Beautiful Lancashire

[Mathos]

There are many old towns, villages and hamlets in the country that were once bustling with life and activity but due to changes in the modern world they have been left far behind, only to fall into states of disrepair and neglect in general.

The properties have usually been snapped up for a song and many cleverly modernised and re-sold as ultra special desirable residences by 'clever developers'

We came across a building in Trawden Lancashire which I thought was unique in many ways including its location.




The Herders Inn.




I was captivated in many ways by the stonework, the main construction of the building, albeit completely disregarding the two poorly built extensions to the same.




I thought the pub would have a whole lot of history attached to it, to my mind it seemed a pity that it was being left to go to ruin in this manner.




I visualised the same taken back to its original structure and then being totally re-furbished, it would really make an outstanding property.

[Mathos]

So, I noticed a new development going on at the rear of the 'Old and abandoned Inn' which gave me cause for concern but the same was fenced off with no signs of very recent activity.

A few inquiries locally and I learned that the 'Old inn' was being demolished to make way for two new homes.

That saddened me.

Not that I wanted to live there, but I would have really liked to have bought the pub and totally refurbished the same, prior to selling it one.

I found the host of information below on the INTERNET regarding the area in general perhaps Happyman will take an interest in this area?


I'll post this information for general reading though. I certainly found it interesting.

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A Brief History of Trawden


Although not mentioned in the Doomsday book, Trawden was a hunting forest and therefore would not need to be listed as it was already part of the King's land. It has probably been inhabited since prehistoric times by small groups of people.
The first documented mention of Trawden is of coal being mined at Cathole Clough in 1296.

It is made up of three districts, Trawden, Winewall and Wycoller.
Up to 1506 it was a hunting Forest, with vaccaries for rearing oxen. There were five of these, two in Trawden, two in Wycoller and one in Winewall.
After this date clearings were made for cultivation of farm land and the village as we know it began to take shape.

Part of an old map of Trawden

The oldest part of Trawden is Colne Road and the area known as Chelsea, now demolished.
The main road to Colne ran up Colne Road and over the Mirage. The "New Road" from the bottom of Rock Lane to Colne was built in 1870.

At first Trawden was made up of many small hamlets. These included Stunstead, Wanless, Oaken Bank and Carry Heys, now part of Colne. As the industrial Revolution took place more houses were needed for the workers in the cotton mills and the gaps between the hamlets were gradually filled in.

The main industries were handloom weaving and farming.
At one time there were over one hundred farms in Trawden now there is only a handful.
Most of the cotton Mills have also gone. The last remaining in use was Hollin Hall Mill, used as a sewing centre by Empress Mills Ltd., Who have now removed to Colne.

Old Trawden Hall

Trawden Hall was built in approx. 1540. For nearly four hundred years it was the home of the Foulds family. There have been three houses on the site. The latest was built in 1900 by John Hopkinson who was a mill owner.

A postcard of Wycoller Hall posted 2nd November 1910

Wycoller Hall was built between 1550 -1560. The last inhabitant was Henry Owen Cunl;iffe who died in 1818. It is said to have been the inspiration for Charlotte Bronte's Ferndean Manor in her book "Jane Eyre".

Wycoller was a hamlet of handloom weavers. With the coming of the cotton mills the population declined.

In the early 1950's the Friends of Wycoller formed to tidy up the hall which was in a very poor state. By the 1960's only one cottage was occupied in the village.
In the 1970's Lancashire County Council took over and Wycoller Country Park was formed.

Religion in Trawden

Trawden Church was built in 1846 on land given by James Pilling Foulds of Trawden Hall. It was built from local stone taken from the quarries at Rock Lane and named Saint Mary's in honour of Mary Foulds of Trawden Hall.

The clock was erected in 1889, the Jubilee Year of Queen Victoria, at a cost of £60 plus £10 for erection. It was originally made for a church tower in Yorkshire.
The first Vicar of Trawden was Rev. Thomas Craven Humphrey, M.A. who died in Trawden in 1875.


Before the 'old' vicarage was built in 1857 the vicar lived at Carry Bridge, which was at that time part of Trawden, and walked to church from there along a flagged path which can still be seen today.

Canon Hugh Paul Dempsey

The best known and longest serving Vicar was Canon Dempsey who came to Trawden in 1908 and stayed until his death in 1949. He was noted for always wearing clogs and always carried sweets for the village children. He is buried in Saint Mary's churchyard

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Wesleyan Methodist Chapel

The Wesleyan Methodist Chapel was built on land called Jumb given by William Midgley of Stunstead in 1805. It was enlarged in1850 and again in 1890. It was demolished in 1951 and the Sunday School used as a chapel until 1975 when it closed. The site of the original chapel is now occupied by Chapel House.
The Chapel across the road was used as a school, which opened in January 1873, until the new School up Dean Street was opened in 1910.

The chimney on the photograph is that of Forest Shed Mill.

