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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce
    Anyone (thai or farang) who rides a motorcycle in Thailand is merely a temporary terrestial, I reckon, considering three quarters of road fatalities here are bikers. Very sad.
    And most would be still be alive if they had a helmet on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keda
    Be more than fokin careful. 2 of my 3 post accident hospital visits happened whilst I was stationary, both with police witnesses, and both times money changed hands before I was free to go to the hospital. On the second occasion, the other rider was wearing no helmet and had no dl (therefore no insurance cover), and would've driven straight through where I was if I wasn't there, but through some convoluted roadside reasoning it was decided the farang should pay for damage to moron's bike because, according to tilak du jour, he can afford to.
    Carry a number for a good lawer in you pocket and call him/her striaght away and give the phone to the police and watch them back down pretty quick. Believe me it works

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce
    Motorcyclists are temporary, it's that simple, the only question is when you go down and if you get up again
    yes I am counting the days till I died. Yep ride a bike and your a dead man. Give me a break

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    Disturbing, but not news to anyone who has been to LoS...

    Road traffic injuries in Thailand: Trends, selected underlying determinants and status of intervention[/b]

    Paibul Suriyawongpaisal and Somchai Kanchanasut
    Abstract:
    Injuries and deaths from traffic crashes have become a major public health and socio-economic problem in Thailand. Injuries, fatalities and economic losses due to traffic crashes have increased with the rising level of motorization. This study analyzes hospital-based data compiled by the Ministry of Public Health, data compiled by the National Police Office and data compiled by the traffic engineering division of the Department of Highways, Ministry of Transport and Communications. Analysis reveals that 70% of the people injured or killed in traffic crashes are aged 10-39. Men are at four to five times higher risk of death and injury due to traffic crashes than women. The number and rate of traffic injury in Thailand swung from a record low during the economic recovery in the 1980ís to record a high during the bubble economy, then declined with the economic crisis in 1997. The economic costs were estimated at U.S.$1.6 billion in 1995. An urban-rural difference in traffic injuries has been recorded with a higher rural case-fatality rate. A number of known behavioral risk factors have been identified, i.e., drunk driving, speeding, substance abuse and failure to use helmets and seat belts. However, determinants of behavior need further investigation. Hazardous road locations have also been mapped. Trends of traffic injuries seem to follow trends of economic growth. Without effective policy and implementation programs to control the determinants, it is expected that traffic injuries will increase as the country recovers from economic crisis. A major pitfall to many current government programs is that they incorporate no systematic evaluation. The fragmented structure of road safety authorities further complicates collaboration and coordination. A broad coalition of stakeholders is needed to catalyze policy action.


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    Quote Originally Posted by keda
    drunk driving, speeding, substance abuse and failure to use helmets and seat belts.
    Oops...I always used a helmet when I lived in BKK though.

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    Ok I have been looking at the pictures, the dead guy aint been moved and aint wearing a crash helmet, no pictures of a loose crash helmet anywhere, he is leaking out of his ears and most of his head, I don't think an open face helmet would have saved him but I do think a full face helmet would have saved his life, something to think about, dont forget he was only waiting to turn right so it wern't his fault....

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    OK link to his death picture, this aint for the faint hearted, lots of blood and gore.

    http://onfinite.com/libraries/107916...40/405/181.jpg

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    Got to admit I am really anti bikes now, when I first got here I leased a 400 trials bike then had a 400 racing bike, but seeing so many dead on the roads of Thailand it is slowly putting me off bikes, I still use the galfriends 125 thingy and now drive like an old granny, my car, hell I don't mind taking that upto 200km, but bikes I am really starting to hate now.

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    Yesterday a friend of mine who is a member of this board had some family friends involved in a major accident, they were waiting to cross the road on their bike and sidecar, 2 kids and husband and wife, a car wiped them out doing a uturn as he swerved all the way across the road, the 2 year old baby was killed, the 3 year old is in hospital ICU, the parents aint that badly injured, the car driver offered 6,000baht for the funeral, thats how much your life is worth, so dont ride bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    Yesterday a friend of mine who is a member of this board had some family friends involved in a major accident, they were waiting to cross the road on their bike and sidecar, 2 kids and husband and wife, a car wiped them out doing a uturn as he swerved all the way across the road, the 2 year old baby was killed, the 3 year old is in hospital ICU, the parents aint that badly injured, the car driver offered 6,000baht for the funeral, thats how much your life is worth, so dont ride bikes.
    Tragic story! And by no means trying to detract from it at all but with that kind of stupidity (by the car doing the U-turn) there's scope for injury (and death) regardless of what you're riding on or driving in.

    It's all the more senseless when it's young children involved, such a waste. I cringe every time I see a kid here on a bike without a helmet (or a kid standing on their parents lap in the front seat of a car, unrestrained, for that matter. What the fock is all that about!?!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    It's all the more senseless when it's young children involved, such a waste. I cringe every time I see a kid here on a bike without a helmet (or a kid standing on their parents lap in the front seat of a car, unrestrained, for that matter. What the fock is all that about!?!).
    My son is 14 now, I believe he is legally allowed to ride a motorbike, and no I wont let him, although at the age of 11 I was riding motorbikes and 15 I was riding a 250 enduro on the roads illegally, cant get the license till your 17, yes I know it is double standards but I dont want him to die, funny things parents aint they

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Yesterday a friend of mine who is a member of this board had some family friends involved in a major accident, they were waiting to cross the road on their bike and sidecar, 2 kids and husband and wife, a car wiped them out doing a uturn as he swerved all the way across the road, the 2 year old baby was killed, the 3 year old is in hospital ICU, the parents aint that badly injured, the car driver offered 6,000baht for the funeral, thats how much your life is worth, so dont ride bikes.
    How can a car driver not see them when doing a U-turn?? Fucking crazy! My condolences to the family. I don't know what I would do in such a situation - after checking those left alive were in no danger I'd be tempted to rip throat out of the pickup driver.

