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attaboy · 11-02-2007, 12:31 PM

The top dawgs testify on tape. That's one of the perks of being really important.

raycarey · 11-02-2007, 05:20 PM

^
the evasion continues (not much of a surprise though).

raycarey · 12-02-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

The case is very weak. Carl Rove is laughing his ass off how badly the dems fell for this turkey.

really?

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The drama being played out in a Washington courtroom goes back in time to the early summer of 2003. The Bush administration was struggling to overcome growing evidence the mission in Iraq was anything but accomplished.

The claim about weapons of mass destruction that was used to justify the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003 had not been supported. Insurgent attacks were on the rise. Accusations were growing that the White House had distorted intelligence to rationalize the invasion.

Trial testimony so far — including eight hours of Libby's own audio-recordedd testimony to a grand jury in 2004 — suggest that a White House known as disciplined was anything but that.
What has emerged, instead, is:

_a vice president fixated on finding ways to debunk a former diplomat's claims that Bush misled the U.S. people in going to war and his suggestion Cheney might have played a role in suppressing contrary intelligence.

_a presidential press secretary kept in the dark on Iraq policy.

_top White House officials meeting daily to discuss the diplomat, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, and sometimes even his CIA officer wife Valerie Plame.

Libby is accused of lying to the FBI nd the grand jury about his talks with reporters concerning Plame.

Libby trial sheds light on White House - Yahoo! News

laughing his ass off earl?

Butterfly · 12-02-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

a vice president fixated on finding ways to debunk a former diplomat's claims that Bush misled the U.S. people in going to war and his suggestion Cheney might have played a role in suppressing contrary intelligence.

Well at least Cheney knows his priorities

Is there a traitor in the WH ? more than one apparently

Boon Mee · 12-02-2007, 05:45 PM

Well, the concept that absolute power corrupts absolutely is very evident when it comes to prosecutors. Like with the Duke Rape case, this is an absolute sham. So Libby may be convicted for lying about something he didn't do. Fitzgerald knew that Richard Armitage leaked the information and yet he continued to investigate. Why? His job was to find the person who leaked the information about Valerie Plame, not to catch someone, anyone in a lie. It would be one thing if Libby was engaging in a cover-up for Armitage, but that's not the case.

So why prosecute Libby?

raycarey · 12-02-2007, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

So why prosecute Libby?

because he lied to the FBI.

Boon Mee · 12-02-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

So why prosecute Libby?

because he lied to the FBI.

Well, following that logic, the Senate should have approved the removal of Bubba too...

raycarey · 12-02-2007, 07:25 PM

perhaps.

but clinton ( a married man) lied about getting a blow job from an intern.

libby's lie was about when he decided to start blabbing to the press about the identity of a CIA agent during a time of war.

Boon Mee · 12-02-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

perhaps.

but clinton ( a married man) lied about getting a blow job from an intern.

libby's lie was about when he decided to start blabbing to the press about the identity of a CIA agent during a time of war.

OK...but who blabbed first?
Why not go after Armitage?

Mr Earl · 12-02-2007, 07:47 PM

And let's not forget that Valerie Plame's identity as a CIA operative wasn't classified which makes the entire issue moot.
The assumption of her so-called covert status is just that: an assumption.
So if her identity was already known it makes the whole Fitzgerald indictment completely spurious.

raycarey · 12-02-2007, 09:41 PM

it will be interesting to see if cheney will be able to muster-up the courage to testify this week.

or will he have other priorities at the time?

Milkman · 12-02-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

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Originally Posted by raycarey

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

So why prosecute Libby?

because he lied to the FBI.

Well, following that logic, the Senate should have approved the removal of Bubba too...

Did Clinton lie to the FBI?

Boon Mee · 12-02-2007, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Milkman

Did Clinton lie to the FBI?

Believe he lied to just about everybody but most importantly to Congress.
That carries more 'weight' than just lying to the FBI...

Milkman · 12-02-2007, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

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Originally Posted by Milkman

Did Clinton lie to the FBI?

Believe he lied to just about everybody but most importantly to Congress.
That carries more 'weight' than just lying to the FBI...

Seriously,

The Libby case is different than the Clinton, case legally.

I am pretty sure of this (although I've forgotten some of the old details).

Boon Mee · 13-02-2007, 10:22 PM

That pffft you hear is the sound of air going out of the Scooter Libby trial...

Link

raycarey · 13-02-2007, 10:53 PM

boonie, you linked to a media column which highlighted a blog written by a woman who writes movie screenplays.

here's an amusing update on what happened yesterday...(fyi, this columnist has a history of pointing out the absurdity of this administration and especially cheney.)

