Thread: Our respective homelands

Yea, it is true that I am from America.

Actually grew up in the heartland of the USA, studied the books and listened to the teachers. Well the truth is I am a hillbilly, but did shit in school.

Who gives a shit? I don't. Now in the middle stages of life I have met and worked with people from all different walks of life and nationalities. You know what? Some of them are excellent and some of them are pond scum.

America is good, America is bad. England is good, England is bad. Germany is good, Germany is bad. France is bad, France is good....This country is bad, my country is good. Who really gives a fuck?

The reality is that I will probably die in Thailand like a lot of you other fuckers will.

Dying is easy, living is hard.

Give it a break boys...

Nice sentiment, I think.

Perhaps you should go post it in the 'teach us history jeffects' where the pro Merkins jeffects and driventowank are thumping their red, white and blue chests.

Yes and no. Sure, not every American belongs to the Blackgang-Boon Mee-Jeffects-Driventowank axis of idiocy and I do feel sorry that decent Americans have to carry that Jupiter-sized cross but America's failings are not the failings of France or Britian or Germany (now, at least). The world pays a terrible, terrible price for America's failings. The greed, corruption, hypocrisy, and violence from which your country suffers and which it in turn inflicts on the world is an awful thing. America is not alone in this (my country, Britain, deserves to be on the receiving end of a lot more violence that it gets or is likely to get) but it is by far the biggest, loudest, most boastful arsehole in the neighbourhood and as long as it continues to be this and to do this, and as long as Americans continue to benefit form this horror, some mildly offensive comments seem pretty insignificant in comparison.

Originally Posted by Dan

Yes and no. Sure, not every American belongs to the
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as long as Americans continue to benefit form this horror, some mildly offensive comments seem pretty insignificant in comparison.

Originally Posted by hillbilly

Give it a break boys..

Olive branch extended. Olive branch accepted; and used as Kindling.
Nice try there, HB. Some fuck-wits just can't "let it rest." But, as you said; "Who gives a fuck?"

Yes, especially a cocksucker like that DAN asshole, always some son of a bitch like him ain't there.

How about this deal then.

The Plan!
?
Robin Williams, wearing a shirt that says 'I love New York ' in Arabic.
You gotta love Robin Williams......Even if he's nuts! Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan. What we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message.
Robin Williams' plan...(Hard to argue with this logic!)
'I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan.'
1) 'The US will apologize to the world for our 'interference' in their affairs, past & present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those 'good 'ole' boys', we will never 'interfere' again.
2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany , South Korea , the Middle East , and the Philippines . They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed sneaking through holes in the fence.
3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of whom or where they are. They're illegal!!! France will welcome them.
4) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit!!!! No one from a terrorist nation will be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.
5) No foreign 'students' over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a 'D' and it's back home baby.
6) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while
7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go someplace else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)
8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not 'interfere.' They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.
9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island someplace. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.
10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us 'Ugly Americans' any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH..learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a winner of a plan?
'The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'you want a piece of me?'

Well the reason why it does continue is because there are to many people that 'don't give a fuck'

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

Well the reason why it does continue

What?? Define 'It" willya?

As any idiot would have noticed, I included Britain in my criticisms. I realise you're a high-school drop-out with only a marginal grasp of English but I would have thought that that inclusion made it fairly clear that my criticisms were proportional to the actions of the countries. Millions dead in Asia, Africa and Latin America because of your country. And you say "who gives a fuck?" Well, I'd imagine those who care about those deaths give a fuck. And against that, you have to endure a few light insults. Bo-fucking-hoo. Grow up, you fucking child. And if you don't give a fuck, why are you posting? Really, an autistic fucking haddock looks like Einstein next to you.

Originally Posted by hillbilly

America is good, America is bad. England is good, England is bad. Germany is good, Germany is bad. France is bad, France is good....This country is bad, my country is good. Who really gives a fuck?

What a breath of fresh air to read a sensible and well balanced post instead of this continual bickering, boasting and partisan sniping.

Why can't we all accept that every country has its good points - especially Australia.

Just the same shit from another shit talking moron. Your arguments and rants; simply rhetorical babble, without substance. Repetitious and hackneyed.

So why don't you tell us all how America hasn't been responsible for the deaths of millions; how America hasn't launched illegal wars around the world; how America hasn't overthrown democratic governments; how America hasn't provided arms to corrupt, repressive regimes; how America hasn't flouted international agreements; how America hasn't done everything in its power to scupper action on climate change; how America hasn't created and exploited economic disasters around for the world for the commercial benefit of Americas and as a direct consequence left countless millions in absolute poverty. How, in fact, America doesn't violate pretty much every moral principal you can think of. Come on Frankie. Off you go boy....After all, all those charges are, as you said, "without substance". None of it ever happened, right, so could you explain why so many people think that it happened and think that it continues to happen. Thanks.

