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    Giving Money Away

    I was talking to a guy over coffee this morning, somehow we got to the subject of getting a yearly visa. He said that he gives the Immigration Officer 100 or 200 Baht every time he goes there. I told him that's the reason all Thais expect free money from Farangs and by doing so he is encouraging this type of extortion. He claims that this helps everything go smoothly, even though they are just doing the job they are paid for, and probably wouldn't help him out anyways, if his papers or money weren't in order. I notice there is a thread on " How Stupid Are Thai People". I'm thinking it would be more appropriate to have one entitled " How Stupid Are Farangs", from some of the stuff that I see, and hear about around here.

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    agreed, except its expected to pay officials here...

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    Never have paid to have had anything done at immigration. But for the house and things like that yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    agreed, except its expected to pay officials here...
    agree but to perpetuate is the primary for their expectance. there has been some progress reversing the practice of "Tea money" being paid civil service employees just for doing their job so I can not condone the practice.

    Here is my story: Went to the Immi office down my way about 1 month ago to get a letter of residency for driver;s license renewal. For some reason, it may have been because I had recently been out of country and returned without the wife doing the "Notification From House-Master, Owner Form for Resedency where Alien Hss Stayed", but they wanted to do an investigation to make sure that I was residing where I said I was. I was advised that the investigation would take 5 days and would have to wait to get the residency letter or (and I was advised of this off line) that I could slip some money into my application and and I could get the residency letter immediately. My response was that "I could wait for a week as I was in no hurry". Anyway, the clerk processed my application for residency letter and in 10 min, I was called to the window by the supervior and given the residency letter. No "tea money".

    Don't perpetuate a money giving system for peope doing what they are suposed to be doing anyway.
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    You go to a restaurant, you're known to tip fairly and regularly, a seating is magically available, your menus are promptly brought and you get a little extra attentiveness.

    Why shouldn't you tip the folks behind the counter at immigration? They make absolute shit money. 200 baht is a BIG TIP for them. Give it if you like, don't if you don't. never seen anyone get turned away for not tipping but I have seen people get through a helluva lot quicker for a few baht. You tip for good service. You get known for that Things go smoother. And the poor folks behind the counter can buy a nicer meal that night. My Ol lady wored at the Passport office, she put up with shit all day long sometimes an applicant or someione renewing would slip her 500 Baht, 200 Baht. This made her day! She put up with shit fromthe customers, she put up with shit from the officers, she put up with shit from the chick that was two years older than her. A couple bucks brightened her day. Immigration counter workers put up with irate idiotic fuckwit farangs every goddam day. There's always some red-faced idiot trying to start a fight or some drunken fat bastard being an obstinate asshole whenever I've gone.You don't want to bribe an official, OK don't; but to whinge about some guy that tips some worker bee a few hundred Baht "Ruining it for the rest of us?" Fuckin ridiculoous, whinging tightwads; you can sit and fuckin wait!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one
    Never have paid to have had anything done at immigration.
    Same here. After many years dealing with immigration have never paid or offered a baht in tea money and never encountered any stone walling in processing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by friscofrankie View Post
    You go to a restaurant, you're known to tip fairly and regularly, a seating is magically available, your menus are promptly brought and you get a little extra attentiveness.

    Why shouldn't you tip the folks behind the counter at immigration? They make absolute shit money. 200 baht is a BIG TIP for them. Give it if you like, don't if you don't. never seen anyone get turned away for not tipping but I have seen people get through a helluva lot quicker for a few baht. You tip for good service. You get known for that Things go smoother. And the poor folks behind the counter can buy a nicer meal that night. My Ol lady wored at the Passport office, she put up with shit all day long sometimes an applicant or someione renewing would slip her 500 Baht, 200 Baht. This made her day! She put up with shit fromthe customers, she put up with shit from the officers, she put up with shit from the chick that was two years older than her. A couple bucks brightened her day. Immigration counter workers put up with irate idiotic fuckwit farangs every goddam day. There's always some red-faced idiot trying to start a fight or some drunken fat bastard being an obstinate asshole whenever I've gone.You don't want to bribe an official, OK don't; but to whinge about some guy that tips some worker bee a few hundred Baht "Ruining it for the rest of us?" Fuckin ridiculoous, whinging tightwads; you can sit and fuckin wait!
    The Big money man, must feel good to just throw it around, tell your old lady to quit her job, she's got you.

