Thread: Giving Money Away

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by mellow

Absolutely nothing wrong with that

no, but you said

no they don't. they never tip. what are you on?

Originally Posted by mellow

This, probably do to my age, and skeptisism also makes me wonder whats up.

or what you are on. I hate to be pedantic, but do = due and skeptisism = scepticism

you contradict yourself with hardly taking a breath

Didn't write the part about " no they don't, they never tip, what are you on", but I should have.
The other phrase I didn't write was " your ruining it for us all", but I decided to bite on that. Lets hear it, are you ruining it for us all? Have you already ruined it? Do you think the easy way many part with their money, is looked upon as a gesture of kindness by the Thais, or could it be this is where the title of Stupid Farang comes from? Lets hear about your benevolence, your superiority. Where you the same in your home country, or did the sight of all the temples install this humanitarian thing in you.
Thanks for correcting my English, but I don't tip for that.

Why do all posts that have to do with tips invariably turn into bitch fights between those originally from one side of the Atlantic and those on the other side,(sometimes with the assistance of those from the other side of the Pacific).
And why does it seem IMHO that Khun FF always seems to hit the nail on the head with his comments. I'd like to think that we must have travelled some of the same roads in the past.
When you decide to go and live in someone else's piece of the planet you have to learn to play the game by their rules, grumbling about it makes as much sense as pissing into a strong headwind.
If you don't want to tip, don't tip, but don't grumble that it takes five times as much time and effort on your part to get something done.

^You tip a waitress, did you give a tip when you got your driver's license? Do you tip the person you pay your land taxes to? Do you tip when you pay your electric bill or water bill? When you go to your embassy to renew your passport do you tip? It's all Thais working there , they might be poorer then you.
I bought some construction materials, the young woman working there said I was a nice Farang, then asked me for a tip. I told her I was nice but not that nice. How much should I have given her? Where did she get such a stupid idea from I wonder?

frisco fucking frankie, the high rolling arsehole from monkeymuff.

put a sock in in will you.

your continued justification for tipping everything and everyone is becoming tedious.

your are doing no favours to anyone except your overinflated and some would say sad ego if you think that you are helping anybody by tipping for services that you have already paid for. it could even be seen as a sign of a rather simple mind.

all it does is re inforce the custom that if you dont pay the tip, the service will be poor or non existent, it is in fact nothing more than a form of extortion. pay up or else.

you, of course, are too stupid to see it that way, preferring to see it as a demonstration of your wonderful generosity, philanthropy and wisdom, and your idiotic notion of tipping to pay for decent meals for underpaid restaurant staff is downright patronising in a way that only an american of large mouth and small mind could pull off.

government officials asking for bribes for processing paperwork are doing the country no great service, the money goes straight into their pocket and not into the government coffers, where in a well run country it would be used for the benefit of the population at large. in corrupt societies it is just a form of extortion.

and those who pay it. you are just using your wealth to avoid having to confront the realities of this society, the society that you claim to understand so well and have adapted so well to. you have become as corrupt and as lazy as those who recieve your money.

you are just perpetuating a poorly thought out system that encourages greed and dishonesty.

Originally Posted by taxexile

the money goes straight into their pocket and not into the government coffers

Only a percentage. The rest trickles up to the boss who takes his "commission" then remaining is trickled up to his boss. Trickle up continues until some politicains pockets his share. All a well established pyramid scheme.

In Thailand, as in many other countries, there is little difference between a tip and a bribe.

Would you pay to get your son or daughter out of a thai jail ??

Anyone ?

This behavior of throwing money around is most likely from guys, who in their own country are a part of the general mass of the population ( average middle class, I being part of the same class) yet feel insignificant. They come to a third world country, see more poverty then they are used to, and all of a sudden imagine themselves to be rich, and want to be a big deal. Rich people don't give money away, that's why they have some.

Originally Posted by Nawty

Would you pay to get your son or daughter out of a thai jail ??

Anyone ?

Absolutely, but that's not the same as just handing money out to someone just cause you got some.

^ You should hang out with more Hi-So Thai/Chinese & Thai then.
When they're entertaining, they throw it around like confetti.
Quite vulgar actually. But it does buy you obsequiousness & special favours.

