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    Whatever you do, don't criticise dumb fucks who can't defend themselves........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruby Murray View Post


    So, when a large majority of a religious group behave in a way not fitting and socially acceptable, how do we describe it, so as to not be offensive? Give me a clue here?
    "A large majority of a religious group behave in a way not fitting and socially acceptable".

    Not socially acceptable to who? The American Military? And just who are these large majority of a religious group? The radical Muslims opposing the US military are but a very small segment of the Muslim population worldwide.

    Now you give me a clue as to what the hell you are on about. A handful of radical Muslim fighters in Afghanistan no doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe View Post

    Says a man that has deluded himself into believing the biggest pack of lies that exist- those of a religious cult- you've been manipulated into the way you eat, the way many of you dress, the way you treat your women as inferior, the people you hate (Jews, Americans, etc.) have been chosen for you, etc., etc., etc...

    I used to think you were an OK guy, Fred, but you're as full of shit as the rest of them, no matter how hard you try to convince us otherwise.
    I eat as I chose to eat. The only dietary difference is no pig and only meat that has been killed with a prayer said to Allah. Sort of an apology for hurting a living creature.
    I do dress differently. It's hot here (Indonesia) so I tend to wear shorts and a singlet.
    When visiting somewhere more formal or working, it's a tie.
    My wife is her own person. She decides how to dress and what she wants to do.
    As a married couple, we talk about and agree on anything that effects us both or Michelle (Our kid). If one of us goes out, we tell the other where and how long we are expected to be. That's communication between two human beings.
    I don't hate yank bastards at all (joke). I simply turn round anti Muslim points to anti American points to show how stupid the bigotry is. Americans rape 3 year old kids and so on is about the same as Muslims all believe it's ok to fuck children.
    Both are true of a few but not most.
    As for Jews, why should I hate them? They are not all Israelis and not all Israelis are the bastards that their government are. That would be just as bad as hating all of any group for the actions of a few. I stayed with a Jewish woman a few weeks ago (not in the same bed). I have no reason to hate her at all.
    Be happy dudes. It's a lot more fun than crying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr Fred View Post
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    Says a man that has deluded himself into believing the biggest pack of lies that exist- those of a religious cult- you've been manipulated into the way you eat, the way many of you dress, the way you treat your women as inferior, the people you hate (Jews, Americans, etc.) have been chosen for you, etc., etc., etc...

    I used to think you were an OK guy, Fred, but you're as full of shit as the rest of them, no matter how hard you try to convince us otherwise.
    I eat as I chose to eat. The only dietary difference is no pig and only meat that has been killed with a prayer said to Allah. Sort of an apology for hurting a living creature.
    I do dress differently. It's hot here (Indonesia) so I tend to wear shorts and a singlet.
    When visiting somewhere more formal or working, it's a tie.
    My wife is her own person. She decides how to dress and what she wants to do.
    As a married couple, we talk about and agree on anything that effects us both or Michelle (Our kid). If one of us goes out, we tell the other where and how long we are expected to be. That's communication between two human beings.
    I don't hate yank bastards at all (joke). I simply turn round anti Muslim points to anti American points to show how stupid the bigotry is. Americans rape 3 year old kids and so on is about the same as Muslims all believe it's ok to fuck children.
    Both are true of a few but not most.
    As for Jews, why should I hate them? They are not all Israelis and not all Israelis are the bastards that their government are. That would be just as bad as hating all of any group for the actions of a few. I stayed with a Jewish woman a few weeks ago (not in the same bed). I have no reason to hate her at all.
    Hold on, that isn't what the prayer means.....surely the best way for you to get your message across is to be factually accurate. I met a nice Jewish guy in Doha the other day ;-)

    PS, Shorts, singlet and a tie would look very silly. Do you work for Amway?

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    You seize a living creature, bring it home and kill its body. You read “Bismillah” and kill the animal in Allah’s name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr Fred View Post
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    So everyone's an idiot then Mr Fred, still waiting to hear how you can defend the vile conduct of the founder of your chosen religion. There is some excuse for the poor devils born into it, but I feel somebody like you should really be explaining why you became a Muslim, why you think it's a force for good in the world and how you can ignore the evidence from your own Islamic scriptures of the disgusting life Mohamad chose to lead.
    If you look at life in those countries 1,500 years ago, that stuff was normal.
    Today it's 'normal' for blokes to marry. Things change.

