Beautiful Lancashire

[Mathos]

They have erected this gigantic 'Green Man' near the entrance road to the northern end of The Village. Ivy has been placed around the bottom with the intention of it growing and covering the full structure in due course.





It was quite comical when they first put it up and some 'Wag' fastened a rubber phallus to it.






Another block of apartments.


There is a small square in this section, with a Chemist shop in the centre, a newsagents, combined convenience type store, hairdressers, and beauty parlour.

I thought somebody might have got a 'Chippy' up and running by now.



The blocks above and below are just one small part of a massive development classed as 'Retirement Homes'




Not exactly to my liking, but apparently they are selling well.



I'll definitely spend a bit of time on here as the projects get more towards completion as well. There are water-ways, lakes and ponds in The Village, it has it's attractions in certain ways.

[Mathos]

It certainly has an appealing and attractive look to it in general.





There are some really nice properties available.




Nice family homes like the one below.





Nice to see, there are tremendous variations in the properties available for purchase.

The Village has to be beneficial to the area in general. I think it covers about 400 acres. There is a commercial side to the same as well as residential. There is a great deal of natural woodland in 'The Village' and the landscaping to date is certainly carried out to a really high and attractive level.

It has to be seen as a good job creation area as well, there are some very large and well known names moving into the commercial buildings.

All in all it's a 10+ and then some more.

[wanderering walter]

just a quick one on Lancaster , the only other thing that springs to mind was Dr Buck Ruxton ,Dalton Square ,murdered his wife and maid in 1935, wrapped their body parts in a local newspaper and dumped them in Dumfries, this was the 1st forensic case to be solved this way, one thing they worked out the age of the maggots therefore giving a time of the disposal!! The building was empty for years until 1980s when it became offices, Nobody has slept there since 1935!!
Sherlock Holmes was the 1st forensic detective even though he was fictitious, even the "Hound of the Baskervilles" was based on Conan Doyles educational experiances at Stoneyhurst catholic private school,! Lancs/Yorks border???
Who was your favourite Holmes Actor?? mine was Basil Rathbone for years but as I "grew up" ( as Walter Horam would say "prove it" ?) it became a bit simplistic, recently there have been many interpretations, all surprisingly interesting and very differant!

[Mathos]

Sherlock:-

Yes, I would agree with you with regards to the late Basil Rathbone Walter, he was made for the role of Holmes. I took the information below from The Net:-

Basil Rathbone
(1892 - 1967)

South African-born Basil Rathbone was the son of a British mining engineer working in Johannesburg. After a brief career as an insurance agent, the 19-year-old aspiring actor joined his cousins repertory group. World War I service as a Lieutenant in Liverpool Scottish Regiment followed and he won the Military Cross (a consdierable feat) for bravery during the conflict. A rapid ascension to leading man status on the British stage followed and Rathbone's movie debut was in the London-filmed The Fruitful Vine (1921).

Tall, well profiled, and blessed with a commanding stage voice, Rathbone shifted from modern dress productions to Shakespeare and back again with finesse. Very much in demand in the early talkie era, one of Rathbone's earliest American films was The Bishop Murder Case (1930), in which, as erudite amateur sleuth Philo Vance, he was presciently referred to by one of the characters as 'Sherlock Holmes'. He was seldom more effective than when cast in costume dramas as a civilized but cold-hearted villain: Murdstone in David Copperfield (1934), Evremonde in Tale of Two Cities (1935).

Rathbone was a good friend of Robin Hood star Errol Flynn, and a far better swordsman. He was greatly admired for his athletic cinema swordsmanship, particularly as Sir Guy of Guisborne in the long fight scene in Robin Hood. Other noteworthy swordfights appear in The Mark of Zorro and The Court Jester (1955). The later duplicates a scene in the former in which Rathbone slices a candle in two and leaves it burning.

Never content with shallow, one note performances, Rathbone often brought a touch of humanity and pathos to such stock 'heavies' as Karenin in Anna Karenina (1936) and Pontius Pilate in The Last Days of Pompeii (1936). He was Oscar-nominated for his portrayals of Tybalt in Romeo and Juliet (1936) and the crotchety Louis XVI in If I Were King (1938).

