Thread: Should Israel Bomb Iran ?

Originally Posted by baldrick

maybe in preparation they should bomb a few of the american super bases in Iraq.

who knows what lands these expansionist armies might be eyeing next once they have established their foot holds

Oh yes. This old line. America the empire trying to suck up all the countries in the world. Never mind we could have taken Japan, Germany and Iraq if we wanted them. But that is not what we do.

Oh... and by the way, after living in Iraq for two years.... not even a share of their oil would make us want it. Biggest hell hole I have ever been to.

Just incase someone wants to bring up that old accusation of us only going there for the oil... then why is our gas still so high lol. Please. Reality check once in a while friend.

ERRRM! Iran cannot increase their refining capabilities but can increase it's nuclear refining capacity? Rubbish. We found the research facility first and the Iran, very embarraced had to admit is was there and invite us in. And the only people allowed to bomb Iran are the Mericans

Originally Posted by Panda

Iran has never attacked Israel and has never threatened to attack Israel.

Any Israeli attack on Iran could in no way be seen as a "defencive " strike.

Did you miss the statement by the president of Iran stating Isreal should be wiped from the face of the earth, is that not somewhat of a threat?

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by the dogcatcher

Why does Iran want nuclear power when it has so much oil,

Fair question, with a simple answer. Iran indeed has a lot of oil- it is a big exporter.
But it has very little domestic refining capacity- much of it's refined oil it has to import (at great cost) while exporting millions of barrels of cheap crude. Ironically.
It cannot further develop it's domestic refining capacity because of Western sanctions.

So there are sound economic reasons for it developing nuclear power generation, besides Peak oil theory.

If it is truly for use in the production of power why won"t the iraneans let Russia produce fuel for there power reactors, this option was put on the table but rejected by Iran

We should all just let them fight and wipe eachother out. I mean that is what they want

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by the dogcatcher

Why does Iran want nuclear power when it has so much oil,

Fair question, with a simple answer. Iran indeed has a lot of oil- it is a big exporter.
But it has very little domestic refining capacity- much of it's refined oil it has to import (at great cost) while exporting millions of barrels of cheap crude. Ironically.
It cannot further develop it's domestic refining capacity because of Western sanctions.

So there are sound economic reasons for it developing nuclear power generation, besides Peak oil theory.

If it is truly for use in the production of power why won"t the iraneans let Russia produce fuel for there power reactors, this option was put on the table but rejected by Iran

Probably work out cheaper in the long run too.

Originally Posted by Panda

Iran has never attacked Israel and has never threatened to attack Israel.

Any Israeli attack on Iran could in no way be seen as a "defencive " strike.

Agree with Panda.

If people look at the facts, they'll see a lot of BS being spout around.

Who gives a fuck?

Originally Posted by Digitalwolf

Oh... and by the way, after living in Iraq for two years.... not even a share of their oil would make us want it. Biggest hell hole I have ever been to.

Hey mate, dont over rate your own importance in the grand scheme of things just because you happened to be political cannon fodder in Iraq for 2 years. You got paid to do a job, thats all. Not speak on behalf of the American politicians who engineered the war.

USA and UK fucked up when they couldn't find the WMDS they suspected and instead turned their attention to creating a "democracy" in Iraq. That was their biggest colonialist economic mistake. Instead of installing the puppet government they had hoped for, they did the job too well and ended up with a reasonably democratic government that didn't want to prostitute themselves and sell out the countries oil wealth to contracts with US and UK companies. Iraq didn't break from OPEC and didn't open up the oil exploration and development exclusively to US and UK companies despite US pressure. Instead Iraq maintained the nationalization of oil reserves and put the exploration and development rights up for auction on the free world market. Its all a matter of record if you want to search it out.

It was a major political/economic/military blunder for the outlaw coalition of the willing who thought they were going to share in the spoils of war. They should have just put a selected puppet government in place quickly to sign over the countries oil wealth rather than trying to sell the war to the US public under the guise of the freedom and democracy slogan.

Although I do sympathize for the poor grunts who have given their lives and suffered for the potential benefit of the big oil companies, I dont think it gives them any exceptional credibility to comment on the political motives for the war.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by Panda

Iran has never attacked Israel and has never threatened to attack Israel.

Any Israeli attack on Iran could in no way be seen as a "defencive " strike.

Did you miss the statement by the president of Iran stating Isreal should be wiped from the face of the earth, is that not somewhat of a threat?

No! I certainly didn't, because it was never stated.

Something of a well established as an urban myth now. Just a piece of US/Israeli propaganda WRONGLY translating what was actually said, and since proved to be totally untrue.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by Panda

Iran has never attacked Israel and has never threatened to attack Israel.

Any Israeli attack on Iran could in no way be seen as a "defencive " strike.

Did you miss the statement by the president of Iran stating Isreal should be wiped from the face of the earth, is that not somewhat of a threat?