    As for explaining, I already have if you search.
    Well it was not 1500 years ago and no, marrying six year olds and screwing them when were nine was not normal even then. Murdering other tribes, attacking trading caravans and pillaging was normal, but people running gangs like that did not go onto found a religion by lying about revelations from God. One thing that does not change about Muslims is there squirming with awkwardness when the life of the so called prophet is raised. So you admit he fucked a nine year old, held slaves, murdered and ordered murder, had at least 12 wives and at first promised peace with other religions only to order his thugs to push them all out of Arabia. What a strange idea of the 'perfect man' Things do change he would be in a mental hospital or prison today.

    I missed you explanation, please provide a link

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo333 View Post
    I truly believe if we do not put a stop to the islamification of society soon, then we will be facing complete domination by this evil “religion” and the freedoms that our fathers and grandfathers fought for will be gone.
    Odd again. WW2 was fought (in Europe) against an extreme right winger who wanted to rid society of a group of sub humans who they claimed were ruining their society. Britain and other countries were eventually joined by the US in defeating this evil.

    I suspect those that died to fight that crap would be turning in their graves at a new group wanting to do what they fought against but with a new target group of sub humans to hate.

    What you need to do is read a little history. Every extreme government that has an enemy always fucks up their own country. Take your pick from Nazi Germany, The USSR, Taliban run Afghanistan or Iran under that lot who have power at the moment.
    Look at Burma if you want one that is up at running at the moment.
    Race, creed, colour or whatever is not the problem, it's fucking idiots that need to hate someone before they feel right. What they all have in common is a fucked up country and a lot of graves after a few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stalking Tosser View Post
    The key is being able to recognize one's own bigotry, when you do, it isn't bigotry.

    It used to be anti Islamists were labeled 'racist' now the PC brigade always go for bigot when trying to defend the indefensible.How can anyone read Islamic scripture, see the dreadful consequences it has wrought on the world and then see something good this awful, backward, life hating rubbish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
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    So, when a large majority of a religious group behave in a way not fitting and socially acceptable, how do we describe it, so as to not be offensive? Give me a clue here?
    "A large majority of a religious group behave in a way not fitting and socially acceptable".

    Not socially acceptable to who? The American Military? And just who are these large majority of a religious group? The radical Muslims opposing the US military are but a very small segment of the Muslim population worldwide.

    Now you give me a clue as to what the hell you are on about. A handful of radical Muslim fighters in Afghanistan no doubt.
    Nah, there is a difference, many Americans have expressed their contempt at the actions of their government, trouble is, you won't here many muslims criticising Islam, but then, they wouldn't....2010 and they believe that gorging themselves half to death, will give them a feeling of what it's like to be poor. Trouble is, no one told the poor not to bother as they wouldn't notice the difference. Hehehehe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr Fred
    What you need to do is read a little history
    If you had you would know Hitler was very pally with your Islamist friends, they hated the same 'sub humans'

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr Fred View Post
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    I truly believe if we do not put a stop to the islamification of society soon, then we will be facing complete domination by this evil “religion” and the freedoms that our fathers and grandfathers fought for will be gone.
    Odd again. WW2 was fought (in Europe) against an extreme right winger who wanted to rid society of a group of sub humans who they claimed were ruining their society. Britain and other countries were eventually joined by the US in defeating this evil.

    I suspect those that died to fight that crap would be turning in their graves at a new group wanting to do what they fought against but with a new target group of sub humans to hate.

    What you need to do is read a little history. Every extreme government that has an enemy always fucks up their own country. Take your pick from Nazi Germany, The USSR, Taliban run Afghanistan or Iran under that lot who have power at the moment.
    Look at Burma if you want one that is up at running at the moment.
    Race, creed, colour or whatever is not the problem, it's fucking idiots that need to hate someone before they feel right. What they all have in common is a fucked up country and a lot of graves after a few years.
    Oh purleassse, come on, it's just a tad more complicated than that. Explain to me in simple terms how any religion can issue a fatwa (read death sentance) on any person who happens to disagree with their views? Please, tell me.