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    Would you dream of paying inOZ K or US of course not reeks ofcorruption which is why Siam is 3rd world and remain so until civil servats are paid properly

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    Quote Originally Posted by up2you View Post
    Would you dream of paying inOZ K or US of course not reeks ofcorruption which is why Siam is 3rd world and remain so until civil servats are paid properly
    of course, payment should be for the job performed and service provided. at immi ofc, we pay for the respective service provided. as a customer, there should be no further expectation of payment to be made.

    now lets be real about this, the civil service employees do not get the highest paying salary and possibly should get paid something higher but there are other benifits such as some degree of job security and even the fact that they have a job. in the same respect, there is no reason for the immi clerks or any service provider to have to put up with obnoxious or belligerent behavior of customers. Equal pay for equal work and obnoxious customers go to the end of the line.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellow
    The Big money man, must feel good to just throw it around, tell your old lady to quit her job, she's got you.
    Nice reply short and too the point. Just had to highlight it. Lame in the extreme, weak and addresses nothing I said just tries to insult . But then, the OP kinda shows your small-mindedness, so; about up to par. The reply was pathetic, then there's that attitude, "He's ruining it for us all!." Jesus man, how can you be any more petty?

    The counter personnel make all of 6000 - 9000 per month, to get that job they went through a four year college, this education was not free no matter how bad or weak you may consider it. They work for years hoping to get a lock on a government pension and benefits, living in a bedsit, saving every satang so thay can eat all month and make the rent and maybe a motorcy payment. THEN they have to deal with tight-fisted, arrogant, obstinate tight wads all day. One guy comes along and gives them a little extra now and again and some whinging prick cries "he's spoiling it for all us hardened, know it all expats!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    agreed, except its expected to pay officials here...
    In Indonesia as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellow View Post
    I was talking to a guy over coffee this morning, somehow we got to the subject of getting a yearly visa. He said that he gives the Immigration Officer 100 or 200 Baht every time he goes there. I told him that's the reason all Thais expect free money from Farangs and by doing so he is encouraging this type of extortion. He claims that this helps everything go smoothly, even though they are just doing the job they are paid for, and probably wouldn't help him out anyways, if his papers or money weren't in order. I notice there is a thread on " How Stupid Are Thai People". I'm thinking it would be more appropriate to have one entitled " How Stupid Are Farangs", from some of the stuff that I see, and hear about around here.
    I have no problem with the theme of your post, but you shouldn’t let your farang paranoia blind you to fact that Thai people are probably much more subject to this in all aspects of life then farangs. It has nothing to do with you being a farang, it is life in a third world/developing country.

    As Thailand continues up the development curve you will see less and less of this sort of thing. In my 5 years of Non-Imm B extensions, we have never had to bribe anyone to their job. It is likely that in a smaller upcountry immigration office, it would be more prevalent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by friscofrankie
    My Ol lady wored at the Passport office,
    I presume you mean "worked" although it was a bearpit sometimes

    Quote Originally Posted by mellow
    tell your old lady to quit her job
    I believe she already did, very sensibly, when the opportunity arose

    FF has a good point, put rather strongly.

    I tip everyone I see, even the guy who controls the crossings, the noodle man, the policeman, the bar woman, anyone, give them all tips

    why not, it makes them happy, it makes me happy

    tip for the day "be happy"

    see, I even tip teakdoor members
    I have reported your post

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    Quote Originally Posted by friscofrankie
    Why shouldn't you tip the folks behind the counter at immigration?
    Because they get paid to do their job. It's not our fault they get paid what they get paid. If they don't get paid enough, they should sort it out with their bosses rather than take bribes from people forced into using their services.