The Primitive Methodist Church
The Sunday School

The Primitive Methodists began in Trawden by holding services in a room under the corner shop on Chapel Street, now demolished. By 1835 they had opened a chapel with burial ground attached on the site of Pave Shed Mill. In 1875 a new chapel was opened across the road at a cosr of £1181 7s 5d and later a Sunday school in 1889 costing £1149 3s 9p.

Sir William Pickles Hartley gave generously to the Primitive Methodists. In 1890 he gave £205 to the Sunday school and in1891 £250 was given to Trawden Cemetery, then belonging to the Primitive Methodists.

Chapel Fold now stands on the site of the Primitive Methodist Chapel and Sunday school.

There is still a stone laid by Sir William Pickles Hartley in the wall there.

Zion Independent Methodist Chapel was begun by a group of people meeting in a cottage at White Lea Head Farm. Money was raised and a Chapel built in 1882. Two hundred and fifty people sat down to tea to celebrate the opening of the chapel. The cost of the building was £530.

On special occasions the chapel would be full, with standing room only, for three services, morning, afternoon and evening.

Unfortunately membership began to decline and in 2002 the decision was taken to close the chapel. It now stands empty awaiting development.

The Old Chapel and Lodge, Trawden Cemetery

Before any of these there was a Quaker chapel and burial ground on the Mirage, (Colne Road), which was the old road to Colne. The stone reading "Society of Friends Trawden Burial Ground 1688" can still be seen.

The Society of Friends were the first non-conformists in Trawden. Meetings were held mostly in private houses. Frighams Cottage on Dark Lane (Boulsworth Road) is also known as Frighams Chapel and is said to have been a Quaker Burial Ground. An old Trawdener used to tell about bones being found when the garden was dug over.

Other Trawden Facts

Trawden War Memorial was opened on 27th May 1922. The procession then went to the Recreation Ground which was opened on the same day. The ground for this, in the centre of the three districts, was given by Stephen Hartley of Winewall, in memory of the men who gave their lives during the First World War.
Trawden School was built in 1910. Previous to this there had been a school at Winewall, Trawden Wesleyan School on Church Street and Trawden Church School, now the Parish Hall.

Trawden had three public houses and numerous clubs, including the Grand Club and the Cock Hill Club.

The Rock Hotel (Trawden Arms) was built in 1895 on the site of a corn mill which had stood there since the 16th century. The license was transferred from the Black Rock which stood at the bottom of Rock Lane.


The Sun Inn was fromerly known as the Steps Head. In 1834 the licensee was John Birtwistle. In 1848 when Thomas Binns was tennant it was known as the Sun Inn.
The Herders Arms was also in Trawden. More properly named the Oldham Arms it was reknowned for selling 'Stew and Hard', (potted meat and oatcakes usually served with onions). It closed in 2003.


The first tram came to Trawden on June 24th 1904. An extract from the school register reads "Fri: Holiday this aft. All the children are to have a free ride on the Electric car to celebrate the opening which took place on Wedy. last. Buns and coffee will be given on their return" . The line was extended up the 'Tram Lines' (White Lea Avenue) in 1905. This route was taken as Church Street was to steep.

Mills in Trawden

The coming of cotton played a very important part in the development of Trawden.
Possibly the first mills in Trawden were Lodge Holme Mill and Folly Mill.
They were built as cotton spinning mills and were water powered, both having a weir and a dam to supply the water. An abundance of running water was one of the major factors in the siting of the cotton mills.

Folly Mill was below Gladstone Terrace. Henry Owen Cunliffe of Wycoller Hall, was one of the owners of the mill which was bought when oit was in a state of disrepair and probably pulled down. Later a larger cotton mill was built nearby by a firm known as Critchley Armstrong. Later still it was occupied by Eccles. During World War Two the frim of Fenners moved from Hull and made munitions in the factory. Many if the workers were girls who lived in a hostel at the Grange, Keighley Road, Colne. Prior to its demolition in 1974 the mill was occupied by Pioneer Oilseal Ltd. The site is now occupied by a small modern factory.

Burrows and Green, Lodge Holme (1950's)

By 1892 Lodge Holme Mill had become a dyeworks and in 1923 it was occupied by Multi Colour (Dyers) Ltd., Cop Dyers. Between 1892 and 1910 the Dye works switched to steam power.


In 1931 Lodge Holme Mill was taken over by the engineering firm of Burrows and Green and during World War Two tracer bullets were made there. A special machine to make the bullets had to be constructed at the factory first. Seventy women were employed on munitions work. Later the firm became known as Bursgreen and was eventually taken over by Wadkin. The firm closed down in 1993 when work was transferred to the Leicester branch.


In 1994 the building was taken over by Penyard Ltd. of Barrowford and VFM/Pendle Woodworking Machinery.