Quite interesting to note you mentioned the Dr Buck Ruxton case as well, there was a programme on television regarding this grisly episode. Strange isn't it, the odd-ball things people do and think they are entitled to escape the penalties for such actions.

Forensic Medicine Archives Project

University of Glasgow

Case against Dr Buck Ruxton, Lancaster, Moffat and Manchester (1935)

Case File [Ref. GUAFM/2A/25] contains notebooks, correspondence, anatomical reports, witness reports, extracts from Ruxton's diary, photographs, and lantern slides.
Dr Buck Ruxton was charged with the murder of his wife and housemaid in Lancaster, England. Ruxton dismembered their bodies and disposed their body parts in and around the town of Moffat, Dumriesshire. Ruxton was arrested tried in the Manchester High Court. He was found guilty and hanged at Manchester on 12th May 1936.

Click on image to enlarge
1. The police search for evidence in Moffat

[Ref: GUA FM/2A/25/109]

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2. Detectives arrive in Moffat

[Ref: GUA FM/2A/25/114] l-r Supt. Adam Maclaren, Glasgow; Chief Constable W. Black, Dumfriesshire; Assistant Chief Constable Warnock, Glasgow; Chief Constable A.N. Keith, Lanarkshire; Det.-Lieut. Hammond, finger print expert, Glasgow, and Det.-Lieut. Ewing, Glasgow.

Click on image to enlarge 3. DL Hammond at work with his Camera

[Ref: GUA FM/2A/25/274] In December 1931, Percy Sillitoe was appointed Chief Constable of Glasgow. Under Sillitoe's direction, Sergeant Bertie Hammond was placed in charge of the finger-print section of Glasgow CID. The finger-print laboratory also undertook work in photography and ballistics. Hammond drew on his expertise in fingerprints and photography in the Ruxton Case. He took photographs in the ravine
(Gardenholme Linn) in Moffat where remains had been found. Later Hammond photographed the ridges on the underlying skin of the thumb (Body No. 2). This image of the incomplete thumbprint was detailed enough however had sixteen points of similarity of prints found in Dr Buck Ruxton's house. Numerous other photographs were taken of the body parts by Detective Constable Thomas S. Stobie and other members of the Edinburgh Police Force in the University of Edinburgh's Forensic Medicine Laboratory.

Click on image to enlarge 4. Photograph entitled 'Flag to show area at which portion (obsc) from Linn. River Annan
shown. Note portion re possible flooding'
[Ref: GUA FM/2A/25/73]

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5. John Glaister Junior's notebook entitled 'Moffat Case'.

[Ref: GUA FM/2A/25/1]

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6. The human remains were taken to the University of Edinburgh and a underwent a post mortem examination. This book contains Glaister notes taken during the examination, and lists samples of hairs, fibres etc. which were taken for laboratory examination. [Ref: GUA FM/2A/25/1]

More information about hairs and fibres

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7. Examination of productions for use in the trial
[Ref: GUA FM/2A/25/45]
Evidence/productions are collected for the trial of the accused, Dr Buck Ruxton. This photograph shows numerous labelled productions which underwent stringent laboratory tests at the University of Glasgow, and were then submitted in court as formal pieces of evidence; they include a bath and a photographic portrait of Ruxton's wife.

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8. Scrapbook of cuttings related to the case
[Ref: GUA FM/2A/25/297] Dr Buck Ruxton was tried and found guilty of murder and sentenced to hang. This is one of the numerous press cuttings relating to the Ruxton case collected by John Glaister.

There's a really sad case going on at present in The UK.

Police have launched a murder inquiry after one of the bodies found in the burnt-out ruins of a house in Shropshire was identified as the wife of millionaire businessman Christopher Foster.

Christopher Foster (missing), wife Jill (shot) and daughter Kirstie (missing)

West Mercia Police have said Jill Foster had been shot in the head.

She was identified by dental records.

Officers have said a .22 RF rifle that legitimately belonged to her husband was found next to the two bodies.