I hope it will be a quick surprise attack bombing them back into the stone age as all their Arab neighbors sit back and watch in horror the same way it went down in Lebanon.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Did you miss the statement by the president of Iran stating Isreal should be wiped from the face of the earth

here's a tip rpeter65.....get better informed.

just because you read it on the "internets" doesn't mean it's true.

Originally Posted by Ghandi

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by Panda

Iran has never attacked Israel and has never threatened to attack Israel.

Any Israeli attack on Iran could in no way be seen as a "defencive " strike.

Did you miss the statement by the president of Iran stating Isreal should be wiped from the face of the earth, is that not somewhat of a threat?

I hope it will be a quick surprise attack bombing them back into the stone age as all their Arab neighbors sit back and watch in horror the same way it went down in Lebanon.

The Yanks do love to bomb other people. All the pretty lights as those little kids get vaporized. Somebody pass the popcorn. Oh yea, whos hogging the remote? This is fun.

Is it any wonder that it is becoming increasingly unsafe for Americans to travel abroad. Though I suppose they still wont get it.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Did you miss the statement by the president of Iran stating Isreal should be wiped from the face of the earth

here's a tip rpeter65.....get better informed.

just because you read it on the "internets" doesn't mean it's true.

Here's a tip for you, broaden your news sources, get beyond the extremely biased liberal news sources and you might find the reality of todays world.Btw the internet was not my source I watched the speech. Oh I guess the interperter made a mistake.

Yes I think that [insert country of choice] should be bombed/blasted/nuked [delete as applicable] into the middleages/smithereens/dust [delete as applicable]. That will teach those [insert racist/derogatory epithet of choice].



Hey, whaddya know... It is easy to advocate war and violence from the safety of a keyboard! Who knew!?

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Yes I think that [insert country of choice] should be bombed/blasted/nuked [delete as applicable] into the middleages/smithereens/dust [delete as applicable]. That will teach those [insert racist/derogatory epithet of choice].



Hey, whaddya know... It is easy to advocate war and violence from the safety of a keyboard! Who knew!?

Ant, we don't care. We just want another war on television. Discovery channel is getting dull.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

the internet was not my source I watched the speech. Oh I guess the interperter made a mistake.

really?

you watched the speech?

on which channel?

because i'd be very interested to read the transcription in which the interpreter says "israel should be wiped from the face of the earth".

Originally Posted by Panda

What has Iran ever done to the USA to deserve such hatred and threats of destruction?

There was that nasty incident where they took over our embassy for 444 days and held 53 people hostage.
The also shipped lots of weapons and rockets to Hezbollah for lobbing at Israel.
They also chant 'death to America and death to Israel' on every state occasion.
Ahmadinejad also claimed that the holocaust was a zionist lie.
I am not advocating bombing them, as I said earlier, we are going to have to live with their desire for nuclear weapons.

Originally Posted by the dogcatcher

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Yes I think that [insert country of choice] should be bombed/blasted/nuked [delete as applicable] into the middleages/smithereens/dust [delete as applicable]. That will teach those [insert racist/derogatory epithet of choice].



Hey, whaddya know... It is easy to advocate war and violence from the safety of a keyboard! Who knew!?

Ant, we don't care. We just want another war on television. Discovery channel is getting dull.

Many a true word spoken in jest.
I recall the American patriotic euphoria when the bombing of Baghdad was shown on the nightly news. Cheers of "go, go USA!" were going up all around. The internet forums were awash with American patriotic euphoria at the sight of this little country being bombed mercilessly. Not a thought for the innocent civilians including women and kids being fried down there under the pretty lights of those explosions.

Just a case of people being led to dehumanize others from a different country and culture. Even now we still hear these impoverished souls referred to as "sand monkeys", "camel jockeys" and "rag heads". Terms intended to dehumanize these people already subjected to so much suffering.

It is sad and disappointing to see how the American public can be so easily manipulated to disregard the humane principles of fairness and decency they purport to stand for. And is it any wonder that the American people are being held accountable by some for their lack of humanity concerning people from other countries.
A culture of instant gratification and a feeling of superior invincibility has led the American people to being seen as arrogant and selfish by the rest of the world in recent years. Let us hope that now that the USA is in decline as a world economic power, its people will show a little more respect for the others who happen to inhabit this planet.

^ Some pretty sweeping generalizations. We did have an election which repudiated the foreign policy you are describing. And I would remind you that there is plenty of dissent in the US so making broad, prejudicial statements does little to help the situation.

The British are still the most hated worldwide by a long shot.

Originally Posted by Panda

Originally Posted by Ghandi

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by Panda

Iran has never attacked Israel and has never threatened to attack Israel.

Any Israeli attack on Iran could in no way be seen as a "defencive " strike.

Did you miss the statement by the president of Iran stating Isreal should be wiped from the face of the earth, is that not somewhat of a threat?

I hope it will be a quick surprise attack bombing them back into the stone age as all their Arab neighbors sit back and watch in horror the same way it went down in Lebanon.

