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Milkman · 21-01-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

the + side

.....and it influences my outlook and imagination on what is possible. many old timers like FF are stuck in a 60s and 70s mindset when it comes to race. it's understandable in some ways, but at the same time they've become part of the problem.

Ray, when it comes to these posts in this thread, you and I read the exact same post but have a completely different interpretation.

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many people who are closer to 20 than i am are even more progressive on the topic of race. and while many of them may not have voted in the past, the possibility of being drafted will motivate 20 somethings to the polls.

What percentage of these 20-somethings vote? In the last election turnout among this cohort (age group) was higher than usual. But as a whole this age group comprises a low percentage of the over all voting population.

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consider again what FF is proposing....the man should drop out the presidential race in jan. 2007 because of his middle name and religion. how is that good for the country?

I am proposing this also. Yes, he should stay out of the race because of his race, middle name, step-dad's religion, and because of his inexperience.

This is the Hillary vs. whoever, show.

Good for the country? I don't know. Probably not.

raycarey · 23-01-2007, 08:45 AM

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Allegations that Sen. Barack Obama was educated in a radical Muslim school known as a "madrassa" are not accurate, according to CNN reporting.Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam.
Obama lived in Indonesia as a child, from 1967 to 1971, with his mother and step-father and has acknowledged attending a Muslim school, but an aide said it was not a madrassa.
Insight attributed the information in its article to an unnamed source, who said it was discovered by "researchers connected to Senator Clinton." A spokesman for Clinton, who is also weighing a White House bid, denied that the campaign was the source of the Obama claim.
He called the story "an obvious right-wing hit job."
Insight stood by its story in a response posted on its Web site Monday afternoon.
The Insight article was cited several times Friday on Fox News

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"It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school."
The Obama aide described Fox News' broadcasting of the Insight story "appallingly irresponsible."
Fox News executive Bill Shine told CNN "Reliable Sources" anchor Howard Kurtz that some of the network's hosts were simply expressing their opinions and repeatedly cited Insight as the source of the allegations.

CNN debunks false report about Obama - CNN.com

Boon Mee · 23-01-2007, 08:48 AM

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CNN debunks false report about Obama - CNN.com

It's sewed some doubts, that's for sure...

stroller · 23-01-2007, 09:17 AM

No trick is too cheap for the "right-wing hit" media.

lom · 23-01-2007, 09:58 AM

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he spent two years in a Muslim school and another two years in a Catholic school

Very dodgy, one can wonder if the catholics tought him at that young age how to fiddle with kiddies.

Boon Mee · 23-01-2007, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by stroller

No trick is too cheap for the "right-wing hit" media.

It weren't the right wing hit squad (VRWC) this time.
The 'dirt' on Obama came from the Hildebeast's camp...

stroller · 23-01-2007, 10:24 AM

^
...or so the hit squad claims.

raycarey · 05-02-2007, 08:55 PM

obama in october 2002...five months before george bush and the republicans started their war.

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“ I know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military is a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.“

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.”

MTP Transcript for Feb. 4, 2007 - Meet the Press, online at MSNBC - MSNBC.com

but let's focus on his middle name....and the lies about how he went to jihadist high school

raycarey · 11-02-2007, 05:39 PM

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SPRINGFIELD, Ill., Feb. 10 — Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, standing before the Old State Capitol where Abraham Lincoln began his political career, announced his candidacy for the White House on Saturday by presenting himself as an agent of generational change who could transform a government hobbled by cynicism, petty corruption and “a smallness of our politics.”
“The time for that politics is over,” Mr. Obama said. “It is through. It’s time to turn the page.”
Wearing an overcoat but gloveless on a frigid morning, Mr. Obama invoked a speech Lincoln gave here in 1858 condemning slavery — “a house divided against itself cannot stand” — as he started his campaign to become the nation’s first black president.
Speaking smoothly and comfortably, Mr. Obama offered a generational call to arms, portraying his campaign less as a candidacy and more as a movement. “Each and every time, a new generation has risen up and done what’s needed to be done,” he said. “Today we are called once more, and it is time for our generation to answer that call.”

Obama Formally Enters Presidential Race - New York Times

what's his middle name again?

Boon Mee · 12-02-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

what's his middle name again?

Appeasier?

Butterfly · 12-02-2007, 05:35 PM

I think the Iranians and AQ are Bush appeasers. If they were really serious about their cause, they would bomb the shit out of the US with those special ops. But apparently they can't. Bunch of appeasers, I tell you.

Boon Mee · 13-02-2007, 01:00 PM

Does Obama really believe this kind of message is going to work with Americans? He's sounding more like a bad Daily Kos post every day.
Obama: 3000 Lives of Americans...Wasted!

400,000 lives wasted in WW11
650,000 lives wasted in the Civil War

Link

Boon Mee · 13-02-2007, 03:51 PM

It is intended the Obama crash & burn. He is part of the Clinton machine, not an opponent. He is there to draw fire from the 'Pantsuit' and provide another platform from which Dubya and the Republicans can be attacked.

Obama is an empty suit...

raycarey · 13-02-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Obama: 3000 Lives of Americans...Wasted!

400,000 lives wasted in WW11 650,000 lives wasted in the Civil War

obama said this?

or is boonie just being disingenuous....again?

Boon Mee · 13-02-2007, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Obama: 3000 Lives of Americans...Wasted!

400,000 lives wasted in WW11 650,000 lives wasted in the Civil War

obama said this?

or is boonie just being disingenuous....again?

He said it...disingenuous, I've never been.

mad_dog · 13-02-2007, 06:43 PM

Obama has at least got style and panash... He could be a refeshing chnage from that gash-head Bush

raycarey · 13-02-2007, 06:57 PM

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He said it...disingenuous, I've never been

c'mon now boonie......obama said that 400,000 lives were wasted in WWII?

stroller · 13-02-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

disingenuous, I've never been.

If I had to chose one word to describe your comments, "disingenuous" would be a good choice.

Mr Earl · 13-02-2007, 07:48 PM

He did say the 3000 lives lost in iraq were wasted. OOPS!

raycarey · 13-02-2007, 08:01 PM

earl, you still don't get it.

their lives were wasted....and most american's agree with obama.

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23-01-2007, 09:17 AM	#44 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 09-09-2009 07:24 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,164	No trick is too cheap for the "right-wing hit" media.

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stroller Kraut Last Online: 09-09-2009 07:24 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,164	^ ...or so the hit squad claims.

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Butterfly Suspended Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 16,897	I think the Iranians and AQ are Bush appeasers. If they were really serious about their cause, they would bomb the shit out of the US with those special ops. But apparently they can't. Bunch of appeasers, I tell you.

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Boon Mee Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Today 07:30 AM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12,913	It is intended the Obama crash & burn. He is part of the Clinton machine, not an opponent. He is there to draw fire from the 'Pantsuit' and provide another platform from which Dubya and the Republicans can be attacked. Obama is an empty suit...

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raycarey ........ Last Online: Today 11:24 AM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: deleting posts in issues Posts: 6,673	earl, you still don't get it. their lives were wasted....and most american's agree with obama.

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