The other body found in the ruins belonged to an adult man, but his identity has not yet been confirmed. Formal identification is expected to take some time.
Mr Foster and his daughter Kirstie are still considered to be missing.

A search for a possible third body at the home near Oswestry in Shropshire has been put on hold because of safety fears.

Superintendent Gary Higgins said: "Concerns were raised for the safety of those in the building and the walls of the house had begun to lean in towards where search and forensic teams were working."

The family were last seen on Monday evening, before they returned home to their sprawling country estate - Osbaston House in Maesbrook - that evening.

It has been reported that Kirstie may have been talking online to friends in the hours before the massive fire took hold at around 4am Tuesday.

Flames destroyed a stable block and a garage as well as part of the main residence. Three horses and three dogs were found dead on site in the first hours of investigation - they had all been shot.

And the body of a fourth dog has also been found on site next to the two bodies and the gun. The animal had also been killed by a bullet.

West Mercia Police have said that spent and unspent gun cartridges have been found scattered around the grounds of the property.

Earlier today prayers were said at St John's church in Maesbrook for the family.
Reverend Prebendary David Austerberry told the congregation that it is "hard to grasp exactly what has happened" and he added that the Foster's family and friends "must be devastated".

Mr Foster amassed his fortune developing insulation technology for oil rigs but earlier this year the businessman was branded "bereft of the basic instincts of commercial morality" by a High Court judge.

Court documents show that Mr Foster's company, Ulva Ltd, which had gone into liquidation, faced legal action from one of its suppliers for thousands of pounds, and also owed about £800,000 in tax.

:: Police are appealing for information on the case and asking anyone who can help to call the incident room on 08457 444888 or Crimestoppers, anonymously, on 0800 555111.

It's a crazy bloody world at times.

Stoneyhurst Walter.. Lancashire.

A little known fact about the Ribble Valley is that J.R.R. Tolkien was a frequent vistor here and wrote parts of 'Lord of the Rings' here.South African born John Ronald Reuel Tolkien was at the time a Oxford professor and made frequent visits here between 1942 to 1947.His name has just been discovered in the Stoneyhurst guest book where it appears many times.Tolkien found time to write part of the 'Lord of the Rings' in a class room on the upper gallery at the college.When he was not writing he would take walks around the area with his son Michael.His son Micheal later taught Classics at Stoneyhurst in the 1960's and 70's.Because Tolkien was a professor he taught a few lessons at the college on his visits here.On his walks around the area it has been suggested that he got some of his inspiration from the countryside aound the Ribble Valley.Pendle Hill dominates the surrounding area and is associated with witches and sorcery in the 17th century,inspiration maybe for the Middle Earths Misty Mountains or the Lonely Mountain.Around Stonyhurst and Hurst Green there are alot of names of lanes e.t.c. that are familiar in 'The Lord of the Rings'.Towards the end of his life Tolkien use to stay with his son in a house belonging to the college afew hundred yards away from St. Mary's College,in Woodfields.Tolkien had a very strong love of trees and persuaded his son to plant a copse in the garden,evidence of which can still be seen to this day.Later on in his life Michael Tolkien moved down the road to Waddington.Another very famous author associated with Stonyhurst is Sir Auther Conan Doyle who studied at the college and then went on to create the character 'Sherlock Holmes',the setting for his book 'The Hound of the Baskervilles' was itself Stonyhurst

The picture below is from The Net also taken about 1920.

I do have some photographs of the College I took myself, but they are hard copies and I have not looked for them this evening.

It's a well presented school with a great record for education.

The link below is well worth clicking on;-

The next Stonyhurst College Open Day is on Saturday, 15th November 2008. This Open Day is for prospective 13+, 14+ and Sixth Form families. ...
www.stonyhurst.ac.uk/welcome.shtml - 11k - Cached - Similar pages

[Happyman]

Originally Posted by Mathos

The photograph above is well worth looking at, there is much more there, than meets the eye.

There is indeed !!!
Where is it ?

It has all the attributes if an Iron Age Hill fort!

