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    American Law!

    I was watching that movie, "American Violet", please tell me that IS NOT how the Americans decide justice?

    I know it is only a movie - but it is apperently based on a true story! Do 95% of people arrested/indited, opt for plea bargaining?

    What a fucking mess your country is in!

    you plea bargain - you lose all welfare rights / medicare... for what it's worth - by admitting guilt? Seems like one hell of a fucked up place to be - and I complain about Thailand!!!!!

    And this law you have "Three strikes and you're out?" Is it a baseball game or, seriously does it mean if I steal a 1/2 cent from anywhere 3 times, I can be jailed for life!

    I also understand that the movie is portraying possible SCUM in a bit of a God Fearing well behaved light, but really, is this how it works over there?

    If it is you lot are fucked before you start! - crushed like cockroaches, by the people you voted for (or not if the truth was known - Gore should have been your president, not that slimebag Bush!)
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    Yes and boston legal is also 100 percent true!

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    The Land Of The Free! Ho de fuckin Ho

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    Yes and boston legal is also 100 percent true!

    Sex in the City - The Dukes of Hazard - yes we know they are all true - what I asked about was the US LAW!

    Is it true 95% of cases are "plea bargained" is it true, 3 times caught stealing a Wrigleys gum can get you life? Simple question, nothing more.

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    Sibel Edmonds has just been allowed to talk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missismiggins
    Do 95% of people arrested/indited, opt for plea bargaining?
    Not sure about the 95% but it is a very common practice. Accused pleads guilty to a lesser charge to avoid the cost of a trial. Plea bargains are made when someone agrees to testify against another. Very common in drug cases where a pusher is arrested and agrees to testify against his supplier.

    Surprised it doesn't happen in other countries. Maybe it does.

    Three strikes you're out applies in certain states. Must be a felony offense so stealing a penny don't count.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    That's pretty worrying - like they can just pick you up for a suspected murder, offer you a plea bargain of 20 years on probation - or risk getting the gas chamber???

    Fuck - leave Iraq alone - I think it has more democracy than the states!

    It is a joke - land of the free! Land of The Scared more like, god help you when it gets to the stage the USA is at!

    They can practically have you committed as a felon/guilty person, by threatening you with a "STIFF" sentence - i.e. make you confess to something you didn't do - as the ultimate consequences are a damn site worse! - Freedom eh"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missismiggins
    like they can just pick you up for a suspected murder, offer you a plea bargain of 20 years on probation - or risk getting the gas chamber???
    Not quite. The prosecution has to go to a grand jury where it is determined if there is sufficient evidence for an indictment can be brought against the suspect. If the indictment is granted the suspect could be offered a plea bargain. If he really is innocent he can refuse it and go to court.

    The UK does the same except use the term "discounting".

    Course you prolly don't want to hear any of this this given your obsessive need to trash America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Missismiggins
    like they can just pick you up for a suspected murder, offer you a plea bargain of 20 years on probation - or risk getting the gas chamber???
    Not quite. The prosecution has to go to a grand jury where it is determined if there is sufficient evidence for an indictment can be brought against the suspect. If the indictment is granted the suspect could be offered a plea bargain. If he really is innocent he can refuse it and go to court.
    Boy that must be a difficult produre!

    The UK does the same except use the term "discounting".

    (We used to know it as T.I.C)

    Course you prolly don't want to hear any of this this given your obsessive need to trash America.
    I am not trashing anyone, simply trying to understand what and why!

    To be perfectly honest, the USA has trashed itself - look at the debt, look at the borrowing, and then look at the government, and see where you are! The UK is going down the same road, it is simply an obsrvation, but you are getting fucked by your own "ELECTED" government, thats all - and you just lye there and take it!

    Bush and his cronies have fucked the lot of you! Fucked up the arse with your pants round your ankles, sad, very sad!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Missismiggins
    like they can just pick you up for a suspected murder, offer you a plea bargain of 20 years on probation - or risk getting the gas chamber???
    Not quite. The prosecution has to go to a grand jury where it is determined if there is sufficient evidence for an indictment can be brought against the suspect. If the indictment is granted the suspect could be offered a plea bargain. If he really is innocent he can refuse it and go to court.

    The UK does the same except use the term "discounting".

    Course you prolly don't want to hear any of this this given your obsessive need to trash America.

    Grand Jury???? No fucker is ever going to seee a GRAND JURY - cause they all plea bargain and get fucked before they start! Shit you want to gamble 20 years in the nick or settle for 10 on probation ROTTEN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missismiggins View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missismiggins
    like they can just pick you up for a suspected murder, offer you a plea bargain of 20 years on probation - or risk getting the gas chamber???
    Not quite. The prosecution has to go to a grand jury where it is determined if there is sufficient evidence for an indictment can be brought against the suspect. If the indictment is granted the suspect could be offered a plea bargain. If he really is innocent he can refuse it and go to court.
    Boy that must be a difficult produre!

    The UK does the same except use the term "discounting".