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Libby must believe himself to be in desperate legal straits to have six journalists serve as his character witnesses. And, indeed, the reporters' testimony appeared to do little to dent the prosecution's case that the former chief of staff to Vice President Cheney eagerly shared CIA officer Valerie Plame's name with reporters and then said otherwise under oath. But Libby's team did establish that the defendant wasn't the only administration official dishing about Plame.

The leadoff witness, The Post's Walter Pincus, testified that then-White House press secretary Ari Fleischer told him about Plame's identity -- directly contradicting Fleischer's sworn testimony.

Next, Woodward testified that then-Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage told him about Plame.

Novak fingered top Bush strategist Karl Rove as well as Armitage.

Combine that with earlier testimony that Fleischer and Libby each leaked to two other reporters, and it seems possible prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald would have had an easier time finding out who in the administration didn't leak Plame's identity.

washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines

hey earl, is rove still laughing?

raycarey · 14-02-2007, 04:11 PM

libby and his former boss don't have the courage to take the stand.

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One likely factor in that calculation is that putting Mr. Libby on the stand would expose him to a cross-examination by Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the chief prosecutor, that could be withering. Mr. Fitzgerald complained that the defense had engaged in a “bait and switch” tactic by keeping Mr. Libby off the stand after repeatedly suggesting that he would testify.

Mr. Cheney’s testimony, which was much anticipated, would have set a precedent as the first appearance of a sitting vice president as a witness at a criminal trial. It was also expected to bolster a major part of Mr. Libby’s defense: that he was so consumed by the crush of high-stakes issues like global terrorism and Iraq that he might not have remembered all the details of his conversations.

But the trial threw up numerous instances in which Mr. Cheney took a personal role in managing the White House response to accusations from Joseph C. Wilson IV, a prominent critic of the Iraq war, that the evidence for going to war had been knowingly overstated. Mr. Cheney could have been exposed during cross-examination to uncomfortable questions about his close involvement in trying to undermine Mr. Wilson’s criticisms.

NY Times Advertisement
i don't know why that links comes up as 'advertisement', but it links to the story.

Boon Mee · 14-02-2007, 08:09 PM

HeH...

Cheney won't testify in Libby perjury trial

Butterfly · 14-02-2007, 08:38 PM

^ a coward always stay a coward, well you should know

12-02-2007, 05:45 PM	#85 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: Yesterday 06:47 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,820	Well, the concept that absolute power corrupts absolutely is very evident when it comes to prosecutors. Like with the Duke Rape case, this is an absolute sham. So Libby may be convicted for lying about something he didn't do. Fitzgerald knew that Richard Armitage leaked the information and yet he continued to investigate. Why? His job was to find the person who leaked the information about Valerie Plame, not to catch someone, anyone in a lie. It would be one thing if Libby was engaging in a cover-up for Armitage, but that's not the case. So why prosecute Libby? __________________ ผมเป็นคนบ้านนอก

11-02-2007, 12:31 PM	#81 (permalink)
attaboy Elite Member Last Online: Today 09:57 AM Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,423	The top dawgs testify on tape. That's one of the perks of being really important.

11-02-2007, 05:20 PM	#82 (permalink)
raycarey texpat's sexual obsession Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: deleting posts in issues Posts: 5,550	^ the evasion continues (not much of a surprise though).

12-02-2007, 07:25 PM	#88 (permalink)
raycarey texpat's sexual obsession Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: deleting posts in issues Posts: 5,550	perhaps. but clinton ( a married man) lied about getting a blow job from an intern. libby's lie was about when he decided to start blabbing to the press about the identity of a CIA agent during a time of war.

12-02-2007, 07:47 PM	#90 (permalink)
Mr Earl The Grand Wazoo Last Online: Today 08:40 AM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ranong Posts: 4,919	And let's not forget that Valerie Plame's identity as a CIA operative wasn't classified which makes the entire issue moot. The assumption of her so-called covert status is just that: an assumption. So if her identity was already known it makes the whole Fitzgerald indictment completely spurious.

12-02-2007, 09:41 PM	#91 (permalink)
raycarey texpat's sexual obsession Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: deleting posts in issues Posts: 5,550	it will be interesting to see if cheney will be able to muster-up the courage to testify this week. or will he have other priorities at the time?

13-02-2007, 10:22 PM	#95 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: Yesterday 06:47 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,820	That pffft you hear is the sound of air going out of the Scooter Libby trial... Link

14-02-2007, 08:09 PM	#98 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: Yesterday 06:47 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,820	HeH... Cheney won't testify in Libby perjury trial

14-02-2007, 08:38 PM	#99 (permalink)
Butterfly Suspended Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,843	^ a coward always stay a coward, well you should know