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    [THERE IS A HELL OF A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TIP AND A BRIBE.
    looks like a few people are getting the two confused here.
    tipping is what one does to show appreciation to someone who rendered exceptional service.

    bribery is corruption and SCREWS IT UP for everybody else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    If they don't get paid enough, they should sort it out with their bosses rather than take bribes from people forced into using their service
    A Pollyanna and a cheapskate!
    Tips ain't bribes. Read the OP again, birdbrain.
    you use that excuse when out dining as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsicar View Post
    [THERE IS A HELL OF A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TIP AND A BRIBE.
    looks like a few people are getting the two confused here.
    tipping is what one does to show appreciation to someone who rendered exceptional service.

    bribery is corruption and SCREWS IT UP for everybody else.

    so, if you would have to normally wait for 2 weeks to get your paperwork sorted out and the passport officer could do it as an exceptional service in 2 hours, would that be a tip or a bribe?

    In the UK, the passport office actually offers quicker services for extra money, so would that be bribing the government?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
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    [THERE IS A HELL OF A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TIP AND A BRIBE.
    looks like a few people are getting the two confused here.
    tipping is what one does to show appreciation to someone who rendered exceptional service.

    bribery is corruption and SCREWS IT UP for everybody else.

    so, if you would have to normally wait for 2 weeks to get your paperwork sorted out and the passport officer could do it as an exceptional service in 2 hours, would that be a tip or a bribe?
    if the guy went out of his way and beyond what he was expected to do, and one gave him a tip AFTERWARDS, then it is a tip.
    if he wanted money upfront and stated so, plus the amount, then he wants a bribe, and should be told to fukkoff, and if you pay the bribe then you are just as corrupt as he is, and you screw it up for everybody else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    In the UK, the passport office actually offers quicker services for extra money, so would that be bribing the government?
    Quote Originally Posted by tsicar
    if he wanted money upfront and stated so, plus the amount, then he wants a bribe, and should be told to fukkoff, and if you pay the bribe then you are just as corrupt as he is, and you screw it up for everybody else.

    so, as you have to pay up front to the government to get better service, that is bribery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    In the UK, the passport office actually offers quicker services for extra money, so would that be bribing the government?
    Quote Originally Posted by tsicar
    if he wanted money upfront and stated so, plus the amount, then he wants a bribe, and should be told to fukkoff, and if you pay the bribe then you are just as corrupt as he is, and you screw it up for everybody else.

    so, as you have to pay up front to the government to get better service, that is bribery?
    you are talking about something completely different. the scenario you described would be like paying extra at the post office to use a DIFFERENT method to get your mail to it's destination, and extra costs (courier service, etc) would be incurred and passed on to you, plus the official would not be putting the extra money in his pocket now, would he?

    i never heard of someone paying a TIP upfront, did YOU?

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    so if the Thai office does not have a fast service, you pay the official to get it done quicker

    not a bribe, more a facilitating payment, same as the Uk official version

    a bribe would be more used to get things done against the laws

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsicar
    i never heard of someone paying a TIP upfront, did YOU? tsicar is online now Add to tsicar's Reputation Report Post IP
    Well yeah; guy brings his car in to be parked, he drops a twenty on the attendant to get a good spot and a littel extra care BEFORE the guy takes off. Guy takes a date out, slips the maitre 'D a bill as he checks in. Can go on and on shall I?

    You want your land surveyed for chanote. You pay your money and you wait for 3 - 6 weeks. You pay extra you go to the front of the line. Since it's Thai office It's completely different? and a bribe?

    The only thing screwed up by people tipping the underpaid hard wrokig office workers, etc. is the ones that don't get exposed for the cheap bastards they are. Tough shit. Fuckwits move here think they're gonna change centuries of custom. Square pegs - round holes.