Black Carr Mill was built as a steam-powered cotton weaving mill let on a room and power basis. It was opened in 1882. In 1885 an extension was built. At first it was occupied by many small weaving firms. By 1963 it was occupied solely by Hopkinson's (Trawden) Ltd., and in the late 1960's was bought by Bannisters as an extension of their other Trawden premises. The mill ceased production of textiles in the late 1990's and was taken over by Victoria Forge (Nelson) Ltd.
Coal for the mill engines was stored across the road where Cleggs now have their storage yard.

Forest Shed Mill

Forest Shed Mill (now Forest Bank) was built about 1890 as a steam powered mill let on a room and power basis. Power came from an engine and boiler houoses attached to the side of the shed. In 1938 the warehouse was burnt down. children from the school had a bird's eye view of the fire.

Scar Top Mill was built by John Bannister in the middle of the 19th century and was rented by James Preston until he moved to Walk Mill at Colne. It was later enlarged.

The gateposts from Wycoller Hall were palced at the entrance to the mill on Church Street.

The porch from the hall was also bought at this time and built on to Bannister's house.

Around 1890 it was a chemical factory making gun cotton from cottom waste. In 1922 it was partly a mill and partly a laundry. This closed in the 1970's and the mill was taken over by the firm of Trurig Ltd., precision engineers, producing among other things, aircraft components.

Brook Shed was built in 1860 by William Pilling. Like most of the other mills it was let out on a room and power basis. At first there were three separate firms using the mill. By 1902 there were two firms in occupation and by 1911 just one firm.In 1963 the mill was occupied by Derbyshire and Knowles Ltd., 'Dry Tapers and Chain Beamers for ticks, crepes, poplins, gaberdines etc.

Pave Shed Mill April 1992

Pave Shed Mill (Salts), now Weavers Court was built between 1844 and 1879 by William Marsden who lived at Trawden Hall. The older part of the mill was a dandy house, used for handloom weaving. The Primitive Methodists had a chapel on the site until the one was built across the road, below Orchard Terrace.

At one time it was occupied by John Wilkinson & Son, cotton goods manufacturers. During the 1960's Hull Traders were there, with the family living in a flat in the mill.

Later it was occupied by Bronte Carpets until they moved to Colne.


Lane House Mill was sited where Hollin Hall engineering works now is.
Hollin Hall Mill (Floats) was built around 1855. In 1854 the Hollin Hall Shed Building Company was floated as a Limited Company (hence the nickname, which is also said to derive from the number of floats (faults) in the cloth). Shares were £1 each with interest of 5%. It was occupied by John Sagar cotton manufacturer. By 1911 the occupiers were Hollin Hall Manufacturing Company.

In the 1920's there was a fire at the mill when the tape room and its contents were destroyed. A few looms at one end of the building were damaged and a few beams in the stock room but very little cloth was damaged. The total damage amounted to £6000.


By 1931 the tenant was James Moorhouse and Sons Ltd. Around 1945 H. W. Bannister became the mills owners and the mill was extended.


In 1968 H. W. Bannister was taken over by William Baird Textiles, later becoming Bairdtex.


In November 1995 The William Baird Group announced its intention of closing the Bairdtex colour woven fabric business regretting that market forces were such that the business was no longer viable. The factory closed in January 1996.


A new lease of life was granted to Hollin Hall mill when Empress Mills (1927) Ltd. of Colne took over the premises in May 1996. Unfortunately circumstances forced a move back to Colne in April 2004 and the mill was sold. It is now awaiting development into housing.

Winewall




Winewall in 1963. The Inghamite Chapel is in the top right of the picture.

Winewall began as a small hamlet at the top of the hill with several outlying farms. In area it extended as far as the road to Wycoller on the bottom of Boulsworth Hill.

The coming of the cotton mills saw the extension of the village to what we know now.

The first Inghamite Chapel was built in 1752. In 1860 a new Chapel was built and the old Chapel used as a Sunday School. This Chapel was demolished in 1979 and the Sunday school once again became the Chapel. In 1998 declining congregations forced the Chapel to close. It was later developed into houses. There is an extensive graveyard at the back of the former Chapel.

There was a small mill at Well Head. At first it was a cotton mill and in later years became a plastic making factory. It closed in 2003.

New Laithe Farm

In the mid 1940's Alvin Barrett and Fred Spencer bought New Laithe Farm and set up a poultry farm. They sold eggs and hatched Chicks for sale. They started business in a small pen up Dark Lane , ( Boulsworth Road ), Trawden. This business is still in existence, run by Alvin 's grandsons.

Cottontree

Until the coming of the industrial revolution Cottontree was a small hamlet at the bend of the road leading from Winewall to Colne. As the mills were built houses were needed for the workers and the Cottontree we see today evolved.
A cotton mill was built on Ball grove and one at Bough Gap. The pond on the Ferndean Way , was Bough Gap mill lodge.

Later the mill at Ball Grove became Sagars Tannery which was one of the largest in the country.

There was a road leading from Ball Grove up past the Brewery on Keighley Road , up Bents and so on to Skipton.