On an isolated rock with a clearly defined access route (that gully in the centre of the picture) with the remains of a wall and entrance where it reaches the top.

On the slope below are good examples of lychetts or cultivation terraces where they would have grown oats or barley.

If you can tell me where it is I will dig through my database of sites and see if I can come up with anything

[Mathos]

I knew you would be drawn to the photograph Happyman.

When I came across the spot I couldn't determine what was what, but I knew there was more to it than met the eye. It's elevated position gave it additional interest as well as the way it just seemed to look.

It's on the A65 between Settle and Ingleton


I don't have the co-ordinates or anything but it shouldn't prove too difficult to pinpoint. If there is a problem let me know and next time I am up that way, and I will be, as I will be visiting the Falls at Ingleton when the weather is guaranteed to be OK for a long walk.

I'll get more precise information on the exact location for you.

[Mathos]

We took a nice country walk today as well.




Brollies in hand, we thought it was going to rain (it was forecast and it looked quite ominous) but as it was it held off until we got back home.




It was quite nice regardless of the heavy sky and dullness of the day.




The blackberries were good as well.




Very few people out and about though, which was OK by us, the road to the local valley was quiet and when we reached the valley walk it was virtually deserted.

[Happyman]

There is a settlement and field system 500 yards from the the right-hand side of the A65 near Austwick but the contours don't look right

Would like to see photos of that bit of wall at the top !!!

should be able to tell if it is a recent (last 1000 years) or Iron Age construction !
the bonding of the drystone walls are like a living history book !! to me anyway !!!

[Mathos]

Autumn is very close, you can almost smell it when you're walking in the countryside.




Sorry about the photograph quality below, I had to stand on a bit of a wall to get the shot in and I must have moved somewhat whilst taking the same.




The horses were really fine specimens though from what I could tell.




It's a beautiful and very interesting spot is Cuerden Valley.

I did quite a post earlier on in the thread regarding Cuerden Hall and the history attached, all of this area was part of the original estate of course.

There are some good informative links below.


Cuerden Valley Park gives access to a large area of natural countryside lying ... A restoration project has been undertaken by Cuerden Valley Park Trust in ...
Walton le Dale: Cuerden Valley Park - 15k - Cached - Similar pages



Cuerden Valley Park Trust





The 600-acre country park lies along the valley of the River Lostock. It is owned and managed by Cuerden Valley Park Trust, a registered charity.

The northern part of the Park was laid out in the early 19thC as parkland for Cuerden Hall. A restoration project has been undertaken in conjunction with the Wildlife Trust to restore some of the features of the estate from 1883, including the Pinetum/American Garden with a viewing platform and the Victorian walled orchard with pear trees of traditional species.

A series of talks and walks is organised by the Friends of Cuerden Valley Park and there are school education programmes available by appointment on the site. For more details of either, please contact the Rangers’ Office.

Further facilities at Cuerden Valley Park are a Visitor Centre at The Barn, Berkeley Drive, Picnic Area, River Lostock, Parkland and agricultural land, Woodlands, Lake/reservoir, Victorian Pinetum/American Garden and Walled Orchard, Ruins of Lower Kem Mill Bleach and Dye Works, Wildlife including woodpeckers, kingfishers, great crested newts and dragonflies, Wildflower meadows, bluebell woods and many other plants.

Café/Restaurant on site at the Sue Ryder Home in Cuerden Hall.





I still have to transfer some more photographs from Chiiping and Settle, I'll do my best to put them on tomorrow evening.




That's my memory input.

[Mathos]

Originally Posted by Happyman

There is a settlement and field system 500 yards from the the right-hand side of the A65 near Austwick but the contours don't look right

Would like to see photos of that bit of wall at the top !!!

should be able to tell if it is a recent (last 1000 years) or Iron Age construction !
the bonding of the drystone walls are like a living history book !! to me anyway !!!

Leave it with me Happyman, I'll be back up there probably during September.

I'll get you more detail and a few more photographs from the top of the hill.



I had stopped on the road, to take this particular photograph which in all honesty looked a lot better in the affordable day light.