    My transformation is also complete, papers in......not muslim anymore, see, we paid another good muslim to lose a few bits of paper, wife is Jewish, I have become a Seventh Day Wonder. Dog has become Hindu but we can't find a turban for him.

    I rather like the new user name - thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
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    So, any of the large percentage of Muslims who hate Jews and think they're all evil (these feelings are of course reciprocated) are persons of VERY weak character.

    I can't feel much sympathy or empathy for these particular individuals (or their apologists).
    I dont think the Palestinian Muslims so much hate Jews as they want them to stop invading and stealing their land and homes. And oh yea, to stop killing Palestinians too.
    Jews and Muslims lived peacefully in Palestine for many centuries before the western military forces created the state of Israel after WW2.

    Jews and Muslims have also lived peacefully for many hundreds of years in Iran and even have a Jewish MP there.
    You still don't get it, do you, Panda? It's simply not possible that you can't, which is why I agree with crazy dog that you simply don't want to.

    Land has nothing to do with Palestinian hatred for the Jews; it is not an issue. It is a distraction, and your post is proof that it is an effective distraction. Palestinians hate the Jews because they are Jews and Allah commanded them to destroy the Jews. Is there any part of that you do not understand?

    It is not only the Palestinians but the entire Muslim world that hates the Jews, because that is what Mohamed demanded of good Muslims, on behalf of the false god Allah. You probably know that already even if you cannot bring yourself to admit it, not even to yourself.

    Don't get carried away (or do, up to you) with the pc chorus that it's only a few extremist nutters that preach hatred and hellfire. Most of these people have been drugged by Islam since birth, and sincerely believe it is their duty as good Muslims to impose their perfect system upon the nonbeliever. Most of them, probably close to all of them, believe in the afterlife at Allah's right hand, where virgins are aplenty and rivers flow with honey and wine. Yes wine, unless the word of god has a typo.

    Muslims teach their children to hate, their children teach their children, and thus the madness of one man is perpetuated. This is the way of Islam, it is the way Islam has always been, an ideology of hate, turmoil, murder, mayhem and bloodshed. Denying it changes nothing.

    As for your claim that Jews and Muslims lived peacefully in Palestine for many centuries, it may come as a shock to you but that is simply not possible, since there has never been a nation by that name. Not ever, except of course in the minds of those that select tidbits of media fiction to satisfy their own needs and prejudices.

    Not sure what point you are scrambling to make regarding the Jewish Iranian PM, but I hold my breath wondering if you sincerely believe that person has any influence at all in Iranian affairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stalking Tosser
    Explain to me in simple terms how any religion can issue a fatwa (read death sentance) on any person who happens to disagree with their views? Please, tell me.
    The logic would appear to be if it was common to do it '1500' years ago then it's OK for today.

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    I rather like the new user name - thanks.
    Knob Gobbler was already taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keda View Post
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    So, any of the large percentage of Muslims who hate Jews and think they're all evil (these feelings are of course reciprocated) are persons of VERY weak character.

    I can't feel much sympathy or empathy for these particular individuals (or their apologists).
    I dont think the Palestinian Muslims so much hate Jews as they want them to stop invading and stealing their land and homes. And oh yea, to stop killing Palestinians too.
    Jews and Muslims lived peacefully in Palestine for many centuries before the western military forces created the state of Israel after WW2.

    Jews and Muslims have also lived peacefully for many hundreds of years in Iran and even have a Jewish MP there.
    You still don't get it, do you, Panda? It's simply not possible that you can't, which is why I agree with crazy dog that you simply don't want to.

    Land has nothing to do with Palestinian hatred for the Jews; it is not an issue. It is a distraction, and your post is proof that it is an effective distraction. Palestinians hate the Jews because they are Jews and Allah commanded them to destroy the Jews. Is there any part of that you do not understand?

    It is not only the Palestinians but the entire Muslim world that hates the Jews, because that is what Mohamed demanded of good Muslims, on behalf of the false god Allah. You probably know that already even if you cannot bring yourself to admit it, not even to yourself.

