

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Updated: 1:13 p.m. PT April 20, 2007

SAN FRANCISCO - Within hours of Pat Tillman's death, the Army went into information-lockdown mode, cutting off phone and Internet connections at a base in Afghanistan, posting guards on a wounded platoon mate, and ordering a sergeant to burn Tillman's uniform.

Entire: Army blocked info after Tillmanâ€™s death - Military Affairs - MSNBC.com

mad_dog · 21-04-2007, 02:53 PM

There are around 200,000 homeless war veterans in the US. "The good guys" don't give a shit about the cannon fodder.

National Coalition for Homeless Veterans - Background & Statistics

raycarey · 21-04-2007, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

In 'Nam, we used to call 'em REMF's

we, huh? it seems that's what real military called those sitting on submarines.

Milkman · 21-04-2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

In 'Nam, we used to call 'em REMF's

we, huh? it seems that's what real military called those sitting on submarines.

REMFs are "Rear Echelon Motherf*ckers."

Meaning, they were paper-pushers, dong administrative jobs in air-conditioned offices, or even just changing tires of jeeps on a base.

In Vietnam, 7/8 of all military personnel were REMFs.

1/8 saw combat.

I know and respect people that were in LRRPs (google LRRPS) and other special op. forces.

But what I will call B.S. on, is a REMF talking "tough."

Paper-pusher, who pretends to have "sacrificed," when they were actually a lost teenager who enlisted because the felt like getting out of their hometown, knowing statistically, they would never even get a scratch.

Same as 'Nam; same as Iraq.

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Storekeeper Because I said so. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Pattaya Posts: 4,920	Ancient history. This fine young man ... warrior and patriot knew the potential risks of friendly fire in a war. Unless you want me to believe a graduate of the University of Arizona was stupid. Or was it Arizona State ? insult deleted - ST Last edited by stroller : 25-03-2007 at 11:14 AM.

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Storekeeper Because I said so. Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Pattaya Posts: 4,920	I'm glad the military lied ... better his parents believe he died honorably in battle than be put through the grief of their song being used by the commie pinko liberals as a propoganda tool. This whole thing just makes Tillman look like a stupid fool for enlisting when a university graduate should have went in as a commissioned officer. Guess his macho bit him in the ass. __________________ "England forever; the USA one day longer" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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