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    Have I been dis-enfranchised?

    Not sure where to post this so it goes to the lounge.

    I left UK about 21 years ago (born and bred in the UK, as were all my ancestors as far as I can tell), at that time I was 21 and since then I have worked all over the globe; in this period I haven't lived in the UK apart from very short vacations or visiting for funerals/weddings etc.

    There was only one general election between the years I became eligible to vote and the time I left and I couldn't decide who to vote for so I just didn't bother.

    Today I was browsing around as one does on a Sunday afternoon and I came across this site:

    British citizens living abroad - About my vote, produced by The Electoral Commission

    The part that jumped at me was this:



    Does this mean that even though I have a Brit passport and nationality I can't vote anymore because I have not lived there for more than 15 years?

    I am not about to jump into UK politics because it doesn't really affect me but it is a concern if the govt can just decide on some arbitrary number of years to decide that your vote isn't needed any more imho.
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    Suppose they think you probably don't care.

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    I'm not certain but it reads to me that you can vote as long as you register? That is to say as long as you've registered in the last 15yrs from whatever point.

    Dunno really but it would seem rather arbitrary to stop someone voting on the basis of not living their for 15yrs.

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    No doubt one of the parties decidied that they'd more tory/labour voters live overseas and thus designed to give the opposit party a better chance

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    Once a citizen always. I would be enraged if they tried this in the US!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dogcatcher
    Suppose they think you probably don't care.
    I don't really, but it would be nice to have the choice, and I don't think the govt should have the right to make that choice on my behalf.

    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    I'm not certain but it reads to me that you can vote as long as you register? That is to say as long as you've registered in the last 15yrs from whatever point. Dunno really but it would seem rather arbitrary to stop someone voting on the basis of not living their for 15yrs.
    The 15 year thing seems bad to me. Just because I haven't voted before it seems that I have lost all eligibility to vote in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly
    No doubt one of the parties decidied that they'd more tory/labour voters live overseas and thus designed to give the opposit party a better chance
    You are probably right, but when was this law or regulation passed? I was genuinely surprised to discover that as a Brit citizen I'm no longer allowed to participate in the electoral process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackula
    I don't really, but it would be nice to have the choice, and I don't think the govt should have the right to make that choice on my behalf.
    So you do care really. Rightly so IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Once a citizen always. I would be enraged if they tried this in the US!
    Why? The real value to a vote in the U.S. is seemingly worthless.

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    Why should anyone living over seas for a long period have the right to vote? No offence to anyone, but, if your not living here, and not contributing, how can you make a fair and balanced vote. If your still paying taxes, and staying here once in a while, then fair do`s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slackula
    Does this mean that even though I have a Brit passport and nationality I can't vote anymore because I have not lived there for more than 15 years?
    If you want to, rush back and register

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy
    So you do care really. Rightly so IMHO
    Yeah, after pondering it I think you are right.

    I think as a natural born citizen of the UK I should still have the right to vote in a gen election if I wish to, regardless of how much time I have been away.

    I know there will be a bunch of people who will say I shouldn't be eligible to vote in the UK because I haven't paid UK taxes but I haven't really used the things that UK taxes pay for much, and I have always paid taxes in the countries I have worked in.

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    Same same Slackula. Your country, your right whatever, no time limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackula
    Does this mean that even though I have a Brit passport and nationality I can't vote anymore because I have not lived there for more than 15 years
    Quote Originally Posted by slackula
    The 15 year thing seems bad to me. Just because I haven't voted before it seems that I have lost all eligibility to vote in the future
    You can go back and register at any time, I may do a quick round trip to get my vote in at the next general election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles
    You can go back and register at any time, I may do a quick round trip to get my vote in at the next general election.
    How? From what I am reading (linked in OP) it seems that I can't go back and vote due to the length of time I have lived outside the UK.

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    Just supplying some contrast . . .
    Once contracted to NZ Electoral, checked their online site to check rules still apply; nothing's changed, once you're gone three years you can no longer vote.
    15 years seems excessive to me, 3 about right - if you've been away that long how can you expect a right to vote? You would presumably be entitled/required to enrol/vote in your 'new' country.

    From elections.org.nz
    How long can I be out of New Zealand before my enrolment lapses?
    If you are a New Zealand citizen you can be out of the country for three years continuously before you are no longer eligible to vote. If you are a permanent resident, the period is only one year. If you come back to New Zealand during this time your three years (or one year if you are a permanent resident) starts again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astasinim View Post
    Why should anyone living over seas for a long period have the right to vote? No offence to anyone, but, if your not living here, and not contributing, how can you make a fair and balanced vote. If your still paying taxes, and staying here once in a while, then fair do`s.
    I'd agree with astasinim . . . the theory seems odd (no disrespect intended, slackula) that one can have a say in something one has no direct interest in.

    That wasn't expressed correctly . . .