    Don't get carried away (or do, up to you) with the pc chorus that it's only a few extremist nutters that preach hatred and hellfire. Most of these people have been drugged by Islam since birth, and sincerely believe it is their duty as good Muslims to impose their perfect system upon the nonbeliever. Most of them, probably close to all of them, believe in the afterlife at Allah's right hand, where virgins are aplenty and rivers flow with honey and wine. Yes wine, unless the word of god has a typo.

    Muslims teach their children to hate, their children teach their children, and thus the madness of one man is perpetuated. This is the way of Islam, it is the way Islam has always been, an ideology of hate, turmoil, murder, mayhem and bloodshed. Denying it changes nothing.

    As for your claim that Jews and Muslims lived peacefully in Palestine for many centuries, it may come as a shock to you but that is simply not possible, since there has never been a nation by that name. Not ever, except of course in the minds of those that select tidbits of media fiction to satisfy their own needs and prejudices.

    Not sure what point you are scrambling to make regarding the Jewish Iranian PM, but I hold my breath wondering if you sincerely believe that person has any influence at all in Iranian affairs.
    Fuck - I forgot - MERDEKA!


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    This guy seems to have got the idea......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Yanks love their wars in the name of expanding empire. But they have always got to have a bogeyman to vilify in order to justify it. Yesterday it was the Communist peril, now its the Muslim peril. Evil people who must be killed, destroyed and eliminated. Not much has changed really.

    Just sad that its such a weakness of human character to get sucked in to war propaganda to the point where they develop so much hate they are prepared to gleefully support and condone the immoral murder of other human beings.
    Which expanding empire are you referring to, Panda? Has the US tried to annex Iraq in my absence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stalking Tosser View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by keda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe View Post
    So, any of the large percentage of Muslims who hate Jews and think they're all evil (these feelings are of course reciprocated) are persons of VERY weak character.

    I can't feel much sympathy or empathy for these particular individuals (or their apologists).
    I dont think the Palestinian Muslims so much hate Jews as they want them to stop invading and stealing their land and homes. And oh yea, to stop killing Palestinians too.
    Jews and Muslims lived peacefully in Palestine for many centuries before the western military forces created the state of Israel after WW2.

    Jews and Muslims have also lived peacefully for many hundreds of years in Iran and even have a Jewish MP there.
    You still don't get it, do you, Panda? It's simply not possible that you can't, which is why I agree with crazy dog that you simply don't want to.

    Land has nothing to do with Palestinian hatred for the Jews; it is not an issue. It is a distraction, and your post is proof that it is an effective distraction. Palestinians hate the Jews because they are Jews and Allah commanded them to destroy the Jews. Is there any part of that you do not understand?

    It is not only the Palestinians but the entire Muslim world that hates the Jews, because that is what Mohamed demanded of good Muslims, on behalf of the false god Allah. You probably know that already even if you cannot bring yourself to admit it, not even to yourself.

    Don't get carried away (or do, up to you) with the pc chorus that it's only a few extremist nutters that preach hatred and hellfire. Most of these people have been drugged by Islam since birth, and sincerely believe it is their duty as good Muslims to impose their perfect system upon the nonbeliever. Most of them, probably close to all of them, believe in the afterlife at Allah's right hand, where virgins are aplenty and rivers flow with honey and wine. Yes wine, unless the word of god has a typo.

    Muslims teach their children to hate, their children teach their children, and thus the madness of one man is perpetuated. This is the way of Islam, it is the way Islam has always been, an ideology of hate, turmoil, murder, mayhem and bloodshed. Denying it changes nothing.

    As for your claim that Jews and Muslims lived peacefully in Palestine for many centuries, it may come as a shock to you but that is simply not possible, since there has never been a nation by that name. Not ever, except of course in the minds of those that select tidbits of media fiction to satisfy their own needs and prejudices.

    Not sure what point you are scrambling to make regarding the Jewish Iranian PM, but I hold my breath wondering if you sincerely believe that person has any influence at all in Iranian affairs.
    Fuck - I forgot - MERDEKA!


