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blackgang

What are you worrying about, you have said that you do not pay into SSA so none of the money is yours and you have no call to be raising hell about it.

You are as bad as Ray Carey, you guys is going to have a stroke worrying about things that do not concern you if you have no dog in the fight.

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Milkman

I think you've missed my point, and my question at the top of the post.

I'm curious as to how the US government masks the deficit from SS.

Also, I'll be returning to the US to work in the future and will be obligated to participate and pay into FICA, by law.

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blackgang

seems to be because of the way they do things and so I guess no one knows the truth, but like your taxes, They take it and piss most of it off and do no good with it, but you give it to them so they will take it and want more.
And I see no difference with your payments into SSA, except that they are accredited to you and they say that they will give em back when you are old enough, if you live that long..but if you die then it is really not a worry to you or them.
So you worrying about it will change nothing except maybe your blood pressure and might cause a stroke, So with politicians handling your money anything might happen, but it will most likely not be to your advantage, just like the debt, and other ways they throw your money away,
Best to just work, pay what they ask and don't worry, they have you lined up for a fucking,, so why go back there anyway if you do not believe in the system??

Milkman

[quote=blackgang;577658]That is defeatism.

And I won't be defeated.

And I won't pay for you're bum, either.

blackgang

Oh yes you will, on all counts except I have paid in my own, in fact I worked and paid in for years after I had already paid in the max and was qualified to draw max years before I ever drew any.

Altho I do not see where it bothers you, I also paid in to Union pensions that I draw more money from than SSA and it didn't take as many years or hours to top those up as it did SSA but was a hell of a lot more money per hour worked tho.

You do not pay any so what makes you think that you are carrying anyone, and when you do go back you will not have to make up the years/dollars that you didn't pay by working/living in a communist country either.

Milkman

VN isn't communist. It hasn't been since 1986.

Here is David Walker, who recently resigned at the GAO, which is the number 1 accounting job in America. He just joined an education organization:

blackgang

Sure, China ain't either..

Milkman

No, China isn't. My friends live there, and have lived there.

The "Communist party" in VN and China is in name only.

It's propaganda. The same form of propaganda as in the US and other nations.

You don't live in VN.

You don't know anything about this country - and also Social Security.

I notice how didn't respond to my youtube with Dave M. Walker, but chose to focus on the "commies."


Nice try, bud.

blackgang

OK, seems you do not know so much either..Just because you live in Nam and your friends live in China does not make the not communist countrys..

Economist.com | Country Briefings: Vietnam

History in brief
Mar 29th 2004
From Economist.com
The area now known as Vietnam emerged as ethnically distinct around 200 BC, though from 111 BC to 939 AD it was under Chinese rule. This period saw the establishment of considerable Chinese cultural influence, but the Vietnamese resisted full assimilation, and local uprisings during the decline of the T’ang dynasty led to the restoration of Vietnamese independence in 939. By the early 11th century, the country was unified, and although Chinese and Mongol armies made incursions, subsequent Vietnamese dynasties endured and gradually extended their domain south into the Mekong Delta. By 1757 Saigon and most of the southern regions of today’s Vietnam had been incorporated.
The expansion, however, made it difficult to maintain the central control, learned from the Chinese, that characterized the Vietnamese state, and by the early 17th century the country was divided under two ruling families. The country was reunified only in 1802, when Nguyen Anh took power with the assistance of a French missionary, opening the path for a French presence in Vietnam. Though Anh’s successor tried to expunge that presence by executing French missionaries, this backfired: France invaded in 1858. By 1893 France occupied all of Vietnam, as well as Cambodia and Laos, which they consolidated into a single territory known as Indochina.
The French presence did not spur economic or political development. Most non-menial jobs in the bureaucracy were filled with imported French officials, who managed Indochina as a source of raw materials for French factories and a captive market for French goods. Nationalist movements proliferated, and in 1925 Ho Chi Minh founded the predecessor to the Indochinese Communist Party. During the second world war, when Vietnam became a Japanese possession administered by the Vichy French, Ho established a communist-nationalist alliance known as the Viet Minh, which cooperated with the Allies. Soon after Japan was defeated, he proclaimed Vietnam a republic with its capital at Hanoi. When the French tried to reassert their colonial power fighting broke out that lasted until May 1954. A Viet Minh victory at Dien Bien Phu forced the dispirited French to agree to a split of Vietnam into two parts along the 17th parallel: North Vietnam, a Communist state led by Ho, and South Vietnam, a French-backed republic.
After partition the north continued to support communist insurgents in the south. The United States established a military advisory presence in an attempt to contain communism in South-East Asia. This role began to escalate after 1960, and in 1965 America began bombing the north and sending troops to the south. But with mounting casualties and no end in sight, the American public turned against the war, and under Richard Nixon the superpower scaled back its commitment. He removed the last of American troops by 1973, and in 1975 the south fell. The country was officially reunited in June 1976 and remains a communist, one-party state, though in recent years there have been some moves towards economic liberalisation and somewhat improved personal freedoms.

