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stroller

Judging from your past posts, your intend is to smear "Hildebeast's" reputation, as well as that of an American ex-president.
Your primary 'debating' tools are making false or unsubstantiated claims and linking to highly biased commentary.
Note that unlike your "Bearpit", we aim at a more serious quality forum here.

Oh, and socialised healthcare is not what characterises "commies", nor Marxists.

Milkman

Raycarey:

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Many are. But not enough.

Frisco Frankie has made brilliant posts in this thread.

The Dems should dump Barak Obama. The sooner the better.

Many voters throughout the purple (tightly contested) states will not for for Barak Obama.

Boon Mee

No, it is simply a failed enterprise.
Not to get into the long waits for care that exist in Canada, UK etc., the free marketplace works better.

raycarey

brilliant? seems like thinly veiled racism to me.

he's saying that obama should quit the race (regardless of his ideas and character) because of his color, religion, and middle name (!!)....and even though ff is falling all over himself to assure us that he personally doesn't share these sentiments, IMO what he's advocating is despicable. i have no doubt that there were plenty of 'enlightened' whites in the south during the 50s and 60s that said the same things about civil rights. "now's not the right time" they most certainly said.

btw, i don't think obama will get the nomination because he is relatively inexperienced. however, if gore, edwards, or clinton pick him for VP, it won't hurt the ticket IMO.

MM do you think that ANY republican has a legitimate chance of winning in '08? there's still two more years of body bags and scandal investigations to get through. it's going to be bloody...both figuratively and literally.


mccain is actually trying to put more troops in iraq (too little and waaay too late)....and the religious nuts that have a strangle hold on the republican party won't support him. ditto for guiliani (sp). romney or brownback? please. rockefeller republicans have had enough of these bible thumpers.

in fact, it could easily be argued that the republican party is so ideologically fractured and in such disarray that is will splinter into two separate parties by 2012.

the only chance the republicans have of winning the white house in '08 is if there is a major gaffe by the dem in sept or oct.

stroller

^^ Booner:
Thanks, I note that you have not negated anything I said in my post.

raycarey

and again....why would obama even consider going to a third party?

i'd be interested to read someone try and explain that.

Boon Mee

Pedantic or what?
The Bearpit is history and you're still sore you got run out of there multiple times due to your poor debating skills. John L. used to wipe the floor with you (still does over in AI Jane from what I hear when you're not on suspension).
The Hildebeast is self-imploding with or without my help so that's a moot point and if y'all don't particularly care for some of the links I've posted in the past, it's probably due to your overwhelming left-liberal bias - like blinkers on a horse - don't want to consider other viewpoints. Mai pen rai...

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stroller

Nominating Obama, for example?

Milkman

I don't see any signs of racism or racist attitudes in FF's post at all.

What he is saying is common sense. Common political sense.

I do not think people should base their vote for or against someone because of their: race, name, etc.

But many people in America do.

Yes, people are changing their attitudes. But many Americans will not punch the ticket for a Black man names Barak Hussein Obama, who's stepfather was a radical Muslim in the past.

Maybe Obama will get some non-white non-Protestant young people to get more interested in politics, and show up at the polls to vote.

But Obama already pushing the White Independent voters over to the GOP, side.


The Dems should distance themselves from Obama, and dump him as soon as they can, and carefully as they can.

The GOP is liking the attention being focused on Obama.

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stroller

I was referring to my post #21.

raycarey

what is this based on?

friscofrankie

More misdirection and counter-productive rhetoric. you do little to help and much to alienate thso fence sitters and middle of the road types.

What irritates me most about your posting and rhetorical style; you appear to support many (not all) of the changes and attitudes I do, yet your rhetoric and impractical positions do more harm to a cause than help. Please go over to the other side.

Instead of trying to make some radical point, look to what is achievable and focus energies in that direction. The country will be the better for it. revolutionary chages rarely come about and a truly dedicated advocate must try to achieve was is attainable and realize, change takes time.