    Because of the love of woman, circumcision is done; I don't believe in it, O Siblings of Destiny. If God wished me to be a Muslim, it would be cut off by itself. ||2|| If circumcision makes one a Muslim, then what about a woman? She is the other half of a man's body, and she does not leave him, so he remains a Hindu. ||3|| Give up your holy books (Quran and Hadiths), and remember the Lord, you fool, and stop oppressing others so badly. Kabeer has grasped hold of the Lord's Support, and the Muslims have have been lost in hypocrisy. ||4||8|| (Ang 477)


    This guy seems to have got the idea......
    Huh??? Stalking yourself, are you, Tosser?

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    I hope not, it wouldn't really work would it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
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    So, any of the large percentage of Muslims who hate Jews and think they're all evil (these feelings are of course reciprocated) are persons of VERY weak character.

    I can't feel much sympathy or empathy for these particular individuals (or their apologists).
    I dont think the Palestinian Muslims so much hate Jews as they want them to stop invading and stealing their land and homes. And oh yea, to stop killing Palestinians too.
    Jews and Muslims lived peacefully in Palestine for many centuries before the western military forces created the state of Israel after WW2.

    Jews and Muslims have also lived peacefully for many hundreds of years in Iran and even have a Jewish MP there.
    You still don't get it, do you, Panda? It's simply not possible that you can't, which is why I agree with crazy dog that you simply don't want to.

    Land has nothing to do with Palestinian hatred for the Jews; it is not an issue. It is a distraction, and your post is proof that it is an effective distraction. Palestinians hate the Jews because they are Jews and Allah commanded them to destroy the Jews. Is there any part of that you do not understand?

    It is not only the Palestinians but the entire Muslim world that hates the Jews, because that is what Mohamed demanded of good Muslims, on behalf of the false god Allah. You probably know that already even if you cannot bring yourself to admit it, not even to yourself.

    Don't get carried away (or do, up to you) with the pc chorus that it's only a few extremist nutters that preach hatred and hellfire. Most of these people have been drugged by Islam since birth, and sincerely believe it is their duty as good Muslims to impose their perfect system upon the nonbeliever. Most of them, probably close to all of them, believe in the afterlife at Allah's right hand, where virgins are aplenty and rivers flow with honey and wine. Yes wine, unless the word of god has a typo.

    Muslims teach their children to hate, their children teach their children, and thus the madness of one man is perpetuated. This is the way of Islam, it is the way Islam has always been, an ideology of hate, turmoil, murder, mayhem and bloodshed. Denying it changes nothing.

    As for your claim that Jews and Muslims lived peacefully in Palestine for many centuries, it may come as a shock to you but that is simply not possible, since there has never been a nation by that name. Not ever, except of course in the minds of those that select tidbits of media fiction to satisfy their own needs and prejudices.

    Not sure what point you are scrambling to make regarding the Jewish Iranian PM, but I hold my breath wondering if you sincerely believe that person has any influence at all in Iranian affairs.
    Fuck - I forgot - MERDEKA!


    Because of the love of woman, circumcision is done; I don't believe in it, O Siblings of Destiny. If God wished me to be a Muslim, it would be cut off by itself. ||2|| If circumcision makes one a Muslim, then what about a woman? She is the other half of a man's body, and she does not leave him, so he remains a Hindu. ||3|| Give up your holy books (Quran and Hadiths), and remember the Lord, you fool, and stop oppressing others so badly. Kabeer has grasped hold of the Lord's Support, and the Muslims have have been lost in hypocrisy. ||4||8|| (Ang 477)


    This guy seems to have got the idea......

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy dog View Post
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    What you need to do is read a little history
    If you had you would know Hitler was very pally with your Islamist friends, they hated the same 'sub humans'
    I'm aware of that. Some Muslims saw mass murder of Jews as a plus. Of course they would have soon regretted it had Hitler won. They would have been the next enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stalking Tosser View Post
    The key is being able to recognize one's own bigotry, when you do, it isn't bigotry.

    Well mr Fred & Moonraker I guess I am not a bigot anymore, what a relief!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge View Post
    ...Don't even get me onto the Crusades.
    It would be off topic and probably antagonise the people with the buttons, but yes let's talk about the Crusades.

    Go on, stat a new thread and fire away...