People from Cottontree used to get yeast from the Brewery for making bread.
The Wesleyan Church was built in 1893. Previous to this services were held in the Winewall Co-operative Society buildings. The Church was extended in 1900 and is still a thriving Church.





The Inghamite Church at the bottom of Cottontree Lane was built in 1900
because of a split with the Church at Winewall. Declining congregations led to it being demolished in 1993 and new houses were built on the site.

[Mathos]

A pity, but I just came across this additional information on The Internet.





Trawden Pubs & Clubs

The Herders Inn

Lancashire Moor Road, Trawden

29 July 2004 - No longer operating as a pub - permission being sought to convert into two residential dwellings.


I wonder if this fine place could be bought then.



This was the village of Stanbury, really old, steeped in history and attractive and quite unique to look at.



The Farm above was still working and of course inhabited.

Both The Wuthering Heights Inn and the farmhouse were built in the mid 1700's.


There is some additional information here from The Internet, well worth clicking on.
Miss Hanson & Harebell approaching Stanbury 1916 · Miss Hanson & Harebell approaching Stanbury 1916 ... Cross Roads, Lees, Haworth, Oxenhope & Stanbury ...
www.haworth-village.org.uk/history/history-pics/stanbury.asp - 33k - Cached - Similar pages

[wanderering walter]

Originally Posted by wanderering walter

but I could from the Government

Hi Mathos just for clarities sake, I said "could" not "did" !!!, whilst I agree with your sentiments concerning taxation and the need for it, what I dislike is how and who chancellor taxes and the ratios applied (recently he was going to tax the unfortunate unfairly!! until he was forced to climbdown) plus how that tax is squandered in many unsuitable ways! That and many other more important issues concerning my home country persuades me to utter some irrational comments!

Hey look at my Reds ( got some greens as well) , did battle with the usual suspects over that trespassing thread of mine, it got over 2000 views before it was sent to MKP, rationality and reason does not apply to this nucleus ,still it keeps them happy

[Mathos]

Originally Posted by wanderering walter

Hi Mathos just for clarities sake, I said "could" not "did" !!!, whilst I agree with your sentiments concerning taxation and the need for it, what I dislike is how and who chancellor taxes and the ratios applied (recently he was going to tax the unfortunate unfairly!! until he was forced to climbdown) plus how that tax is squandered in many unsuitable ways! That and many other more important issues concerning my home country persuades me to utter some irrational comments!

Hey look at my Reds ( got some greens as well) , did battle with the usual suspects over that trespassing thread of mine, it got over 2000 views before it was sent to MKP, rationality and reason does not apply to this nucleus ,still it keeps them happy

Don't worry about the irrational ways you may or may not have Walter, it's good to be irrational, some folk are far too serious.

Personally I don't think it's a good idea to be over serious, it's somewhat akin to trying to repair your wrist-watch with a hammer.

Reds as well.. Wow that must make you a contender for the naughty boys club.

A good friend of mine {an eminent Psychiatrist} once gave me a brilliant discussion with regard to people purposely being 'naughty' to draw attention to themselves or even to have certain levels of punishment inflicted upon their being.

Some of the people with these demands usually make their way to to 'Punishment Centres' of some kind or another.

You know, Sado-Masochists.

Personally, it's totally irrelevant to my thoughts as to what other people go to these places for, indeed I see little or no point at all in wondering why they purposely do 'Naughty Things' to get the red marks against their names.

They have these fantasies and it all seems rather strange to my way of thinking:-


He, has been a naughty boy and the Headmistress has called him to her private study.

She keeps him sitting in this straight-backed chair outside of her door for ten minutes...

He can hear her now, inside, testing the canes, straps, gym shoes and paddles on the punishment bench. Oh my!!


Whack! Whaaack! Whaaaaaaaaaaaack!!
Will it be six of the best with the cane?


Maybe he will just get just a telling off!

She may just make him stand in the corner for naughty boys like the last time with his trousers down, whilst she laughs at him and tells him how useless he is

... how he'll never amount to anything. That he's a disgrace to the school, and to her!

"This is going to hurt me a lot more than it will hurt you young man!" she'll say.

He's hoping she doesn't make him cry.


Oh... but what if she drops her gown and makes him look at her again?


And what will he do if she wants him to...


Now my friend, the psychiatrist would relate various tales of these incidents and the dreamer forty seven years of age would be in his bed room whilst his wife was out shopping he'd be wearing a school uniform with short grey pants.

Doctor Hook once did a very good song regarding the fantasies of a married woman, slowly slipping past her sell by date.

The morning sun touched lightly on the eyes of Lucy Jordan
In a white suburban bedroom in a white suburban town
As she lay there neath the covers dreaming of a thousand lovers
Till the world turned to orange and the room went spinning round.

At the age of thirty-seven she realised shed never
Ride through Paris in a sports car with the warm wind in her hair.
So she let the phone keep ringing and she sat there softly singing
Little nursery rhymes she'd memorised in her daddy's easy chair.