The last 6 - 7 years has done much to reverse much of the progress made in US politics, civil liberties and rights over the last 40 years. Sadly, we need to step back and try to regain much of what has been lost. SO argure the point what should be but if you want to put our country back on a track to normalcy pushing and unelectable black Muslim ain't gonna do it. The GOP is lovin' it.

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raycarey

the big problem with middle of the road types is that they stand in the way of progress....particularly on issues like equality and justice.


how old are you FF?

closer to 20 or 60?

stroller

...and which side of 20 are you on, ray?

raycarey

the + side .....and it influences my outlook and imagination on what is possible. many old timers like FF are stuck in a 60s and 70s mindset when it comes to race. it's understandable in some ways, but at the same time they've become part of the problem.

many people who are closer to 20 than i am are even more progressive on the topic of race. and while many of them may not have voted in the past, the possibility of being drafted will motivate 20 somethings to the polls.

consider again what FF is proposing....the man should drop out the presidential race in jan. 2007 because of his middle name and religion. how is that good for the country?

blackgang

Well Carey baby, what do you say now, Obama fucked up things so bad already that Hilderbeast has thrown her hat in the ring, she knows she can beat him. 555,, hell my sister could beat him.
American ain't ready for a muslim, Black , Orange or Brown,, Not all muslims are terrorists I know, but 99% of the terrorists are a muslim tho. So ya gotta figure it.

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raycarey

you clearly have no idea what you're writing about. nice try.

Boon Mee

The Republican dream ticket is the Hildebeast and Obama as VP.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

friscofrankie

Jesus H christ. I'm sick of being nice the fuickin guy is is giving the GOP just what they need. In a time when fear of anything Muslim is at an all time high he's got a name that rhymes with Hussein. Fuckin A right or wrong the American people on a whole(or any nationality for that matter) are not intelligent enough to get past that. Silly I know, but public acceptance is a fickle thing.

Get it through your fucking skull; this man playing his cards to the end is the GOP's last, only chance at retaining the White House. The man gave one iota about this fucking country he'd admit this is not the time to play a racial/religious gambit.

People like me are the problem? people like YOU are the problem. This country is afraid of anything Muslim, throw black in the mix and you got all kinds o motherfuckers running to vote against him no matter he is a great man, or not!

My country, YOUR country is in some sort of neo-fascist tailspin that may just throw us into a world war that could see the EU throwing in with the all the other anti american sentiment around the world. We are no longer the good guys man, this is not a proud time for america.

It would be nice to turn it all around and say we did with a black Muslim at the helm BUT IT CANNOT HAPPEN IN TODAYS CLIMATE!! so eat your pride, your left wing hoity toity "what is right" attitude and ask you self, "is a GOP President best for america?" because sure as shit, this dude pushes it to the end it si what you will get. Do I wish it weren't an issue? you fuckin A man. Thing is, it is.

Instead of trying to solve one problem do you want to interject yet another one?

Hopefully he is just trying top get a few of his own planks in the platform, and will withdraw to come back and fight the good fight another day.

America is dying, my friend, and this man (even if he is the best man for the job) cannot save it. if he is smart, if he truly cares, he will force some of his own influence on the direction the Dems will take in the election and step down. Hopefully this is what he is trying to achieve.

On the ticket, he will kill us sure as as shit. Hell, I might even vote for him, but the reality of the situation is he will not be elected. Folks like me are not the problem anyone seriously putting him forth is. Give the man his moment in the sun, let him put something serious down for a foundation and future policy (that ol' give and take system of government) and step down. Our country needs a change in government. If he pushes this too far, it will not happen.

The first balck man in office is going to be a foreign educated muslime? you really thin he can get elected???? he is Mr. OIL's last, great hope.

blackgang

Well said ff, but RC ain't got the sense to see what you are saying.
He is just so Liberal that his head is up his ass so far that he can't see past the hair ring.