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    Quote Originally Posted by keda View Post

    You still don't get it, do you, Panda? It's simply not possible that you can't, which is why I agree with crazy dog that you simply don't want to.

    Land has nothing to do with Palestinian hatred for the Jews; it is not an issue. It is a distraction, and your post is proof that it is an effective distraction. Palestinians hate the Jews because they are Jews and Allah commanded them to destroy the Jews. Is there any part of that you do not understand?

    It is not only the Palestinians but the entire Muslim world that hates the Jews, because that is what Mohamed demanded of good Muslims, on behalf of the false god Allah. You probably know that already even if you cannot bring yourself to admit it, not even to yourself.

    Don't get carried away (or do, up to you) with the pc chorus that it's only a few extremist nutters that preach hatred and hellfire. Most of these people have been drugged by Islam since birth, and sincerely believe it is their duty as good Muslims to impose their perfect system upon the nonbeliever. Most of them, probably close to all of them, believe in the afterlife at Allah's right hand, where virgins are aplenty and rivers flow with honey and wine. Yes wine, unless the word of god has a typo.

    Muslims teach their children to hate, their children teach their children, and thus the madness of one man is perpetuated. This is the way of Islam, it is the way Islam has always been, an ideology of hate, turmoil, murder, mayhem and bloodshed. Denying it changes nothing.

    As for your claim that Jews and Muslims lived peacefully in Palestine for many centuries, it may come as a shock to you but that is simply not possible, since there has never been a nation by that name. Not ever, except of course in the minds of those that select tidbits of media fiction to satisfy their own needs and prejudices.

    Not sure what point you are scrambling to make regarding the Jewish Iranian PM, but I hold my breath wondering if you sincerely believe that person has any influence at all in Iranian affairs.
    OH, that tired old argument again about Palestine not being a properly organized and recognized nation when a large chunk of it was handed over to the Jewish settlers by the victorious allies after WW2. The Palestinian Territory was a British protectorate back then and hadn't reached formal nationhood with a unified government, banking system and military etc.. But prior to 1948, neither was there a recognized nation of Israel. There were Jews living side by side with Muslims in Palestine for many hundreds of years prior to the formation of Israel, just as there are today in Iran.

    From about the late 1800s European and American Jewish immigrants tried to colonize parts of the Palestinian territory. This led to fighting between the local residents and the newcomers. Ill will based on religion between Muslims and Jews started there in modern times. After the Brits gave away part of the Palestinian Territory to create the state of Israel in 1948 the tensions between Jews and Muslims in the area increased dramatically, culminating in the 1967 Six Day War. A war in which Israel made a preemptive strike against allied Muslim nations and resulting in the Israeli occupation and secondment of much more Palestinian land. An occupation that has internationally been declared as illegal under international law.

    Initially, shortly after 1948, immigrant Jews actually legitimately purchased some land from the Palestinian residents. But there were ongoing skirmishes between the two when immigrant Jews occupied Palestinian land under force of arms.
    The Brits tried to keep the peace in the Palestinian Territory at the time, but were eventually driven out of the picture by Jewish radicals using bombs and terrorist tactics.

    Year by year the Israelis have gradually encroached further and further into Palestinian Territory, claiming the land for themselves. Backed, armed and funded by the USA, the Israelis have been able to occupy and claim more and more Palestinian land as the years progress. Much of the Palestinian population have now been forced off their land and out of their homes into refugee enclaves which have grown into overcrowded cities.

    As much as people like Keda would like to portray the struggle of the Palestinians as a religious conflict with origins in the Muslim creed, it is really a struggle of people to hold on to their land and their homes against an overwhelming military force.
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    Surely the Palestinians are their own worse enemy when it comes to hanging on to their land, or what they claim is their land. They could have had it all settled in the 1940's and become a nation state if they had accepted UN proposals, but they just could not accept the state of Israel, could not compromise, could not bear the thought of living next to an Jewish state and preferred to become the outcasts and play the victim, but they are victims of their own intolerance and stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazy dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mr Fred
    What you need to do is read a little history
    If you had you would know Hitler was very pally with your Islamist friends, they hated the same 'sub humans'
    Hitler was very pally with the British as well up until a point!

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