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    Food Hygiene Standards Practices and Attidude Towards

    In Thailand, in the home, on the street, in restaurants and just in general.

    What have been your experiences, good and bad and what is your view on this?

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    ....loaded inquiry. Expect the predictable responses.

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    considering the apparent disgusting state of most food preparation areas, and the apparent lack of personal hygeine in those preparing the food, be they on food carts or in the tin table restaurants that abound here, ( i cant see what goes on when the food is cooked behind closed doors in hotel kitchens or the more expensive restaurants) it is surprising that there is anyone left standing.

    all the things that are frowned upon or banned in western restaurants seem to be common here ( cats, dogs, birds, rats, roaches, filthy rags used for wiping surfaces, food left exposed in the heat for hours, lack of handwashing, dust, grease, poor dishwashing etc.etc.etc) so i can only assume that we in the west are too finicky, too paranoid and too careful when it comes to food preparation and that maybe exposure to more bacteria is the way to build up immunity.

    i have eaten at all levels here, and rarely suffered any ill effects.

    i think the thais have got it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin View Post
    ....loaded inquiry. Expect the predictable responses.
    Just curious, are you related to Obsidian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles View Post
    In Thailand, in the home, on the street, in restaurants and just in general.

    What have been your experiences, good and bad and what is your view on this?
    Seen MK and Fuji worker working digging in their ears and noses and seen several cooks from both places come out of the crapper after blowing mud and only bother to fix their hair rather than wash their hands.

    Seen plenty of cooks and staff with those sniffers crammed in their noses, plucking each others hair, combing their hair, popping zits and doing their make up.

    Saw a moo pin seller sitting in front of his cart trimming his toenails the other day.

    The ultimate is when I saw a dirty looking Thai guy that was a cook at a food stall picking his foot fungus and periodically sniffing his fingers.

    Next!!!!

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    I haven't had the skidders since I got tired of dining in a places where the cats were allowed to wander around on kitchen surfaces and fight the cooks over who got the fish and of waitress waiting on my table and wiping snot dripping off her nose with the same hand she used to serve me and most likely wipe her ass with.
    As far as lowest standards applied here in Thailand, there is none, but I heard that they are making a law that food prep folks have got to wash their hands, only thing I did not see was how often or when. so I guess thats out too.

    Only things I eat now come off my stove in my kitchen. But I will eat at friends homes as I have a lot of farang friendfs who have taught their wives to washie hands prease.

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    Quite amazingly my experiences are as follows:

    As a person raised with an awareness for hygiene and sanitation, I have found such activities in lands where people aren't raised with such awarness, for the most part, unhygienic and unsanitary.

    Quite amazing really.


    (responses like that Jeff?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    I heard that they are making a law that food prep folks have got to wash their hands, only thing I did not see was how often or when. so I guess thats out too.
    Once a year. It gives the food flavor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chitown
    Once a year. It gives the food flavor.
    Thats why all this shit they call food is all the same flavors.

    I'll stick with NZ beef and N. Atlantic cod.

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    ^ you do have to wonder why some people are actually living here.

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    ^The temples, innit.

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    As a child i ate dirt. I have not discouraged my 5 children from following my example.
    My sister used to chew buiding bricks as a child.
    Dirt is good for the system.
    When infectious childhood diseases are rife i school, i insist my children attend.

    We are much too fussy about what we eat. dirt is anatural and it should be allowed to help the system buid up immunity harmful bacteria.

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    Hygene in UK.

    Young children must avoid farm animals, says E.coli expert Hugh Pennington

    Children under five should not be allowed to touch animals at petting farms, disease expert Professor Hugh Pennington has said, following E.coli fears at four sites.

    By Roya Nikkhah
    Published: 12:20PM BST 19 Sep 2009

    Godstone Farm in Surrey closed last Saturday after an E.coli outbreak Photo: GETTY
    The microbiologist said young children were “the people most at risk” and “the most difficult part of the population to get to wash their hands”.
    Prof Pennington, the emeritus professor of bacteriology at the University of Aberdeen who has led inquiries into previous outbreaks of E.coli, also called for a review of guidelines on petting farms.
    He said: “Clearly I think the public expects that we have a really good look at the guidelines and also to look at the way the guidelines are being implemented. It is all very well having guidelines if people are not following them.”
    The closure of parts of a farm in Devon on Friday made it the fourth attraction forced to shut after E.coli fears.
    World of Country Life, in Exmouth, closed its petting areas and deer train ride following infections in three children who visited the farm last month. The Health Protection Agency (HPA) is carrying out an investigation at the farm, though it has not been confirmed as the source.
    Prof Pennington said that parents should not “abandon the idea of visiting” petting farms, but they should “think very hard” about letting children under five touch the animals. He said children should especially avoid touching ruminants such as lambs, calves and young goats.
    He added that “increased awareness by GPs” of E.coli could also be another contributing factor to the sudden increase in cases.
    Four people have also become infected after visiting White Post Farm at Farnsfield, Notts, though no direct link has been confirmed there.
    Forty-nine cases of E.coli have been linked to Godstone Farm in Surrey, which closed last week. Its sister farm, Horton Park Children’s Farm in Epsom, has also been shut because of hygiene concerns.
    Nine children are among those with infections linked to Godstone Farm. The HPA said that one of the children was expected to be allowed home on Saturday, with the others remaining in a stable condition,.
    Earlier this week, the HPA apologised for delays in its handling of the Godstone Farm outbreak and announced that an external investigation would be carried out.
    The HPA had said the first case came to light on August 27, but it later emerged that the agency received a report of two cases a week before. E.coli expert says young children must avoid farm animals - Telegraph . They would never cope in LOS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles View Post
    ^The temples, innit.
    Yes, well, it can't be for the Thai food, apparently it's umm, all the same flavor.