It was then looking to the right that I noticed and felt somewhat drawn to the area with the 'special effects'

It appeared obvious to me, that there had been something there in the long ago, the position guaranteed it as being a somewhat defensive type of look out point alone.

I was taking advantage of the view from a photographic point of view, they were probably depending on their lives for it.

[Happyman]

Look forward to any info on this one ( and any other "old" looking lumps and bumps !!)

Cheers !

That steep hill near the place does not fit in with the O.S. map contours - curiouser and curiouser ( Alice in Wonderland !! LOL)

[wanderering walter]

Originally Posted by Mathos

should be able to tell if it is a recent (last 1000 years) or Iron Age construction !

1000 Years recent!!!! Bloodyhell!!! how come you know so much Happyman???

Funny thing about Rathbone and Flynn being good swordsmen both are Sun Sign Gemini,s ,a sign associated with Mental and Manual Dexterity!!
Walter

[Happyman]

Originally Posted by wanderering walter

1000 Years recent!!!! Bloodyhell!!! how come you know so much Happyman???


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Was brought up on Dartmoor amongst stone rows, hut circles, hill forts, prehistoric tin workings etc,
Was taught all I know about ancient and drystone wall construction before I was 9 by an old man ( ex tin miner) who repaired stonework for local farms and the National Trust on the moor.
My mother was an archaeologist and field guide for ancient monuments on the moor- working for the British Museum.
Brother followed in her footsteps.

Have been fascinated by things like that ever since !!



PS. Still have the stone splitting hammer the old boy gave me after I helped him repair a wall at Grimspound (Bronze age settlement on Dartmoor The Megalithic Portal and Megalith Map: Grimspound Ancient Village or Settlement )
Hammer has a head about 8"long - weighs about a pound and a half-- square at one end and like a chisel at the other - on a slender whippy shaft ( yew?) about as thick as a broom stick and 4 ft long .
The knack in using it was to swing the hammer and stop it just before it hit the stone ( like cracking a whip) - the whippy shaft flexed and the chisel end hammer head just "pecked" the stone on the line you wanted and did not shatter it !
After a few whacks it would split on the line you had pecked - just like magic !!
The square end was used to trim off sticking out bits when the wall was finished.

[wanderering walter]

Fascinating!!!

[Mathos]

Happyman wrote:-

Was brought up on Dartmoor amongst stone rows, hut circles, hill forts, prehistoric tin workings etc,
Was taught all I know about ancient and drystone wall construction before I was 9 by an old man ( ex tin miner) who repaired stonework for local farms and the National Trust on the moor.
My mother was an archaeologist and field guide for ancient monuments on the moor- working for the British Museum.
Brother followed in her footsteps.

Have been fascinated by things like that ever since !!



PS. Still have the stone splitting hammer the old boy gave me after I helped him repair a wall at Grimspound (Bronze age settlement on Dartmoor The Megalithic Portal and Megalith Map: Grimspound Ancient Village or Settlement )
Hammer has a head about 8"long - weighs about a pound and a half-- square at one end and like a chisel at the other - on a slender whippy shaft ( yew?) about as thick as a broom stick and 4 ft long .
The knack in using it was to swing the hammer and stop it just before it hit the stone ( like cracking a whip) - the whippy shaft flexed and the chisel end hammer head just "pecked" the stone on the line you wanted and did not shatter it !
After a few whacks it would split on the line you had pecked - just like magic !!
The square end was used to trim off sticking out bits when the wall was finished.

That is an amazing background Happyman and one you should be very proud of.

Walter said:- Fascinating

I'll second that, and thanks for the leads,


the Megalithic Portal site is extremely interesting.

The Megalithic Portal and Megalith Map: Grimspound Ancient Village or Settlement


It's quite amazing really how I have been looking at various sites since following the lead you gave some weeks back.

It gave me a totally different head. I'll keep my eyes open even more so now.

[Mathos]

Just a couple or more items to post tonight, I have a fair bit on at present but wanted to put these items on the thread.




Garstang is an extremely beautiful Lancashire Village. I intend spending a few hours in town one of these days, there are some very interesting places and buildings to photograph.