Her husband, he's gone off to work and the kids are off to school,
And there are, oh, so many ways for her to spend the day.
She could clean the house for hours or rearrange the flowers
Or run naked through the shady street screaming all the way.

At the age of thirty-seven she realised she'd never
Ride through Paris in a sports car with the warm wind in her hair
So she let the phone keep ringing as she sat there softly singing
Pretty nursery rhymes she'd memorised in her daddy's easy chair.

The evening sun touched gently on the eyes of Lucy Jordan
On the roof top where she climbed when all the laughter grew too loud
And she bowed and curtsied to the man who reached and offered her his hand,
And he led her down to the long white car that waited past the crowd.

At the age of thirty-seven she knew she'd found forever
As she rode along through Paris with the warm wind in her hair ...


This is interesting as well from Wikipedia, it helps define and further explain the problems if they are indeed to be regarded as such.


Distinction between S&M, BDSM and D/s


Sadists desire to inflict pain; this may or may not be sexual in nature. Masochists desire to receive pain, which again may or may not be sexual.

The simple physiological enjoyment of pain is technically known as algolagnia.
BDSM is a short-hand abbreviation for many subdivisions of the culture: B&D (bondage and discipline), D/s (domination and submission), S&M (sadism and masochism), and Master and Slave.


Dominance and submission—control over another, or being controlled by another, respectively—typically describes a relationship power dynamic rather than a set of acts, and may or may not involve sadomasochism.

Bondage and discipline describes a set of acts that sometimes involve D/s or S&M; although discipline often implies a level of suffering (real or pretend), participants may stop short of causing actual pain.


[edit] Etymology







Portrait of Marquis de Sade by Charles-Amédée-Philippe van Loo (1761).







Leopold von Sacher-Masoch (1860s).


The development of the term sadomasochism is very complex. Originally "Sadism" and "Masochism" were purely technical terms for psychological features, which were classified as psychological illness. The terms are derived from the authors Marquis de Sade and Leopold von Sacher-Masoch.


In 1843 the Hungarian physician Heinrich Kaan published Psychopathia sexualis ("Psychopathy of Sex"), a writing in which he converts the sin conceptions of Christianity into medical diagnoses. With his work the originally theological terms "perversion", "aberration" and "deviation" became part of the scientific terminology for the first time.


The German psychiatrist Richard von Krafft-Ebing introduced the terms "Sadism" and "Masochism" into the medical terminology in his work Neue Forschungen auf dem Gebiet der Psychopathia sexualis ("New research in the area of Psychopathy of Sex") in 1890.[1]


In 1905, Sigmund Freud described "Sadism" and "Masochism" in his Drei Abhandlungen zur Sexualtheorie ("Three papers on Sexual Theory") as diseases developing from an incorrect development of the child psyche and laid the groundwork for the scientific perspective on the subject in the following decades.


This led to the first time use of the compound term Sado-Masochism (German "Sado-Masochismus")) by the Viennese Psychoanalyst Isidor Isaak Sadger in his work Über den sado-masochistischen Komplex ("Regarding the sadomasochistic complex") in 1913.[2]


In the past BDSM activists turned repeatedly against these conceptual models, originally deriving from singular historical figures and implying a clear pathological connotation. They argued that there is no common sense in attributing a phenomenon as complex as BDSM to two individual humans, as well one might speak of "Leonardism" instead of Homosexuality.

The BDSM scene tried to distinguish themselves with the expression "B&D" for Bondage and Discipline from that pejorativeconnotated term "S&M".


The abbreviation BDSM was probably coined in the early 1990s in the subculture around the Newsgroupnews:alt.sex.bondage. This new term is first recorded as appearing in July 1991.


Later the dimension Dominance and Submission was integrated into the connotation of BDSM, creating the multilevel acronym common today

There's big business in it as well Walter.

No bondage section would be complete without a sexy soft leather whip or paddle.


Step this way slave!

It's all daft if it makes you laugh though.


Some folk pay good money for it as well.

[Mathos]

For quite a while after the major outbreak of 'Foot and Mouth' in Britain a few years back there were very few cattle to be seen in the fields at all.

This year, it appears that the balance has improved quite dramatically, it's difficult not to notice that fields are looking more normal all of a sudden.


Over the last few weeks we have come across some beautiful specimens.




These beauties aren't so old at all.



There's a bonny looking cat in the back-ground as well.






We had an outstandingly beautiful morning, then it started, a few of those heavy distinct spots thats fall like lead from the clouds above, you kind of know it's going to really put some down.

It did.



It made for a nice photograph as well, Flobo actually took that one.

The day wasn't that bad though, we dodged a few down pours here and there, but we also had a few decent sunny periods of sunshine between the same.

It could have been worse.

We came across a really nice looking guest house high in the hills around Stanbury called Ponden.




The Guest House looked exceptionally nice and I thought I would see if there was reference to the same on the Internet.