    This also explains why a lot of bike riders wait on the left side of the road when wanting to turn right - it's too dangerous to hang around in the middle of the road.

    The only time I've nearly hit another pickup was when one did a U-turn in front of me. He was off the road on the left and indicated right. Then he slowly pulled onto the road, so it looked like he was simpy getting onto the road to go straight on, just like two other pickups had done a few seconds before him. But then he did a very slow U-turn. If it wasn't for my pickup's ABS, I would've hit him. But that was partially my fault - I assumed he was pulling onto the road when he wanted to do a U-turn. The fact that I was flashing my lights from 100 yards back doesn't excuse me - I broke the no. 1 rule: "Treat everyone else on the road as a blind, daft, prick who wants to die."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDN
    the no. 1 rule: "Treat everyone else on the road as a blind, daft, prick who wants to die."
    Excellent! Advice to live by that. Literally in some cases...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rigger
    yes I am counting the days till I died
    So, how many left then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_Smith View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rigger
    yes I am counting the days till I died
    So, how many left then?
    about 14300

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    ^^A tad over 39 years. You may get to see the end of the world hooray!

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    Just a question for DD...


    What the fuck were you taking photos of the dead guy for, anyway?


    Fucking bizarre thing to do...




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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RDN
    the no. 1 rule: "Treat everyone else on the road as a blind, daft, prick who wants to die."
    Excellent! Advice to live by that. Literally in some cases...
    I taught my tilac to treat everyone on the road as though they are all lunatics that want to kill her.

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    ^^^Yes, compulsive paranoia does have an upside.

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    I have been riding a Big bike here for around 12 years, covered much of Thailand on it (and a bit of Malaysia) while you are never going to make a case for bikes being safer than cars. You can limit the risk by
    1. Wearing decent protective gear (the morons in Pattaya with the hire sport bikes and a plastic lid are at one end of the scale, me (also a moron) but always wearing a good full face and gloves and (mostly) good boots and impact Jacket. For a long trip, full leathers.
    2. You need survival skills,while these are difficult to explain, you just need to develop a 6th sense to predict what other riders/drivers are possibly about to do. Constant vigilance.
    3. Riding a bike requires a much greater range of skills than driving a box and you need to work on maintaining and improving these skills. I am a regular at Bira track, mainly to keep my ageing bike handling skills alive.

    Riding a bike for me anyway, is worth the additional risk, but I want to make it as safe as its possible.
    Lets face it, if you primary concern is safety and maximising your life span, you wouldn't travel in Thailand at all.
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    Norwegian out on bail after drunken hit-and-run accident almost loses arm in firework explosion
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    A Norwegian man out on bail after a hit-and-run accident that killed a British tourist on December 30 was badly injured when a firework exploded in his hand during New Year celebrations.
    Just after midnight on December 30, police at Khing Khong Taal sub-station received a report that a car had hit a motorcycle ridden by a foreign national, killing him. The accident happened in front of the View Talay Jomtien Condo sales office on Thappraya Road.
    Officers went to the scene where they found the body of 52-year-old Jimmy Hassim, a British national, lying face down in a pool of blood next to his blue JRD motorcycle. He had died immediately from severe head injuries. Police transferred the body to Banglamung Hospital.
    Witnesses said the deceased was driving the motorcycle from Pattaya and was about to turn into the condominium when a Toyota Sports car speeding from the direction of Jomtien hit the bike and sped off along Thappraya Road towards Pattaya.
    Officers called for assistance and the car was stopped at the Pratamnak Hill intersection. The front bumper was bent in, the windscreen was smashed and there were traces of blood on the front of the vehicle.
    There was only one person in the car, the driver, later identified as Hans Bjorger Mobraten, 58, of Norway. Mobraten was allegedly drunk and at first refused to get out of the vehicle, but as police could see a bottle of alcohol in the car, police took Mobraten into custody and gave him a breathalyzer test. He was found to have an alcohol reading of 280 milligrams. The legal limit is 50. Mobraten allegedly kept shouting that he wasnít drunk, but police locked him up in a cell and charged him with drunken driving causing the death of a third party.
    The following day, December 31 at 1 p.m., Mobraten placed 200,000 baht bail which was approved by the investigating officer, Pol Lt Col Taylert Loepoe, and he left police custody.
    At 00.20 hrs on January 1, Pol Col Suthin Sappuang, commander of Pattaya Police received a report that a foreigner had been seriously injured in a fireworks explosion in the soi next to Jomtien Complex Condo, on Jomtien Beach Road. He went to investigate with Pol Lt Col Sirichai Khruprasetwattana and a team of officers.
    At the scene the officers found Hans Bjorger Mobraten badly injured in front of a bar at the condo. He had suffered a huge gash to his left arm and the bones were shattered. He had also suffered gunpowder burns. Sawang Boriboon rescue workers gave first aid treatment before taking him to Bangkok Pattaya Hospital.
    Mrs Anita Forberg, 59, the injured manís wife told officers that they were celebrating the New Year countdown and bought two rockets for 1,500 baht each from a vendor. Her husband lit one of the rockets and stood back, but it failed to go off. He walked back to investigate and picked it up. The firework exploded in his hand.
    Police are now looking for the vendor.

    Pattaya Mail

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    I'm astonished that the guy was in party mood.
    what an absolute fukker.
    He should be charged with first degree murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    Police are now looking for the vendor.
    Yes, they must make sure he does not to sell any more of those dangerous rockets

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    Police are now looking for the vendor.
    hopefully to give him a reward

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    alcohol reading of 280 milligrams.
    thats bloody high.

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