The ones here are simply taken from a flying pass through.




There is some good information on this very old Historical market town, I'm sure many will find it interesting too.


Exploring Garstang

Garstang is a small and friendly market town covered in history. It is perfect for relaxed shopping trips, lazy picnics, teashop treats and traditional pub lunches.

Every Thursday the town is busy with the hustle and bustle of market day, dating back to 1310 and it still has many stalls taking over High Street.

The ruins of Greenhalgh Castle can be seen over the River Wyre and the historic narrow alleyways (weinds) provide an interesting and unexpected diversion to hidden shops, restaurants and cafes.

The scenic Lancaster Canal is a popular venue for riverbank walks or a leisurely sail on a canal boat. Walkers can ramble through the hills to the Forest of Bowland, which is a designated area of outstanding natural beauty where you can enjoy breathtaking scenery.

Hearty homemade food in historic inns and friendly pubs is available and must be experienced. Whether you wish to explore by car, bicycle or on foot, Garstang is the perfect destination for all seasons.




WALKING

Garstang is the starting point for a diverse range of walking routes that traverse through beautiful pasture and woodland at the edge of the River Wyre and the picturesque towpath of the Lancaster Canal.


The Wyre Way is a long distance recreational route, which links the sea at Morecambe Bay with the Forest of Bowland, passing through Garstang. The local riverside walk, a circular trail suitable for all, links the Discovery Centre with the riverside picnic area, the Garstang Millennium Green and the River Wyre.


We have 3 circular walking routes around Garstang that you can download by clicking on the links below.

Garstang and Lancaster Canal (PDF)

Garstang Castle Walk (PDF)

Garstang and Barnacre Walk (PDF)

The countryside rangers lead a variety of short and long distance walks linking the Lancaster canal, Forest of Bowland, surrounding countryside and neighbouring villages. For more information the routes and ranger-led events please click here. (2mb PDF)


The Garstang town trail is currently being developed and will be published in the autumn.



PICNICKING

There is an attractive riverside picnic area on the banks of the River Wyre next to the High Street car park, which gives lovely views of the castle, and Forest of Bowland. The riverside trail runs from the main car park through to the Millennium Green and allows for lovely views of the Bowland Fells. The Millennium Green is an area of rural open space along the River Wyre owned and managed by the Garstang Millennium Green Trust. It has level surfaced paths and sculptures as well as areas of long grass managed for wild flowers.

BOATING

The Lancaster Canal is navigable for 41 miles, and winds through some of the most spectacular scenery in the North West of England. Being a contour canal, the full length of the canal is lock free - the longest stretch in the country, making it popular for the experienced and novice alike. For those seeking a more challenging journey, there are six locks on the Glasson arm bringing you to Glasson Port in Morecambe Bay.


There are several hire bases on the canal, so you can rent a boat for a week's cruising - or, following the construction of the Millennium Ribble Link, you can also now bring your own boat from anywhere else on the waterway system. Maximum boat dimensions on the Lancaster Canal itself are 72ft (length), 14ft (width), 8ft (headroom) and 3ft (draught), but please note the Ribble Link and the Leeds & Liverpool Rufford Branch are more limiting. For more information visit www.waterscape.com.


CYCLING

Bicycles can be hired from Owd Nells, Guys Thatched Hamlet, Bilsborrow, Preston Tel: 01995 640010 or Garstang Marina, Garstang Tel: 01995 600920.
The Bowland by Bike route guide can be found by clicking here. For more information visit www.cyclemaps.org.uk.





CANOEING


Canoeing is a great way to explore the waterway, and if you're keen to try the sport, a number of clubs which use the canal. You can ring either Garstang Canoe Club on 01772 861771. For more general information call the British Canoe Union on 0115 982 1100.


Being a contour canal, with 41 miles of flat water, the Lancaster Canal is ideal for canoeing and the use of other unpowered craft. It is ideally suited to Duke of Edinburgh expeditions and other outdoor schemes. The local waterway office can give advice on access and waterside campsites and give access to sanitary facilities if needed.