Welcome to Ponden Guest House Ponden, Stanbury, Nr. Haworth,


Keighley, West Yorkshire, BD22 0HR

Tel: 01535 644154


Welcome to our new website: The Old Web Site with full details may still be viewed by clicking here

The Entrance Hall at Ponden House

Stay at Ponden Guest House

Tourist Board Inspected

We offer Bed & Breakfast Guest House Accommodation and Camping Facilities for walkers, travelers and holiday makers.



Ponden House is on the Pennine Way.



Evening Meals by arrangement.



Parking available.



In the heart of the beautiful Yorkshire countryside, and under 2 miles from Haworth and Bronte literary attractions.



Hot Tub available all year round for groups. (PRE- BOOKING ESSENTIAL -see conditions)

Read our Fire / Risk Assessment Document (pdf)

The Lounge




Purple Bedroom



Read more...

[Mathos]

Haworth in Yorkshire is an exceptionally beautiful little town.

The originality of the cobbled streets and old buildings are well maintained and preserved with pride.



Note the 'Red Telephone Box'


It's a bit of a pity that there had to be cars in the vicinity it spoiled the photograph in my opinion and the general reality of yester-year was taken away by the same.






Henry Ford.


There was a superb Police and Community Point manned in the locality which added to the picturesque scene in general.





There is a great deal to write up on with regards to this town and surrounding area. I have been meandering a little of late.

Never mind though, I'll catch up on it in due course.


Whichever way you look at it, it's fantastic to see whole villages being maintained to these high standards.



From The scooter, the public house and the old Williams and Glyn's Bank Building, the complete scene above is remarkable.

Haworth deserves more than a pat on the back for presentation to these standards.

[Mathos]

There are times, not many, but certain times when something or somebody catches your eye and it's kind of special.

I rather imagine you all appreciate such instances in life.

I caught sight of this 'Princess' sat on a wall at the front of a pub in Haworth and just had to take a photograph. she looks just as good here as she did on the day.

I thought she looked really gorgeous.




Haworth by the way is pronounced Howarth. Don't ask me why.

Haworth is internationally famous for the connection it has with the Bronte sisters.

The sisters were born in Thornton, but wrote the majority of their works whilst living at the Haworth Parsonage.

The original or older section of the village retains all of its wonderful charm and character as you can see from the photographs I have already placed on the thread and there are some additional ones to follow.

All in all the village was a really nice place to visit and deserves an added visit during the winter time.




Scenes of this nature are rather unique.

The thickness of the slates on the roof of the buildings was quite amazing, they are really like flag-stones.

I rather imagine the beams and trusses supporting the roof and all of the weight without considering a heavy snow fall, must be oak.



The houses were extremely impressive. Many were actually holiday cottages, rather a unique and somewhat interesting place to spend a holiday. Depending on your preferences of course.





I can never resist taking a look out back so to speak. If you don't look, you don't find.

Rather interesting it is as well. You get an additional outlook as to how the properties are constructed and used.

[Mathos]

It's interesting too, reflecting on the past and considering the difficulties they must have encountered building villages of this calibre anywhere, let alone like this and many similar on the sides of mountains. They had no JCB's and such like equipment in those days. Manual labour really meant that.




Not only does the photograph above point out a great deal of digging, toting and doing. There is a possibility that additional living quarters a cottage may have been built below the road and into the mountain side. It certainly shows a stone window frame and a couple of doors which have been built up and sealed since.

If you look at each photograph I have put on here and think about the actual stone in each home, the thick slate roof tiles, the cobble stones, the stone walls, the ground floors to the homes would have been stone flags. Fireplaces. The list is quite endless and all of it was quarried locally, transported by barrow and man power, cut, dressed and all the actual building work undertaken.

That is without thinking of the digging out, the groundwork, the removal of matter dug out etc.

They deserved a pint.





I suppose that living there in days of old was a somewhat hard existence. But life was much harder then. Perhaps not as complicated as we have forced it to become in these modern times.

The cottages would have been little more than a two up two down. No bathrooms or toilets for instance.

A Belfast sink on the gable end wall in the kitchen. A simple drain to an internal grid and one cold tap.

There would perhaps be a tin bath hanging on a hook or six inch nail on the yard wall at the rear. Perhaps there were public baths in town.

We take so much for granted nowadays.




Even to posting a letter.

Most homes now have en-suite bathrooms as a matter of course. Downstairs toilets and wash-rooms. Garden shower rooms.

It all get a bit daft when you think about it in comparison as to how things were PRE-World War 11.

[Mathos]

Actually if you look around and spend a little time in these locations you can from time to time come across some spectacular properties for sale.





It depends of course what your intentions are regarding buying. Would it be a business venture, buy renovate and sell at a huge profit. Not the best of times to be thinking that way at present.

I daresay the prices will fall though and if they fall enough, it would be well worth the capital expenditure to obtain the same and take advantage of there being numerous tradesmen willing to work for a much lower profit mark up themselves during difficult times as we are now approaching. That's assuming you can't do the work yourself of course.




