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    It is not the cost of med care in the US that is making it unafordable, but the cost of ins. for both doctors and hospitals for the cost of mal prectise claims, and ins. co. charge so much that it is passed on to patients,,
    Ins co. profit margines have went from a reasonable 30% margin to over 400% in my lifetime, same as auto ins. has went out of site since auto ins was made manditory and then everyone seems to be against NO FAULT, where you insure yourself and so does the other guy and if you do not want ins, you do not have to have it, and if you fuck up it is your business.
    That is the reason that all ins companys are again and change,, AIA is one of such companys but still they got a very large bailout and how could they have been in much trouble with the profit margines they make,
    Must have kept 2 sets of books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat
    But misery loves company and I can only imagine that's why you non-Americans are so emotionally involved in this issue.
    I think you'll find that all of us non-amerkins [edit- ermm, except Jet] are quite happy with our national health care systems- certainly happy we have one. Even though I have 'opted out' by choosing to live here, at least I know I can always return to it, if needs be.
    As for amerkins, well-
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    A decent health-care system is affordable. The public option is essential. And 76 percent of the American people want it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    The US system works very well for the majority.
    If you have a decent job, you have decent insurance and everything is very cheap and readily available.
    Well that's patently untrue - the system is failing.

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    Very true, In my experience. I don't know a single person without insurance.
    Any reform will make their lives worse, but benefit the degenerates and crackheads.

    FACT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    Very true, In my experience. I don't know a single person without insurance.
    Any reform will make their lives worse, but benefit the degenerates and crackheads.

    FACT.
    Having insurance doesn't mean a thing, particularly in light of insurance Co.'s operating on a profit/loss basis.

    I'm sure that many people who 'had insurance' learnt this the hard way when it came time to claim and the difference between being insured and being covered became all too apparent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat
    I don't know a single person without insurance.
    Erm, right. Ex military and covered by the worlds largest government health scheme- VA.
    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat
    Any reform will make their lives worse, but benefit the degenerates and crackheads.
    I doubt it is the degenerates that are shouldering the burden of the 17% of GDP you pay for incomplete Healthcare. Doubt that will change either.
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    I'm sure that many people who 'had insurance' learnt this the hard way
    Yep- 68% of all US personal bankruptcies are contributed to by medical expenses.

    You may be 'allright' Tex, and so may your mates. But your system is a shambles.

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    I'm talking about friends and family living in the US -- nobody military.
    They ALL have insurance. They're ALL satisfied with it. They don't want it to change. And I have a large family.

    Having said that -- looking over their bills (which their insurance pays) the fees are outrageous, ie the $1,200 ambulance ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    I'm talking about friends and family living in the US -- nobody military.
    They ALL have insurance. They're ALL satisfied with it. They don't want it to change. And I have a large family.
    Well however large your family is clearly it's not large enough to make much a a difference to sabang's quoted 76% of Americans that want reform.

    Bet there's some large families in there too.

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    One of my wives had a tubular pregnancy and had to have an emergency op at the local hospital in Antioc Calif where we were dredging at the time and it was covered by IUOE ins.
    The hospital gave me a bill for $5.800, I also got a letter from my union that said they had paid the hospital $2.300 and the bill was paid in full and to disregard the hospitals billing.

    So thats what is really going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    The US system works very well for the majority.
    If you have a decent job, you have decent insurance and everything is very cheap and readily available.
    Well that's patently untrue - the system is failing.
    The system is indeed failing.

    It's the rising costs and the inability to contain these rising costs. Employers-employees are getting squeezed. Medicare. Pharmaceuticals.

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    555 So, if the system is so lousy, as the non-American (ex-Jettie) crowd proclaims, why are all these folks (sorry, the libbies call them -- mobs, Nazis, un-American) crowding town halls and protesting?
    Yes, the country needs tort reform so docs and hospitals are not sued at every turn.
    Sure, some insurance reform might help.
    But hey, my Mom, who is now 110 (well, you guys think I'm old), has had many medical probs lately. (This is Canada.) Called to see the doc last week, but he "hadn't made up his schedule for the week." WTF? A trip to ER, then a doc appt in late Sept. She never complains, but I can tell in her voice that she is not well. Then I have an auntie (112), who has never been sick a day in her life but recently learned she has macular degeneration. She gets monthly eye injections, but has to pay $400 or so each time. Free healthcare, folks.
    And no, if me or mine was in severe pain, I would not wait in line. However, the ERs and even the clinics (like where I went for blood tests) have big signs noting that verbal or physical abuse of workers will not be tolerated and that police will be called to arrest the offender. Gee, I wonder why they need signs like that when the medical care is "free" and so wonderful and everyone is a tree hugger.

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    As has been pointed out, the protesters do not belong to the overwhelming majority of Americans that support health care reform.

    It seems that now the 'Libbies' have been mobilised- or got their collective backs up, and outside these town hall meetings you have both right & left wing protesters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    As has been pointed out, the protesters do not belong to the overwhelming majority of Americans that support health care reform.

    It seems that now the 'Libbies' have been mobilised- or got thie collective backs up, and outside these town hall meetings you have both right & left wing protesters.
    The overwhelming majority? You looked at the polls recently, SB?
    And have you noticed that the lefties all have pre-packaged signs (oh, mebbe they buy them at the gate), while most of the "mob" have hand-made ones? Translation: who is the mob.