Please be aware, however, that you need a permit to use the canal. If you are a member of the British Canoe Union, this permit is included in your membership. If you are not in the BCU, please ring the Waterway Office to discuss your requirements.

As you can see there is plenty to keep a person, family or group occupied in the area.

[Mathos]

We were on one of the small country roads when we saw the cow and calf coming towards us followed by the farmer on his quad, it was raining quite heavily.

We stopped to allow the group to pass by safely, and took the photograph through the car windscreen.

{Sorry about the quality}

As the farmer drew alongside, I simply asked him how old the calf was.





"About two hours or so" he replied.



Amazing isn't it.


These were very attractive looking cottages too.

The windows are fascinating.





It's the small things you notice combined with real country life



If you left goods like this on an exterior window-sill in most towns I am familiar with, they wouldn't be there for five minutes.




Nice old building here as well.

It's good to seed conversions carried out with concern in retaining as much as possible of the originality of the buildings.


Another very attractive looking conversion here as well with a great amount of the opriginality retained.



That is really beautiful.

We have just been talking about which way to head out tomorrow, the weather isn't going to be so brilliant again according to the general forecast.

Never mind, we will make the most of it.

[wanderering walter]

Originally Posted by Happyman

On the slope below are good examples of lychetts or cultivation terraces where they would have grown oats or barley

In my Trialing days we used to ride in the Sedburgh area, the trial was a loop in the hills around, (back of beyond) there was one section incorporating those terrace like features on a hill around 200 FT from top to bottam, I remember thinking as to how that feature got formed!! now I know,

[wanderering walter]

Originally Posted by Mathos

We were on one of the small country roads when we saw the cow and calf coming towards us followed by the farmer on his quad, it was raining quite heavily. We stopped to allow the group to pass by safely, and took the photograph through the car windscreen. {Sorry about the quality} As the farmer drew alongside, I simply asked him how old the calf was. "About two hours or so" he replied. Amazing isn't it. These were very attractive looking cottages too. The windows are fascinating. It's the small things you notice combined with real country life If you left goods like this on an exterior window-sill in most towns I am familiar with, they wouldn't be there for five minutes

you know what! there,s something wrong with me, apart from the obvious! I could never steal from that window, but I could from the Government, the first is stealing, the latter retribution, there is a differance!! so is it your bringings up.experiance, or what that makes the differance?

[Mathos]

Originally Posted by wanderering walter

you know what! there,s something wrong with me, apart from the obvious! I could never steal from that window, but I could from the Government, the first is stealing, the latter retribution, there is a differance!! so is it your bringings up.experiance, or what that makes the differance?

Basically Walter it all returns to the various issues I have previously raised on the thread with regards to Education and indeed interpretation.

In the synoptic gospels for instance there is a phrase attributed to Jesus which clearly states; 'Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things which are God's..

So how exactly is that particular phrase to be interpreted?

Is the lesson quite clearly stating that the law must be obeyed and taxes paid as and when due.

Because if it is, then any avoidance of taxation or attempting to fiddle the Government is wrong.

Or is the lesson stating that we should only submit to the authority of God?

Certain interpretations would state it is appropriate to submit to the Government when required and expected to do so.


As citizens we should surely be prepared to accept and abide by the laws of any Government which offers us it's protection and warmth.


All to often we hear;- 'It isn't fair' or 'Why should I pay'

The end result of all the population thinking and acting in such a manner would be disastrous to the Government and consequently our safety and well being would be in jeopardy.


The Status Quo is always rather difficult to accept in these matters. The point being of course that if a person gets away with a little. He will take a little more the next time and so on.

How retribution is interpreted is a matter of personal choice of course.

If a person has the authority to defraud the Government and there are numerous manners in which such actions can and do take place, he is in a manner taking from the population in general, encouraging tension and conflict even.

It could be said that such conflict is beneficial to society in general, a method and system of countermanding the actions is automatically encouraged and perhaps welcomed.

More job creation schemes are created, right down to the Prison Officer, who might just enjoy working you over, especially if his poor wife is not getting the expensive medication she should be receiving for her malignant illness due to Government 'cut backs.'