    What gives us, anyone, the right to decide what is good for others when one is not in the position to live with one's own decisions.

    That also sounds odd.


    In a nutshell - you're/we're not there, so what gives you/us the right to decide on issues that you/we are not going to be living with.

    Tough one to describe

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    Quote Originally Posted by astasinim
    Why should anyone living over seas for a long period have the right to vote? No offence to anyone, but, if your not living here, and not contributing, how can you make a fair and balanced vote. If your still paying taxes, and staying here once in a while, then fair do`s.
    An interesting point. Should recent arrivals to the UK have the right to vote? How would it be decided if they make a 'fair and balanced vote'?

    I was born and bred there, yet it seems that I have lost any right to influence the democratic process simply because I have chosen to live and work elsewhere for my life so far.

    I have paid through the nose for passport renewals and certificates and all sorts of other things which required the use of the UK bureaucracy over the years. I haven't used the NHS since I had my appendix taken out at 14, when I traveled on UK roads it was on transport I paid for and the other uses of taxpayer money (defense etc) have never really benefited me imho.

    I am not asking (or ever expecting) to be able to go back and get a pension, welfare or health care etc but I still think it is a little disappointing that I can't even vote anymore too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackula View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles
    You can go back and register at any time, I may do a quick round trip to get my vote in at the next general election.
    How? From what I am reading (linked in OP) it seems that I can't go back and vote due to the length of time I have lived outside the UK.
    You can't register from overseas if you've been away for more than 15 years. You can register in the UK no matter how long you've been away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by slackula
    Does this mean that even though I have a Brit passport and nationality I can't vote anymore because I have not lived there for more than 15 years
    Quote Originally Posted by slackula
    The 15 year thing seems bad to me. Just because I haven't voted before it seems that I have lost all eligibility to vote in the future
    You can go back and register at any time, I may do a quick round trip to get my vote in at the next general election.
    ^For whatever it's worth this is how read it too. And I'm generally pretty good with understanding rules and regs...
    Quote Originally Posted by slackula
    How? From what I am reading (linked in OP) it seems that I can't go back and vote due to the length of time I have lived outside the UK.
    Go back and register if it bothers you that badly, but I should think those that are offshore should be able to register at their embassy.

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    Its beyond hope just google broken Britain

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackula View Post

    An interesting point. Should recent arrivals to the UK have the right to vote? How would it be decided if they make a 'fair and balanced vote'?
    Very good point. Mrs Ast has been here four years, and is about to become a British citizen within the next couple of weeks. Even she admits, she doesnt know enough to be able to cast a reasoned vote. Heck, if it were up to me, the right to vote would be means tested ( I might not make the grade myself ).
    Quote Originally Posted by slackula View Post
    I was born and bred there, yet it seems that I have lost any right to influence the democratic process simply because I have chosen to live and work elsewhere for my life so far.
    Thats the point though isnt it? You have clearly decided that the UK is not for you, either financially or culturally, as you have kept away so long. So why is it such a big deal that people in your position dont have the right to vote. Personnaly, if I left the UK for a better life, I certainly wouldnt give a damn what was happening, let alone want to retain my voteing right.

    I know its a personnal question, but what is stopping you becoming a citizen of the country you life in, unless its Thailand, then I understand?


    Quote Originally Posted by slackula View Post

    I have paid through the nose for passport renewals and certificates and all sorts of other things which required the use of the UK bureaucracy over the years. I haven't used the NHS since I had my appendix taken out at 14, when I traveled on UK roads it was on transport I paid for and the other uses of taxpayer money (defense etc) have never really benefited me imho.
    As have I and many others. The last time I used the system was 1982, to have my tonsils out. I haven't used the doctors or dentist (private) in 20 years, but have still paid into the system to help pay for the benfits class.

    Consider yourself lucky, you got away. Many of the desirable places have tightened their borders (unlike the UK), so its difficult for us mere mortals to move elsewhere. I tell you what, I`ll trade your place for my right to vote, hows that for a deal? Its like Russia here, only difference is, your free to leave if you have the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astasinim
    Its like Russia here, only difference is, your free to leave if you have the money.
    so what is Russia like?

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    You mean you dont know. Well I am suprised. You seem to think you know everything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackula
    How? From what I am reading (linked in OP) it seems that I can't go back and vote due to the length of time I have lived outside the UK.
    Yes you can, you just need to register.

    You can register to vote if you are:
    • 16 or over (but you cannot vote until you are 18)
    • A UK, Republic of Ireland or qualifying Commonwealth citizen. Qualifying Commonwealth citizens are those who have leave to enter or remain in the UK, or do not require such leave.
    • A citizen of a European Union country living in the UK
      A citizen of the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man or a British Overseas Territory living in the UK
    I highlighted it for you, if you have a UK passport then that is you.


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    Maybe you can now apply for political asylum in Thailand

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