Thread: US War plans red and orange.

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That's the thing though, they are only invasion plans. They usually haven't got a clue what to do after that.

Originally Posted by mr Fred

War Plan Red - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

GLASNOST Berlin - A 1935 US Plan for Invasion of Canada

1812 - War of 1812 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Madison and his advisers believed that conquest of Canada would be easy ....
............Americans then believed that many in Upper Canada would rise up and greet a United States invading army as liberators

Looks like US foreign policy hardly changes. Their arrogance continues to fuck themselves up as well.

I am trying to figure out how the war of 1812 figures in here




BTW, you skipped this part

Canadian military officer Lieutenant Colonel James "Buster" Sutherland Brown developed an earlier counterpart to War Plan Red called Defence Scheme No. 1 on April 12, 1921. Maintaining that the best defence was a good offense, "Buster" Brown planned for rapid deployment of flying columns to occupy Seattle, Great Falls, Minneapolis, and Albany. With no hope of holding these objectives, the idea was to divert American troops to the flanks and away from Canada, hopefully long enough for Imperial allies to arrive with reinforcements

Originally Posted by mr Fred

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What, do all yanks want to invade Canada?

This came up after speaking to a Canadian a few days ago. I wonder if his attitude to the US was mirrored by other Canadians and what the Americans on here thought about these things.
Is this almighty fuck up mentioned in US schools and so on?

It isn't mentioned in US history because it just isn't worth the breath of the professor.

When I was in Montreal I asked a waiter what his feeling about Americans, especially since they had tried to break away and the whole issue about language. His answer wsa we don't hate Americans, we hate english speaking Canadiens.

Originally Posted by pickel

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That's the thing though, they are only invasion plans. They usually haven't got a clue what to do after that.

You mean like d-day, Pattons taking of Italy, and then the Marshall plan.

Originally Posted by sccrhound

Originally Posted by mr Fred

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What, do all yanks want to invade Canada?

This came up after speaking to a Canadian a few days ago. I wonder if his attitude to the US was mirrored by other Canadians and what the Americans on here thought about these things.
Is this almighty fuck up mentioned in US schools and so on?

It isn't mentioned in US history because it just isn't worth the breath of the professor.

That's interesting since exactly the same thoughts about the welcome US forces would get in Canada were used in Iraq.
Perhaps history does hold lessons "worth the breath of the professor".

Originally Posted by sccrhound

Originally Posted by pickel

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That's the thing though, they are only invasion plans. They usually haven't got a clue what to do after that.

You mean like d-day, Pattons taking of Italy, and then the Marshall plan.

The fact that you have to go that far back in history, kinda proves my point. Oh, and I also included one of these:

Originally Posted by mr Fred

Is this almighty fuck up mentioned in US schools and so on?

I dont think they mention Eye-raq or Afganistan either...

The early 20th century is a fascinating period in global politics. US planners created the Canadian invasion contingencies because as tension increased between the US and Japan during the 1920’s it was uncertain which side Britain would take in any war. As Britain and Japan had been in an alliance for most of the previous 20 years, and though the alliance had officially terminated in 1923, the fear was that Britain would side with Japan in order to further its own agenda in the Pacific. Therefore these plans were developed in case Britain choose try and use Canada as base to attack the US in a joint war with Japan.

When Britain declared war on Germany in 1914, Japan followed per the provisions of the 1902 Alliance. Almost immediately, Japan attacked and captured the German base at Tsingtao. Japan also sent ships the Mediterranean and assisted in the protection of allied shipping near Malta from U-boat attacks. Japan also used the Alliance to seize Germany’s Pacific possessions, greatly increasing it influence in the region.

As ridiculous as it seems in hindsight, at the time during the mid 1920’s it was not unconceivable the Japan and Britain would jointly fight a war against the US for control of the Pacific. Of course, as is usual, actual events turned out completely different then anyone imagined at the time.
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interesting..

Come on, Thaihome, how can you bash the US with a rational factual based response like that???? Damm you!