    sweet, sour, salty, savoury.... the entire world of gastronomy needs to be re-educated.

    Step on up BG.

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    I only got food poisoning twice in Thailand, once on PhiPhi, once at a pseudo-farang joint on Samui. Noticed the govt supplied wash hands signs and for inspected places that likely paid Bt200 a "Food Safe" or whatever sign. Those have been all over for a few years. Still see the pet roaches and friends rambling around those places. Hek, if the food smelled safe, I ate. Drop a spoon on the ground, pick it up, wipe it off and continue eating.

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    Cant remember ever falling ill from food while in Thailand. I think a bit of street food does wonders for the immune system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman Mao
    Step on up BG.
    Not only is food unsanitary, but it is all the same shit, 3 squares a day of the same shit, about 6 spices with plenty of garlic and chili, thats why Thai have less taste buds than most folks, proven fucking fact.
    As far aas farm animals, thats bullshit too, I was raised with animals, horses, cows, Chickens, a few coyote pups in the spring, plus dead game animals for food.
    Kids get all kinds of shit from other kids and when they bring it home as we did, it should not be to hard on us as we have has it already.

    Everything here is "CURRY", wifey has same shit she had for supper, least looks same and smells same, I have hot cakes, Bacon and eggs. or oatmeal and toast, biscuits and Gravy or steak and eggs with hash brown spuds.
    Wifey has some curry shit for lunch, or some small dried fishes that smell like unwashed pussy, and rice with some red curry looking shit that is dry crumbly shit, I have a couple Ham samwiches and tater salad or a coiple hamburgers,

    For supper,,Wifey has some curry shit or maybe she will eat a nice strip loin steak, med-rare, sheep herder spuds, cole slaw and vegs. same as I have.
    And I have some north atlantic cod fillets and I make a killer Fish and french fries [Chips]
    Now that just beats the shit outta your Som Tam with rotten paddy crabs, or some Balall dug out of the ass hole cut in that plank you set on to take a shit in the old 2 holer. or some hald rotten, fly plown pork that has been laying out in the sun for 2 days. Or maybe some really fresh Placenta [after birth] from that calf that was born this morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles
    Food Hygiene Standards Practices and Attidude Towards
    Are you really Yoda?

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    The hygiene standards are improving slowly, but surely. I do think things are OTT in the west though and as Chas said, you've got to get sick to get stronger. That being said, I'd prefer not to contract food poisoning if possible. I think I've had mild food poisoning maybe 4 times in 8 years, but I've no idea what type of establishment it came from (it may have been from home).

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    On my first visit I was a bit of sceptic about street food, however, I have eaten frequently since without any ill effects!

    A visual check is needed.

    If the stall is well presented and kept clean, which I find most are, I will eat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    a nice strip loin steak, med-rare, sheep herder spuds, cole slaw and vegs.
    That also seems to be MTD's favorite too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    The hygiene standards are improving slowly, but surely. I do think things are OTT in the west though and as Chas said, you've got to get sick to get stronger. That being said, I'd prefer not to contract food poisoning if possible. I think I've had mild food poisoning maybe 4 times in 8 years, but I've no idea what type of establishment it came from (it may have been from home).

    The reported cases of food poisoning in the UK always seem to point to a commercial establishment, whereas, the truth, I fear, is that people often poison
    themselves at home.

    Everyone cooks, but how many people have had any food hygiene training or instruction?

    If everybody had to take a 'Basic Food Hygiene' course, we'd see a dramatic decrease in food poisoning.
    When all is said and done, more is said than done!

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    I don't think getting food poisoning makes you stronger, or more resisitant

    as for the risk in the UK, there have been a couple of high profile closures of restaurants recently, with quite a few people getting very sick (E.Coli)

    most people might get the runs the next day and not report it
    I have reported your post

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    The hygiene standards are improving slowly, but surely.
    debatable , compare the 1/2 life of plastic to that of banana leaves .

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    Have been eating all over the place for many years, and though the hygiene standards give me the heeby-jeebies I've never had any reaction at all, except for the general crappy taste of the food, and the crummy quality.

    So it's survivable. One thing I learnt early on in coming to Asia, don't look too closely and don't ask, just eat, else you'll end up starving. And stay away from 'western food'. It's either hellishly expensive or miserable quality and preparation, probably both.

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