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    Coup Rumours - Who cares? They're on the same side!

    All the recent news reporting about a possible "new" coup "triggered" by "anticipated" Red Shirt violence amid the 2006 coup's anniversary gives me pause for thought.

    And the thought is this:

    So what if there's another coup? The army, The Democrats, senior members of the PC, the Chinese-Thai business class, the PAD, and anyone else who worries that one-person-one-vote will harm their wealth and priviledge --- are ALL on the same side.

    A coup would make no difference to the disenfranchisement of one-person-one-vote system. In fact, it may have been the game plan for a long time. The present Government "hangs in there, doing its best for the people" but then some "trigger" happens "violence flares" - and well, I guess there just won't be the opportunity for an election. But hey, don't blame the Democrats..."They tried"

    Think about it. They're all on the same side. Coup, no coup, doesn't matter - same people pulling the strings either way. This has probably been all mapped out for quite a while.

    Do you think this is plausible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post

    Think about it. They're all on the same side. Coup, no coup, doesn't matter - same people pulling the strings either way. This has probably been all mapped out for quite a while.
    This should tell you everything you need to know. Same as it ever was - for several decades. Same as it ever was.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer
    the 2006 coup's anniversary gives me pause for thought.
    You should have paused and thought a few more seconds and posted this in the correct forum.

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    To a limited extent yes similar goals for some on your list.
    In many ways no, just each alone protecting his personal cash cow
    and defensively making temporary alliances for that end.

    Each coup is typically from the opposing factions military cousins.
    But while the last was very delicate, the next will have revenge in it's heart.
    This next iteration should be stalled another 15 years, at least,
    so the players are new. If not prevented forever, but TIT, not likely.
    Everything you know is wrong. So don't sweat it.

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    I see no reason why a coup would happen - the Democrats and the gov't are not threatening the Army, or the established status quo, so why a coup?

    There might be warring factions -- within the army -- so, if anything happens, it'd make for some interesting developments.

    Of course, if a coup were to happen, it would be the Coup de Grace for Thailand's economy - forget about tourism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer
    So what if there's another coup? The army, The Democrats, senior members of the PC, the Chinese-Thai business class, the PAD, and anyone else who worries that one-person-one-vote will harm their wealth and priviledge --- are ALL on the same side.

    A coup would make no difference to the disenfranchisement of one-person-one-vote system. In fact, it may have been the game plan for a long time. The present Government "hangs in there, doing its best for the people" but then some "trigger" happens "violence flares" - and well, I guess there just won't be the opportunity for an election. But hey, don't blame the Democrats..."They tried"

    Think about it. They're all on the same side. Coup, no coup, doesn't matter - same people pulling the strings either way. This has probably been all mapped out for quite a while.
    gee, you are genius, aren't you ?

    still haven't figured what this is all about, have you ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    You should have paused and thought a few more seconds and posted this in the correct forum.
    You would think DrBob would know what forum to post in, must just be part of the soft entrance act.

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    The status quo will probably remain till Elvis decides to leave the building then all hell will break loose, just my worthless opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles
    You would think DrBob would know what forum to post in,
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    BB, yep...that's when I'll be taking an extended holiday in another country...I dread that eventuality.

    This isn't the first set of coup rumours, it wont be the last. Abhisit's main problem appears to be with the police, where most of the powerful seem to be red shirt sympathisers or full on supporters. Of course they have friends in the army as well, but as demonstrated clearly at the last red shirt infraction, the army came out to deal with the red shirts...while the police stood idly by...so, unless it is a coup driven by the police, it seems unlikely...and I can't see the police taking on the army.
    "Slavery is the daughter of darkness; an ignorant people is the blind instrument of its own destruction; ambition and intrigue take advantage of the credulity and inexperience of men who have no political, economic or civil knowledge. They mistake pure illusion for reality, license for freedom, treason for patriotism, vengeance for justice."-Simón Bolívar

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    unless it is a coup driven by the police, it seems unlikely...and I can't see the police taking on the army.
    The amy has always and will always hold the power in Thailand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    gee, you are genius, aren't you ?

    still haven't figured what this is all about, have you ?
    Can you enlighten the less informed with your perspective...

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    BB, yep...that's when I'll be taking an extended holiday in another country...I dread that eventuality.
    Be inclined to agree. The outpouring of grief on one side and relief on the other is going to make for a very volatile time in Thailand. Everyone wearing black for a week is gonna look pretty surreal and non conformers will feel very conspicuous.
    Definately , the end of an era .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muadib View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    gee, you are genius, aren't you ?

    still haven't figured what this is all about, have you ?
    Can you enlighten the less informed with your perspective...
    Are you a fvckin masochist??

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    No, BF makes open-ended statements like this implying that there is a hidden agenda amongst the normally chaotic Thai means of governing the people...

    We all know about the reds, yellows, blues, Dems. Thaksinites, HMK and Army... What could be more confusing than these inter-relationships??? If he has some insight I would like to hear it as apposed to insinuating that everyone other than him is clueless...
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    Good luck. You'll need it


    Actually it's not very confusing at all. It's only confusing if you overestimate the Thai mind.

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    Whatever his motives, Thaksin actually both promised and delivered something to the people.
    Obviously, his resultant popularity became perceived as a threat to the 'other' people.
    And that is all that this is about.

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    ^ Thanks Sabang... So, all of this posturing is in response to a possible return of ole square-jaw...

    He may still be popular in Isaan, but as time slips away his memory and influence wanes... I would think the power base is securely solidified even when the inevitable occurs and Thaksin will remain frozen out...

    There are moments of lucidity even during lapses of reason... The trick is differentiating between the blather and the facts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muadib
    Can you enlighten the less informed with your perspective...
    Can you enlighten me over on the DrBob thread? I'm still waiting for you to back up your bullshit claim.

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    Not sure what you're referring to doodles as I already responded to your troll post on that thread... Other than at least one poster has been jailed for making reference to your family history... The other wasn't jailed because the statement was made to you in a repo comment, that YOU chose to post on the open forum... Which is the reason she wasn't jailed...

    What could be more plain than that, or are you just thick??? Never mind, I answered my own question...

    Take you bait and dance around in the rain like the fool that you are...

    I'll be back in BKK in the morning if you would like to discuss this in person...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muadib
    So, all of this posturing is in response to a possible return of ole square-jaw
    It's moved beyond that at the more cerebral end of things though. It's about peoples right for their vote to be counted, and recognised.
    Thaksin- ousted in a coup after being both voted in by a record margin, and the only Thai PM to ever be democratically re-elected, is an ideal figurehead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muadib
    He may still be popular in Isaan
    He is- but not as overwhelmingly as you might think, with all the simplistic rhetoric around. My provice, Ubon, voted in candidates from four parties- the most electorally diverse in the nation.
    He's even stronger in the North actually.
    And 48% of the popular vote in Bangkok was for the PPP at the last democratic elections.
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    The suspension of elections and naming of Abhisit as PM is the obvious action of the power base to continue to surpress the wishes of the people... The level of rhetoric from the opposition is dwindling though... A few protests by the reds are hardly a precursor to insurrection...

    The next few years will be very interesting for Thai politics and the people's rights to self-government... As long as the crown controls the military, therein lies the agenda...

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    Uncle Karl described it all 150 years ago:

    The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his "natural superiors", and has left no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous "cash payment". It has drowned out the most heavenly ecstacies of religious fervor, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom -- Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation
    Rather late in the day, Thaksin is Thailand's own bourgeois revolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muadib
    I'll be back in BKK in the morning if you would like to discuss this in person..

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    What doodles, no balls to back up your stalking???

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