    Quote Originally Posted by tsicar
    bribery is corruption and SCREWS IT UP for everybody else.
    Oh yeah that ol chestnut. Again.
    Call it bribery if ti makes you feel good. The knights would colelct taxes on the road pocket some kick the rest up. Folks that assinged the rice fields for growing rice accepted fees for the prime plots. People wantign particular position in the palace paid an "agent" "fees" to get the prime spot. The positions that collected the fees were coveted. The income derived from the "fees" was enough to live well, the salaries (if any) were a pittance, it was expect that those collecting the fees or taxes would support themselves off this income. This has been going on for centuries here. It is ingrained in the society. If you can't deal with it GO HOME.

    Do you honestly think you as a farang are being singled out and targeted? you are mistaken. This is how things are done. Giving a counter girl a few hundred Baht is such a good thing on so many levels. I just can;t believe the petty attitudes about this. You ain't in Kansas any more Dorothy.

    Corruption is staging and election then a coup becasue the election didn;t rutn ot how you wanted. Corruption is enacting laws so you can sell off a controlling interest in a multi billion dollar company for a huge profit. Corruption is stealing millions of dollars Then getting your cousin, the judge/general/highly placed govt official to make the problem go away through circumventing the law.. Paying a road side fine corruption? Sounds like expeditious handling of a minor nuisance you ask me. Giving an underpaid counter worker a tip up front of after? Sonds like good sense, working with a smiling minor bureaucrat is always more pleasant that a scowling pissed off hungry one.

    I'd go so far as to say that teh Fucking holier than thou set with their anti tip/bribe/gratuity attitudes are the ones that


    Quote Originally Posted by tsicar
    SCREWS IT UP for everybody else.
    Pay, don't pay. up to You as 'they' say, Just stop yer fuckin whinging, willya?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaihome View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mellow View Post
    I was talking to a guy over coffee this morning, somehow we got to the subject of getting a yearly visa. He said that he gives the Immigration Officer 100 or 200 Baht every time he goes there. I told him that's the reason all Thais expect free money from Farangs and by doing so he is encouraging this type of extortion. He claims that this helps everything go smoothly, even though they are just doing the job they are paid for, and probably wouldn't help him out anyways, if his papers or money weren't in order. I notice there is a thread on " How Stupid Are Thai People". I'm thinking it would be more appropriate to have one entitled " How Stupid Are Farangs", from some of the stuff that I see, and hear about around here.
    I have no problem with the theme of your post, but you shouldn’t let your farang paranoia blind you to fact that Thai people are probably much more subject to this in all aspects of life then farangs. It has nothing to do with you being a farang, it is life in a third world/developing country.

    As Thailand continues up the development curve you will see less and less of this sort of thing. In my 5 years of Non-Imm B extensions, we have never had to bribe anyone to their job. It is likely that in a smaller upcountry immigration office, it would be more prevalent.


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    I haven't had to pay any immigration officer any type of personal fee either, and I certainly would not volunteer it. I was just recounting about another person's experience. Commenting on how he feels that this is the acceptable thing to do, as do some other posters obviously. Personally, I have a family, which is what I spent my money on. I don't need any other expenses popping here and there, nor would a Thai person who is supporting a family. But it does seem that many Farangs part easily with their money and think nothing of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by friscofrankie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mellow
    The Big money man, must feel good to just throw it around, tell your old lady to quit her job, she's got you.
    Nice reply short and too the point. Just had to highlight it. Lame in the extreme, weak and addresses nothing I said just tries to insult . But then, the OP kinda shows your small-mindedness, so; about up to par. The reply was pathetic, then there's that attitude, "He's ruining it for us all!." Jesus man, how can you be any more petty?

    The counter personnel make all of 6000 - 9000 per month, to get that job they went through a four year college, this education was not free no matter how bad or weak you may consider it. They work for years hoping to get a lock on a government pension and benefits, living in a bedsit, saving every satang so thay can eat all month and make the rent and maybe a motorcy payment. THEN they have to deal with tight-fisted, arrogant, obstinate tight wads all day. One guy comes along and gives them a little extra now and again and some whinging prick cries "he's spoiling it for all us hardened, know it all expats!"
    You should seek out medication for what ails you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellow
    You should seek out medication for what ails you.
    Such a bright boy. You should try to engage your brain for more than childish schoolyard taunts. try real hard, now.

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