Originally Posted by sabang

^ You should hang out with more Hi-So Thai/Chinese & Thai then.
When they're entertaining, they throw it around like confetti.
Quite vulgar actually. But it does buy you obsequiousness & special favours.

Not in the least bit interested.

Originally Posted by DrAndy

why, because you have been showed to be wrong?

How so? Do you actually think that you have something in common with Hi So/Thai Chinese? You could be an attraction I guess, kind of like a monkey grinding an organ.

stooping to insults because you have lost the argument

fair enough

The Thai who used to handle my visa at work use to bring Puff and Pie pastries every time for her friends there. I thought I saw someone bring in some bottles of whiskey once when I was sitting in the big lobby at Soi Suan Plu. Although this probably makes you look goof in their eyes, it does propagate the general idea of corruption in my view. Things aren't going to change here. You can buy a lot of the people in Immigration if you want to. I'm sure a few probably would like to see Thailand change for the better but those with power probably don't. This is the land of corruption.

Note: Don't forget to do your 90-day registration since you are all on the terrorist watch list. Next month I think they are going to give us armbands or patches to stitch onto our clothes in order to prevent foreign crime.

Originally Posted by DrAndy

stooping to insults because you have lost the argument

fair enough

Not insulting you personally, the scenario would apply to me also. HI So Chinese have no need for any of us, Farangs that is.

What ever happened to " your ruining it for all of us" ? I took the bait, but no one wants to play with it now.

I dont see any problem in using coin to assist the smoothing over of troubles like visa's and driving licenses.

Giving money away to thick Isaan bargirls because you fell in love with them, that's a whole different story though. Never understood that one, never will.

Originally Posted by mellow

What ever happened to " your ruining it for all of us" ? I took the bait, but no one wants to play with it now.

you will have to ask FF that? offer to be his monkey

Originally Posted by Spin

I dont see any problem in using coin to assist the smoothing over of troubles like visa's and driving licenses.

Giving money away to thick Isaan bargirls because you fell in love with them, that's a whole different story though. Never understood that one, never will.

I used to give tips to a bargirl in Cowboy; she was fairly unattractive and never got a customer

but she was fun to talk to and I liked her

not the same as "falling in love, though"!

Originally Posted by DrAndy

I used to give tips to a bargirl in Cowboy; she was fairly unattractive and never got a customer

Good tactic Sit next to the plain Jane in the corner. Buy her a drink which she will appreciate and not constantly be asking for more. Then tell all the other hottie barracudas to fok off as you already have a "friend".

Originally Posted by Spin

I dont see any problem in using coin to assist the smoothing over of troubles like visa's and driving licenses.

Giving money away to thick Isaan bargirls because you fell in love with them, that's a whole different story though. Never understood that one, never will.

Shouldn't be any troubles if your papers are in order. Whenever I go (visa), I take a briefcase containing folders of all family members, each one holding all the documents they were ever issued in their lives. I have photocopies of all that is required, and when they dream up of something off the wall, I can produce it, if it was ever issued by either government. Of course if there should be trouble, and one has no choice, paying would be the only choice. But just forking it over for no apparent reason makes no sense.
Yes I know a couple of guys around here who have built houses for women they hardly knew. One of them actually has to pay rent in order to live in the house he had built. A couple of others had more self respect, took the loss and moved along. One guy I really like, is fighting tooth and nail for everything, mainly his daughter. Got a good lawyer and may even win.

Never had any problems with visa an the like, never given a tip, never been asked for a tip.

If people want to give money for no reason, i don't have a problem with it, just think it's strange, probably the official does as well.

Had a few delivery men and workmen refuse tips before as well.

If someone asked for a bit of money to get something done quickly I would have no problem with that, but never been asked in a government office.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

Why shouldn't you tip the folks behind the counter at immigration?

Because they get paid to do their job. It's not our fault they get paid what they get paid. If they don't get paid enough, they should sort it out with their bosses rather than take bribes from people forced into using their services.

Quite right and such govt jobs are highly sought after as they carry pensions, free health care for family and cheap loans. These people are some of the fortunate, if people want to give to charity there are far more deserving cases.