I'm only thinking out loud so to speak, meandering again I suppose.

It was in a rather pleasant location though.

There is a reservoir across the road, and very pleasant if somewhat isolated panoramic views all around the same.




I think the next photograph gives a better impression.





There's a duck here as well.

I can't promise it will stay there, but it might be prudent to suggest it will visit every now and then if you throw it the odd bit of bread once in a while.



Property does have a habit of increasing in price and being more of a selling commodity if located close to attractive and safe waters.




Some of the views in the immediate area were really beautiful.




You just can't help but think though, you could have a hell of a way to walk for the morning paper or a pint of milk.

I also now have the habit of wondering if 'Happyman' might see something special in one of these photographs.

It all makes the whole exercise far more interesting.

It's certainly the right location to think about 'Wuthering Heights' or 'Jayne Eyre' for instance.

If you haven't read Jayne Eyre by the way by Charlotte Bronte, it's an absolutely fantastic book to read. All the Bronte work is good if it comes to that though, but Jayne Eyre in my opinion was brilliant.

Here I go again meandering Mathos.

This was a lucky photograph to be able to take.

It really shows the thickness and heavy quality of the roof slates.



More like stone flags, I would say.

[Mathos]

Boxing tonight and there are a few of us watching, a few beers, couple of shorts and some really tasty Angus sirloins on those big oven bottom muffins with best Irish butter, fried onions and maybe a couple of jacket potato's.

First drink for me in months I rather think.

This was a really attractive terrace of cottages.




The larger of the pair on the right of the photograph had obviously been two turned into one and a good job of the conversion certainly appeared to have been carried out.


The owner had taken a great deal of care in presenting a very colourful flower display. There was a watering system in place too which really helps to maintain a show of this nature.

They are a simple battery or mains via converter unit fitted to a constant water supply which then works on pre-set timing. Most of the pubs have them to maintain their displays.

It's amazing really when you look at neglected property and cared for property of a similar vein.





It's a pity at times to see neglect, but of course there could be host of reasons behind the same so passing criticisms isn't really a fair issue.



I thought this particular view was exceptionally nice as well. The selection of nesting boxes say a great deal too.




Although I haven't seen them myself, I understand they have torch light processions through the streets around Christmas time. From what I have been told, the visible impact from the hundreds of live flames is absolutely amazing.

It might well be worth a visit later in the year to get a few photographs of the same and maybe take part in the pre Christmas festivities.

Time will tell.

I thought the 'old garage doors' on this photograph were splendid.



Somewhat past their sell by date I know, but they represent a great example, the building was unique in a manner of speaking, note the oak lintel and the bow in the walls, say nothing about the garden growing on the roof.

The property within the confines of the courtyard looked great.





Another nice street here as well, there's a traffic warden somewhere though getting paid for neglecting his duty.

Or maybe he lives there.

Same street, different angle.



I bet the kids have plenty of fun on sledges down these streets in winter.




And in the toffee shop.

[Happyman]

Originally Posted by Mathos

I also now have the habit of wondering if 'Happyman' might see something special in one of these photographs.

It all makes the whole exercise far more interesting.

Not "into" owning property but the thought of just crossing the lane to go fishing is rather appealing !!!

The landscape pic is nice !
There are three features that I immediatly "clicked" on to !

No 1

Left hand side of pic - middle distance just at the end of the cloud shadow.
Interesting looking rock outcrop in an uncultivated area - gotta be something there!!

No 2

On the horizon about a third of the way in on the right hand side.
Hill with an interesting raised patch on the summit - above the natural tree line - could be a hill fort of some kind .

No 3

The actual site from where you took the picture - the edge where it drops away just the other side of the wall looks like the hand of man ( ancient) might have had some thing to do with it !!!

Here endeth the lesson !!!

Can you give me a clue as to where you were when you took it so I can have a dig around !!

Cheers !

[wanderering walter]

testing testing, 123!!! me posts have "gone" mmhh suppose that,s a deserving end!! Reminds me of the "Prisoner" back in the late 60s, Patrick McGoughan!! that was a painting in "Scripts" enigmatic , open to interpretation ! totally meaningless or meaningful. a catalyst!! The last episode was "Fallout" ,everyone running in their respective directions, Must go ! the Red Bus is leaving across the bridge. will the little fat butler grab my hand ? Nah!! "Its fallout!! " there,s something wonderfull in connectivity! equally when the course is run , we learn a little more from such encounters

[Happyman]

^^
Hi Mathos
Interpretation clues to my thoughts on the landscape picture - just to give you some idea as to where I am coming from !!

No 1
Blown up the pic as big as I can and the Rocks look like rocks( irregular) and there is no track leading to them. Also it is highly unusual for buildings to be
a) On an exposed part of a moor.
b) if one was built there they would always plant some trees to provide a wind break .

