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Old 19-02-2007, 04:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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John McCain
Here's a happy thread dedicated to Sen. John McCain.


What are your thoughts and opinions?


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Old 19-02-2007, 06:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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McCain caved in and allowed Bush to continue to kidnap, torture, and hold suspects.

A person with these morals cannot be trusted as President.
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Old 19-02-2007, 08:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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yeah, who wants campaign finance reform?
Do you like your 527's?

If so you can thank McCain-Feingold!
IMHO it created a bigger mess than it solved.
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Old 19-02-2007, 10:17 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Good points, folks.

Yes, as a former NRA member, I noticed McCain's positions on the subject.

And, it's obvious that he's trying to woo the Evangelical Xtians, who comprise close to 30% of the base of the GOP, by his Abortion and Constituion comments.

You need these Xtians to win if you're GOP.

The sad part is, I don't think McCain really feels this way (on abortion.)

He's no spring chicken (age) and his straw polling in his home state of AZ hasn't been favorable.

His support of the fake troop "surge" in Iraq may link him to W. Bush.

I agree with Ray (and Mr. Earl) that he had his chance in 2000 and got slammed (unfairly).

He won't be the GOP nomimee, IMO.
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he had his chance in 2000, but got smeared in s. carolina by bush's people, and his campaign went right off the rails. since then, the 'straight talk' is long gone, and he waffles amost as much as romney.
I agree with you on all points of your post. Carl Rove must have pictures of McCain having carnal knowledge with a goat somewhere, because McCain's loyalty to Bush is puzzling. The Bush operatives apparently spread a rumor during the South Carolina primary that McCain fathered an illegitimate black child. For what it's worth, I don't think McCain will survive past the first primary, he has no core beliefs. And as you pointed out, his love for Jesus is not comprehensive enough for the religious kooks.
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he had his chance in 2000, but got smeared in s. carolina by bush's people, and his campaign went right off the rails. since then, the 'straight talk' is long gone, and he waffles amost as much as romney.
I agree with you on all points of your post. Carl Rove must have pictures of McCain having carnal knowledge with a goat somewhere, because McCain's loyalty to Bush is puzzling. The Bush operatives apparently spread a rumor during the South Carolina primary that McCain fathered an illegitimate black child. For what it's worth, I don't think McCain will survive past the first primary, he has no core beliefs. And as you pointed out, his love for Jesus is not comprehensive enough for the religious kooks.
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This has been proven as a FACT.

This is called "push-polling."

A person calls the home of a person in a district and/or state where there is an election coming up.

The caller identifies themselves as a pollster to this registered voter.


The caller then asks a hypothetical question.

to paraphrase:

"would you vote for John McCain is he had a racially mixed child from an affair?"

That's all they ask.

And this references is to the daughter of Bangladeshi descent that McCain adopted years before.

Pretty sick. Pretty sad. But true.

And....did the media report this?


Heck, no.
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Old 20-02-2007, 02:15 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Unless he's somehow drummed up some serious corporate backers, he's got no chance.
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^ Agree.
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The Bush operatives apparently spread a rumor during the South Carolina primary that McCain fathered an illegitimate black child.

Funny he doesn't look black!
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"McCain blasts Rumsfeld for Iraq war missteps"

McCain blames Rumsfeld for missteps - Politics - MSNBC.com

Uh, hello, isn't Bush the CiC? If there's blame for the war going badly the blame lies with Bush.

McCain can't even blame the right person for this disaster.
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The Bush operatives apparently spread a rumor during the South Carolina primary that McCain fathered an illegitimate black child.

Funny he doesn't look black!
Yeah, it's a reference to his adopted daughter from Bangladesh.
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If there's blame for the war going badly the blame lies with Bush. McCain can't even blame the right person for this disaster.
rummy was reponsible for the 'plan', so he bears responsibility for its failure...especially not having enough troops on the ground back in 2003. bush does share in some of the blame...particularly for running for an office he wasn't qualified to hold.
Classic knee jerk thinking.
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If there's blame for the war going badly the blame lies with Bush. McCain can't even blame the right person for this disaster.
rummy was reponsible for the 'plan', so he bears responsibility for its failure...especially not having enough troops on the ground back in 2003. bush does share in some of the blame...particularly for running for an office he wasn't qualified to hold.
There were many people involved in the Iraq debacle: Paul Wolfawitz, Rumsfeld, Tommy Franks, Doug Feith, W. Bush, Cheney, and a list of others.

When a leader is not secure and knowledgeable, he can more easily be lead and influenced.
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There were many people involved in the Iraq debacle:
but it was rummy who was hell-bent on leaving his mark' on the military by reducing its size. he used iraq as a petri dish, and got his (and america's) ass kicked.
Yes,

He wanted a smaller, faster, technological force.

This was to be the "new military model."


A lot of blame does fairly lie with Rumsfeld.
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Just a paste from the other thread in this section:

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“Americans are very frustrated, and they have every right to be. We’ve wasted a lot of our most precious treasure, which is American lives.”
McCain says he regrets Iraq comment - John McCain News - MSNBC.com
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i posted it in the other thread, because some jumped all over obama for saying the same thing.

IMO their lives were wasted.
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McCain may have had some nasty things done to his backside while stayin at the Hanoi Hilton , can't have a president like that.
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McCain may have had some nasty things done to his backside while stayin at the Hanoi Hilton , can't have a president like that.
And he may had done some things too.....Give....receive....ya know.


I doubt he learned the language in his 5 years at that hotel.
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John Mcain Warns Against Socialism .

He's been pretty far down on my list as possible candidates for the White House but if he does grow a set I might reconsider.
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