The Yanks do love to bomb other people. All the pretty lights as those little kids get vaporized. Somebody pass the popcorn. Oh yea, whos hogging the remote? This is fun.

Is it any wonder that it is becoming increasingly unsafe for Americans to travel abroad. Though I suppose they still wont get it.

Originally Posted by Panda

Many a true word spoken in jest.
I recall the American patriotic euphoria when the bombing of Baghdad was shown on the nightly news. Cheers of "go, go USA!" were going up all around. The internet forums were awash with American patriotic euphoria at the sight of this little country being bombed mercilessly. Not a thought for the innocent civilians including women and kids being fried down there under the pretty lights of those explosions.

That was a massive failing of the media in the US, all of them not just the usual suspects like Fox.

Instead of seeking answers to the pressing questions before invasion they were right there acting as cheerleaders and beating the war drums. Instead of asking why the US was invovled post invasion the networks were competing to see who could roll out the most distinguished retired 'military advisor'; who could find and portray the biggest 'hero' (Jessica Lynch anyone?); who could give the viewer the low-down on the latest bit of military kit. It was sickening.

If you can find it I can highly recommend 'War Made Easy - How Presidents & Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death' as an interesting look on the historical precendents of the media's complicity (and failings) in such matters.

[Edit]

Actually here's the link to the website and a synopsis:

War Made Easy reaches into the Orwellian memory hole to expose a 50-year pattern of government deception and media spin that has dragged the United States into one war after another from Vietnam to Iraq. Narrated by actor and activist Sean Penn, the film exhumes remarkable archival footage of official distortion and exaggeration from LBJ to George W. Bush, revealing in stunning detail how the American news media have uncritically disseminated the pro-war messages of successive presidential administrations.
War Made Easy gives special attention to parallels between the Vietnam war and the war in Iraq. Guided by media critic Norman Solomon’s meticulous research and tough-minded analysis, the film presents disturbing examples of propaganda and media complicity from the present alongside rare footage of political leaders and leading journalists from the past, including Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, dissident Senator Wayne Morse, and news correspondents Walter Cronkite and Morley Safer.

War Made Easy - Narrated by Sean Penn

I don't like either place. We should nuke all those nutter countries and give the land to the peaceful people like the Indians, Mexicans and Filipinos to move into. By wiping out Israel, Iran, North Korea, and a few other places all the non-violent people will be able to have enough land to live and enjoy shitting out more babies for the aliens who will eventually come to harvest them.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Panda

Many a true word spoken in jest.
I recall the American patriotic euphoria when the bombing of Baghdad was shown on the nightly news. Cheers of "go, go USA!" were going up all around. The internet forums were awash with American patriotic euphoria at the sight of this little country being bombed mercilessly. Not a thought for the innocent civilians including women and kids being fried down there under the pretty lights of those explosions.

That was a massive failing of the media in the US, all of them not just the usual suspects like Fox.

Instead of seeking answers to the pressing questions before invasion they were right there acting as cheerleaders and beating the war drums. Instead of asking why the US was invovled post invasion the networks were competing to see who could roll out the most distinguished retired 'military advisor'; who could find and portray the biggest 'hero' (Jessica Lynch anyone?); who could give the viewer the low-down on the latest bit of military kit. It was sickening.

If you can find it I can highly recommend 'War Made Easy - How Presidents & Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death' as an interesting look on the historical precendents of the media's complicity (and failings) in such matters.

[Edit]

Actually here's the link to the website and a synopsis:

War Made Easy reaches into the Orwellian memory hole to expose a 50-year pattern of government deception and media spin that has dragged the United States into one war after another from Vietnam to Iraq. Narrated by actor and activist Sean Penn, the film exhumes remarkable archival footage of official distortion and exaggeration from LBJ to George W. Bush, revealing in stunning detail how the American news media have uncritically disseminated the pro-war messages of successive presidential administrations.
War Made Easy gives special attention to parallels between the Vietnam war and the war in Iraq. Guided by media critic Norman Solomon’s meticulous research and tough-minded analysis, the film presents disturbing examples of propaganda and media complicity from the present alongside rare footage of political leaders and leading journalists from the past, including Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, dissident Senator Wayne Morse, and news correspondents Walter Cronkite and Morley Safer.

War Made Easy - Narrated by Sean Penn

Not going to argue with this.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Panda

What has Iran ever done to the USA to deserve such hatred and threats of destruction?

There was that nasty incident where they took over our embassy for 444 days and held 53 people hostage.

Oh, you mean the the Iranian revolution when the Iranian people took back democratic control of their country after the USA organized a coup to oust the democratically elected government and replace it with a dictator sympathetic to US and British oil interests.
How dare those filthy rag heads aspire to democracy in their own country when it is not in USAs financial interest.

USA and the Brits got their arse kicked out of Iran back in 1979 and in the process created what is now an Islamic democratic state. And the US installed dictator Shar got his arse kicked out too.