No2,

Trees capping an exposed hill 99times out of 100 indicate that there are earthworks there, and during the expansion of cultivated land in the medaeval times they just didn't have the ploughs to flatten them. Many lowland earthworks are just crop marks in dry weather now as they were easily and gradually nibbled down and also usually didn't have any stonework in then ( if there was the farmer removed them to make his farmhouse!!)

No3.
The height of your position is a start!
Just in front of the wall the scarp looks like it drops away sharply ( and seems to continue off the right hand side of the pic)
The wall seems to be built in a ditch and you seem to be on a bank above it.
Classic Bronze/Iron age setting.

High position overlooking a huge area
Close to a water supply ( bet there is a stream in the line of trees in the valley below )l
Man exaggerated scarp
Ditch
Earth ramparts

Cheers

( I was always told "open landscape is a book - you just have to learn the language it is written in !" )

[Happyman]

Originally Posted by Mathos

OK Mathos !
What do I find interesting about this pic?

[wanderering walter]

Originally Posted by Happyman

was always told "open landscape is a book - you just have to learn the language it is written in !" )

your a clever Happyman, much appreciated!! can I guess, its on the horizon , that mound??

[Happyman]

Originally Posted by wanderering walter

your a clever Happyman, much appreciated!! can I guess, its on the horizon , that mound??

Can always guess but ain't tellin' until Mathos answers!
Can only handle one student at at a time !

"open landscape is a book - you just have to learn the language it is written in !"

That was told to me when I was about 10 years old by a dear friend of my mum - a writer and archaeologist specialising in the pre- Roman era - was in her 70's and could walk the hind legs off a donkey doing field work on earthworks - hill forts etc etc ! And taught me the language!!!
She needed a packhorse to carry her sandwiches and notebooks - ME!!

Finally drifted off this 'mortal coil' on a field trip at 85 in 1962 at 'The Walls' in Staffordshire ( hill fort) during a field trip lunch break - still talking - sandwich in one hand and a glass of sherry in the other!!

Gotta keep the faith !!!

[Mathos]

Originally Posted by wanderering walter

testing testing, 123!!! me posts have "gone" mmhh suppose that,s a deserving end!! Reminds me of the "Prisoner" back in the late 60s, Patrick McGoughan!! that was a painting in "Scripts" enigmatic , open to interpretation ! totally meaningless or meaningful. a catalyst!! The last episode was "Fallout" ,everyone running in their respective directions, Must go ! the Red Bus is leaving across the bridge. will the little fat butler grab my hand ? Nah!! "Its fallout!! " there,s something wonderfull in connectivity! equally when the course is run , we learn a little more from such encounters

The Prisoner..Patrick McGoohan, it was a follow on to an earlier series he starred in as 'Danger Man'

Great actor.

The Prisoner and Village have a very famous 'Cult type following'

You can read about it here Walter.

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It was interesting in it's day, but we must be talking back in the 70's I would think.

I heard the village was a very interesting place to visit, however I never went myself.

Short biography of Patrick McGoohan, illustrated with colour photographs.
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Check the above out as well, again a very interesting character.

I remember him playing in a film regarding Motorway Construction, driving Thames Traders with Stanley Baker..

"Driver's From Hell"

A Tipper Wagon version of Dracula I suppose.

[Mathos]

Happyman wrote:-

The landscape pic is nice !
There are three features that I immediatly "clicked" on to !

No 1

Left hand side of pic - middle distance just at the end of the cloud shadow.
Interesting looking rock outcrop in an uncultivated area - gotta be something there!!

No 2

On the horizon about a third of the way in on the right hand side.
Hill with an interesting raised patch on the summit - above the natural tree line - could be a hill fort of some kind .

No 3

The actual site from where you took the picture - the edge where it drops away just the other side of the wall looks like the hand of man ( ancient) might have had some thing to do with it !!!

Here endeth the lesson !!!

Can you give me a clue as to where you were when you took it so I can have a dig around !!

Cheers

Hi Happyman

I took the photograph about two hundred yards to the north east of the Herders Inn as show in a previous post

You will be able to obtain the co-ordinates from the address of the pub which is on Lancashire Moor Road Trawden

Trawden Pubs & Clubs
Picture of The Herders Inn. 29 July 2004 - No longer operating as a pub - permission being ... Back Colne Road, Trawden 01282 867985 Picture


See what you think of this one too Happyman, I'm only clutching of course but the road in the centre of the photograph going through the valley.

It just does not look natural to me. Obviously there has been work clearing for the small road, but the general area looks to have been interfered with more than one might consider to be necessary for the road?




There appears to be a small bridge down there as well crossing a stream perhaps.

It's an interesting photograph, but I may be reading too much into it.


It's from the same area, slightly more to the north east.

[Mathos]

Happyman asked:-

OK Mathos !
What do I find interesting about this pic?

The top of the hill on the horizon as Walter mentioned, looks interesting and appears to have been constructed as opposed to being natural.

The trees going down from the chimney pots in the centre of the picture look interesting as well.

But I'm only taking guesses.