We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany , South Korea , the Middle East , and the Philippines . They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed sneaking through holes in the fence.

Gunboat Diplomacy just evolves and it is never about human rights , just economic rights.

next is the Chinese version anyway.

Originally Posted by Dan

So why don't you tell us all how America hasn't been responsible for

Just supposing you are correct,, don't you think that GB or England had their turn first,, come on, tell us it never happened.

I do not say that what ever has happened was the right way to go but it has happened.

So does that make you correct in being a ranting. blithering idiot BIGOT?

Originally Posted by Dan

Just the same shit from another shit talking moron. Your arguments and rants; simply rhetorical babble, without substance. Repetitious and hackneyed.

So why don't you tell us all how America hasn't been responsible for the deaths of millions; how America hasn't launched illegal wars around the world; how America hasn't overthrown democratic governments; how America hasn't provided arms to corrupt, repressive regimes; how America hasn't flouted international agreements; how America hasn't done everything in its power to scupper action on climate change; how America hasn't created and exploited economic disasters around for the world for the commercial benefit of Americas and as a direct consequence left countless millions in absolute poverty. How, in fact, America doesn't violate pretty much every moral principal you can think of. Come on Frankie. Off you go boy....After all, all those charges are, as you said, "without substance". None of it ever happened, right, so could you explain why so many people think that it happened and think that it continues to happen. Thanks.

Of course moving here to Thailand you have found a country which is devoid of all the negative aspects you attribute to the USA. Welcome to Utopia Dan.

A rhetorical question I guess, but if another country beside the US had been the 'superpower' during our generation would it be any better. Or worse?

I was born in the UK. We kicked some serious ass before there was an internet, or free press.

I do not say that what ever has happened was the right way to go but it has happened.

So it happened and it was wrong for it to happen. Good, we agree.

Being sharp as a razors edge Dan, there is of cause no chance that you totally missed the sentiments and spirit of the OP, this is naturally the right place to offload all the paranoid garbage that clutters your otherwise brilliant mind, but I think you are a bit rude since you forgot to thank HB for this free therapy session, I really hope it has done you a world of good.

I didn't. The sentiments of the OP are clearly stated:

America is good, America is bad. England is good, England is bad. Germany is good, Germany is bad. France is bad, France is good....This country is bad, my country is good. Who really gives a fuck?

I responded precisely to this sentiment. It's bollocks. And there's nothing wrong in my pointing out that it's bollocks. If the OP had said, "The American state is essentially criminal but many Americans despise its actions so please don't tar all Americans with the same brush", I would have agreed wholeheartedly. He didn't though. It was another defence of American crimes. That being said, if, of course, you want to have a back-slapping Bud-drinking circle jerk with your pals, go ahead. As long you put a notice on the door, I won't interrupt you.

The US & British governments should be hung, drawn & quartered for their crimes, but that doesn't mean every person from those countries is to blame.

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None of it ever happened, right, so could you explain why so many people think that it happened and think that it continues to happen. Thanks.

Propaganda

Originally Posted by sabang

I was born in the UK.

Do you hold both an Aussie and a British passport mate?

Originally Posted by Dan

I didn't. The sentiments of the OP are clearly stated:

America is good, America is bad. England is good, England is bad. Germany is good, Germany is bad. France is bad, France is good....This country is bad, my country is good. Who really gives a fuck?

I responded precisely to this sentiment. It's bollocks. And there's nothing wrong in my pointing out that it's bollocks. If the OP had said, "The American state is essentially criminal but many Americans despise its actions so please don't tar all Americans with the same brush", I would have agreed wholeheartedly. He didn't though. It was another defence of American crimes. That being said, if, of course, you want to have a back-slapping Bud-drinking circle jerk with your pals, go ahead. As long you put a notice on the door, I won't interrupt you.

HB wrote there is god and bad people from every country, every country have done good and bad, slagging of at each others country's is boring and fruitless if it is just the normal stereotypical nonsense, in that context "who gives a fuck"

The obvious anger, nasty spite and hatred for all US foreign policies that oozes through every line of your posts, makes You stand out as a rabid fanatic, incapable of nuanced evaluations, thus You lose all credibility as someone that should be taken serious.

So You will understand why I wont use any more time replying to posts from You on this subject.

Have a nice day.

Originally Posted by larvidchr

The obvious anger, nasty spite and hatred for all US foreign policies that oozes through every line of your posts, makes You stand out as a rabid fanatic, incapable of nuanced evaluations, thus You lose all credibility as someone that should be taken serious.

So Larvi, Does this mean that you actually think that DAN baby is a complete asshole?
I do BTW.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

The US & British governments should be hung, drawn & quartered for their crimes, but that doesn't mean every person from those countries is to blame.

Agree - recent immigrants should be excused.