Is China a communist country?
In: Politics and Policy

Answer
Yes, but they're having trouble making pure communism work, so they're trying a little free-enterprise mixed in.

Milkman

^ It's pretty sad you have to go back in history to talk about TODAY.

As you may know I am 100% anti-Commie. And I don't like Socialists either.

VN is the most capitalistic countries I have ever lived in. Easy to start a business out of your home. You usually don't even file paperwork.

I got a business B3 visa without proving I even had a job.

Taxes? I've never paid them.

You have got it wrong.

Yes, the past is the past. But today is today.

It's easier here than in Thailand. More rights; more legal avenues.

I'd do business in VN in many different industries than Thailand.

And people are starting to understand that.


Read more, and travel more, BG...before you make assumptions.

Milkman

P.S.

Your CUT AND PASTE is outdated by 30 years.

blackgang

4 Years is HISTORY ?



So what has changed, when I lived in Saigon in 1970 I lived with a couple of girls that ran a business out of their home. No paperwork and no taxes..



So whats the big deal about that,, Jesus Christ, it is easier in Cuba or China than it is in Thailand, so whats your point?

Maybe you better get off them mind altering drugs and get a in touch with reality.

Milkman

You've reinforced my point. Thank you.



blackgang:
It's not easier in Cuba. Not at all. Cuba is still very regulated and restricted.

I don't do drugs.


Now, back to the topic of SS. What is your opinion on that Youtube of David M. Walker above.

blackgang

Damn I misunderstood you then,,,Here is a conv. between you and DJ.


But I guess along with Viet Nam and China not being communist, you also think that Valium is not a drug??
What about Alcohol, is that not a drug too??

you are a strange fellow..

Milkman

Again, you're oversimplifying, and also mistaken.

The political structure of 'Nam does have a Pime Minister, a Central Committee, and Politburo. This is the political structure. Based on Leninism.

The economy is capitalist.

There is also no socialism here. In Ed., medical, housing etc.

No communism here: no collectivization of agriculture, e.g.

As I stated, on rare occasion I take 7.5 MG of Valium, and yes I do drink beer 3-4 days per week.

So, I erred in my statement.

How about getting back to Social Security? Check out the Youtube, even though you're avoiding Youtube.

blackgang

OK, due to the fact that you must get a lot of your arguements from Utube and such places, is there anything else that I should watch while I am there getting the straight stuff about the future of the world and about which countrys are communist and which are just voodoo.
I really want the straight skinny now and not some nuts own personal opinion of whats going on just because it matches with that you have got when behind a bunch of beer and drugs.

OH yea,

Milkman

^ But remember BG, I am not talking about you at all when it comes to Social Security.

It's the Boomers who started collected on January 1, 2008, this year. 78 million more to follow.

You're not one of them.

blackgang

Well they might have a plan, I do not know, it was an alright deal when i was paying it in every week, well some years depending on the times, I woul