    (We used to know it as T.I.C)

    Course you prolly don't want to hear any of this this given your obsessive need to trash America.
    I am not trashing anyone, simply trying to understand what and why!
    Why? Certainly has nothing to do with legalities and a promoting goodness towards a civil society. Big big business. The Prison/Jailing/Policing/Legal/Plea Bargain/Parole Industrial Complex is clearly the #1 growth industry {next to military} in the states. Vested interest all around. Business comes first. The softened ideals of a plea bargaining and parole system had come about by simple attrition and practicalities, else you'd have half the population behind bars - today only a fifth of the population is serving time {or has a history of}. Comes with the territory. Police State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Missismiggins
    Do 95% of people arrested/indited, opt for plea bargaining?
    Not sure about the 95% but it is a very common practice. Accused pleads guilty to a lesser charge to avoid the cost of a trial. Plea bargains are made when someone agrees to testify against another. Very common in drug cases where a pusher is arrested and agrees to testify against his supplier.

    Surprised it doesn't happen in other countries. Maybe it does.
    In Thailand if you plead guilty your sentence is automatically halved.

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    As long as it is again USA then Miggins will believe it so there is no need to argue with him, I usually do not open any of his posts because they are all the same and are all bullshit, I have been arrested for many offenses in the states as well as in some other places.
    I think their legal system could be the best and is a damn site better than here or as far as I can see the UK too.
    If a guy has committed his 3rd felony and has proven that he can not live in a society and by their rules, such as a paedo, then he should be separated from the rest of the society or put to death, but never let lose on the people again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    As long as it is against the USA then Miggins will believe it so there is no need to argue with him, I usually do not open any of his posts because they are all the same and are all bullshit
    I agree with you BG, but Miggins does not debate anything, he just keeps spouting secondhand nonsense

    when you attempt to correct him, he immediately moves the goalposts and carries on as if you had said nothing

    then he has the temerity to have a go at my good self, just because I was poking him with a stick through his bars

    anyway, the point is, he is a foolish man who has little original thinking and is easily led by propaganda
    I have reported your post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    Course you prolly don't want to hear any of this this given your obsessive need to trash America.
    I am not sure that is true, but you are certainly wasting your time, Norton

    he is just repeating what he has been told by men who are slightly cleverer than himself

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    Well Andy, I got to agree with you there, which makes me wonder why you post such bullshit when it is not necessary and why not more logical posts of a more intelligent nature?
    Most generally you seem to want to be another Antsy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    As long as it is again USA then Miggins will believe it so there is no need to argue with him, I usually do not open any of his posts because they are all the same and are all bullshit, I have been arrested for many offenses in the states as well as in some other places.
    I think their legal system could be the best and is a damn site better than here or as far as I can see the UK too.
    If a guy has committed his 3rd felony and has proven that he can not live in a society and by their rules, such as a paedo, then he should be separated from the rest of the society or put to death, but never let lose on the people again.
    I questioned the 95% plea bargain rate - it appears (by the US statistics that is in excess of 90% - so yes, I tend to believe it - frankly I am surprised they dare publish it)

    So you have been arrested for "many offences" and you agree with "Three Strikes and out?" What's keeping you out then? If it is such a great system why are you not locked up for life?

    Who is talking about Paedophiles?

    I am talking about the movie "American Violet" and the fact that the DA can (could - the law has been changed) get an indictment based on one persons testimony - (who turned out to be a schitzo) Then, go on to prosecute that person - with virtually no evidence, offer her a plea bargain for 10 years probation, or 16-25 years in jail if it went to a jury - I think that stinks!

    No doubt she was no angel, but if the shoe was on the other foot - and you got FRAMED - (and you were black) what chance would you feel like you had against a Texas jury?

    Take your kids away, jail you for 20 years - or plead guilty and go home the same day? (and appently - the state receives more finance for the more "guitly" convictions it gets) Personally, if I had to go up in front of the beak - I would much rather do it in the UK where at least there is a semblance of justice, than in either Thailand - where you would be judged on your financial contributions via the back door, or the USA where the same applies.

    The strange thing I find is that most Americans defend their system, whether from ignorance or whatever - and they cannot see the shit they are fed on a daily basis.

    One day you lot just might wake up and do to your own government what you did to the Brits a few hundred years ago!

    And I am not having a go at Americans - I am having a go about the shite you are fed every single minute by your own media - the problem that you seem to have is differentiating between the TV and reality!
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    Sibel Edmonds has just been allowed to talk

    Sibel Edmonds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Hadn't heard of her before, but that is quite interesting! Says a lot!

    The place is a mess - they have a death rate from shootings of 1: 27000, the Uk has 1: 1 million, and did you know that 65% of American children of school age cannot find Britain on a map?(probably on par with Thailand)

    I bet they can find a Mac Donalds though, or a Burger King, on my last visit to that great country, most of them were unable to use their legs, for some reason they even found it necessary to have "Drive in Banks" where the overweight fuckers didn't even need to get out of their cars to do some banking - and the TV? 200 channels of SHIT - I used to moan about the BBC - but Jesus - spend a few days watching the mind numbing crap that they are spoonfed on a daily basis - most normal people would throw the TV out - but no - they have it on all day, no matter where you go!