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    Heh...not even a planted question gets a straight answer from BO. She asked, "How do kids know what is true?" Dear Leader responded by droning on tediously about the glories of government control.

    Even the Boston Globe admits:
    Julia's mother was an early Obama supporter and donor in Massachusetts during the presidential election, so she had previously met First Lady Michelle Obama, the Obama daughters Sasha and Malia, and Vice President Joe Biden.
    Julia's mother is Kathleen Manning Hall. Here we see the moonbat mother with Julia, and with Comrade Obama:





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    Best video demonstrating who will make your health care decisions should the dreaded “public option” aka single payer aka Government Run Health Care become a reality:


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    ^I think it says a lot that the anti-reform crowd are using cartoons in their propaganda campaigns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    ^I think it says a lot that the anti-reform crowd are using cartoons in their propaganda campaigns.
    And it says even more that they use swastikas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robuzo View Post
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    ^I think it says a lot that the anti-reform crowd are using cartoons in their propaganda campaigns.
    And it says even more that they use swastikas.
    True. Most of it's just laughable - as with that unitentionally hilarious cartoon above - but that's just downright offensive.

    And when you've got guys like Rush Limbaugh drawing the comparison it all gets a bit Alanis '10,000 spoons' Morrisette Ironic too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robuzo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    ^I think it says a lot that the anti-reform crowd are using cartoons in their propaganda campaigns.
    And it says even more that they use swastikas.
    Those horrid Republican mobs...



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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    ^I think it says a lot that the anti-reform crowd are using cartoons in their propaganda campaigns.
    And it says even more that they use swastikas.
    True. Most of it's just laughable - as with that unitentionally hilarious cartoon above - but that's just downright offensive.

    And when you've got guys like Rush Limbaugh drawing the comparison it all gets a bit Alanis '10,000 spoons' Morrisette Ironic too.
    Cartoons and swastikas . . . how incredibly mature . . . but that is understandable considering the intended audience . . . some of whom are right here among us, and they lap it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
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    ^I think it says a lot that the anti-reform crowd are using cartoons in their propaganda campaigns.
    And it says even more that they use swastikas.
    Those horrid Republican mobs...


    This was at a town hall meeting held by a congresscritter or the president, was it, Snakey? Is it even the States?

    And let me ask you this- did it help their cause? Persuade anyone? Or by breaking Godwin's Law, did they manage to make asses of themselves and alienate people who might have been willing to listen? If the people in this photo shouldn't be taken seriously- why should they?- why should the right-wing mob violently disrupting town hall meetings and the debate about healthcare/insurance reform be taken seriously (other than as a violent threat), and more importantly, why does the Republican Party either refuse to denounce them or, in the odd instance where a Republican has complained, does so in the most lukewarm terms?

    There is no comparison between a few anarchist freaks like the ones in your photo and a concerted attempt by the Republican Party to whip up the mob to derail a national conversation about a very real healthcare crisis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robuzo View Post
    This was at a town hall meeting held by a congresscritter or the president, was it, Snakey? Is it even the States?

    And let me ask you this- did it help their cause? Persuade anyone? Or by breaking Godwin's Law, did they manage to make asses of themselves and alienate people who might have been willing to listen? If the people in this photo shouldn't be taken seriously- why should they?- why should the right-wing mob violently disrupting town hall meetings and the debate about healthcare/insurance reform be taken seriously (other than as a violent threat), and more importantly, why does the Republican Party either refuse to denounce them or, in the odd instance where a Republican has complained, does so in the most lukewarm terms?

    There is no comparison between a few anarchist freaks like the ones in your photo and a concerted attempt by the Republican Party to whip up the mob to derail a national conversation about a very real healthcare crisis.
    Check it out, the cool, intelligent libbie is resorting to personal insults. We'll upgrade you to reach around status if you keep it up, robo.

    That photo was from the Bush years. You can check it on the net. The GOP is not whipping up a mob. The left continues to bus in ACORN folks and even got a young girl to ask the PRESIDENT why mean people were holding signs outside their town hall meeting. Oh, gee, and she is the daughter of a libbie group leader, knows Michelle and the two royal kids. And she just happened to be asked a Q by Obama. Imagine that!





    Lemmee add this, coz that's what I think will happen with Obama's healthcare prog :


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    Yes, it was all very different when mobs were frothing at the mouth at bush.

    Those were red-blooded, hardworking Americans!

    The hypocrisy is hilarious.

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    the overwhelming majority of americans want health care reform, and obama campaigned on bringing it to the american people.

    even if the republicans continue to play the role of obstructionists, it will still pass (with a public option) via reconciliation.

    if republicans hadn't spent the last 6 years or so proving they weren't fit to govern (iraq, katrina, the economy, etc...), perhaps they'd have a real seat at the table....but they don't.

    too bad for them....and good for the average american.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robuzo View Post
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    ^I think it says a lot that the anti-reform crowd are using cartoons in their propaganda campaigns.
    And it says even more that they use swastikas.
    Heh...another dupe for the socialist cause. Them folks who was using them swastikas were Democrat plants at Town Hall meetings. Do try to keep up with current events, eh?

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