    They have the highest percentage of people behind bars for any "civilised" country, they are fatter than ever before (25 pounds fatter on average than they were in 1960.)
    They die younger than most other civilised countries - what could be wrong????

    Now their debt has crippled them ( and probably everyone else - but they still spout their sanctimonious crap) The problem lies within, not in Iraq, not in the Middle East - but at the heart of their government (or should I say plunderers) - Ever read the book "Who Moved The Cheese?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by lysander View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Missismiggins
    Do 95% of people arrested/indited, opt for plea bargaining?
    Not sure about the 95% but it is a very common practice. Accused pleads guilty to a lesser charge to avoid the cost of a trial. Plea bargains are made when someone agrees to testify against another. Very common in drug cases where a pusher is arrested and agrees to testify against his supplier.

    Surprised it doesn't happen in other countries. Maybe it does.
    In Thailand if you plead guilty your sentence is automatically halved.
    And you are automatically guilty once collared by the filth, there is no "innocent until proven guity" here you are paraded before the local TV to stage a reconstruction of your "Crime" before you even go to court! the police must have the best conviction rate in the world bar China!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missismiggins
    So you have been arrested for "many offences" and you agree with "Three Strikes and out?" What's keeping you out then? If it is such a great system why are you not locked up for life? Who is talking about Paedophiles?
    Because getting drunk and fighting or driving is not a felony unless you kill someone while drunk driving and 3 strikes is on felony and is not done in all states, it is only idiots like you that know nothing about States and laws and think one size fits all and fail to use INTERNET as an educational tool.
    And paedo is a felony and it should be an automatic life or the capitol punishment on a second strike for Paedo offenses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Missismiggins
    And I am not having a go at Americans - I am having a go about the shite you are fed every single minute by your own media - the problem that you seem to have is differentiating between the TV and reality!
    And if you believe everything that is on entertainment TV or movies then watch "Planet of the Apes",,"Alice in Wonderland",, or "Vanishing Point", you are sure to come back here with some more of your stupid bullshit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Missismiggins
    Now their debt has crippled them ( and probably everyone else - but they still spout their sanctimonious crap
    Well if that is the USA, then what happened to GB or UK or what ever you call it and what happen to Thailand, China and the rest of the world, do you mean that you all depend on the USA to carry your fucking luggage all your worthless life?
    About time you were responsible for yourself isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    Well Andy, I got to agree with you there, which makes me wonder why you post such bullshit when it is not necessary and why not more logical posts of a more intelligent nature?
    Most generally you seem to want to be another Antsy.

    I was wondering the same about you, BG

    seems like if I agree with you, I am logical and intelligent. If I disagree, I am a pervert and a cocksucker

    oh well, nobodies perfect

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    What's the term that DrBob has used so eloquently? Solipsism....?? Seems to apply itself quite conveniently and often amongst a percentage of members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Missismiggins
    So you have been arrested for "many offences" and you agree with "Three Strikes and out?" What's keeping you out then? If it is such a great system why are you not locked up for life? Who is talking about Paedophiles?
    Because getting drunk and fighting or driving is not a felony unless you kill someone while drunk driving and 3 strikes is on felony and is not done in all states, it is only idiots like you that know nothing about States and laws and think one size fits all and fail to use INTERNET as an educational tool.
    And paedo is a felony and it should be an automatic life or the capitol punishment on a second strike for Paedo offenses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Missismiggins
    And I am not having a go at Americans - I am having a go about the shite you are fed every single minute by your own media - the problem that you seem to have is differentiating between the TV and reality!
    And if you believe everything that is on entertainment TV or movies then watch "Planet of the Apes",,"Alice in Wonderland",, or "Vanishing Point", you are sure to come back here with some more of your stupid bullshit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Missismiggins
    Now their debt has crippled them ( and probably everyone else - but they still spout their sanctimonious crap
    Well if that is the USA, then what happened to GB or UK or what ever you call it and what happen to Thailand, China and the rest of the world, do you mean that you all depend on the USA to carry your fucking luggage all your worthless life?
    About time you were responsible for yourself isn't it?
    Getting drunk and fighting seems no problem, but you seeem to find drunk driving Ok - the rest of your response is incoherrent - but the drunk driving, kind of sums up your mentality - Drunk Driving - 1 strike you are out!

    And as for debt - your Jew fucking government did that to the entire world!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missismiggins
    And as for debt - your Jew fucking government did that to the entire world!
    yeah, the bloody jew Obama is the bastard Israeli pervert, things have come to this when those jew governments corrupt and deprave innocent little people who are pure Aryan, damn it, get out that jew list again

    wait a minute, he must be a black jew bastard, not many of those to a pound

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