Thread: Please jeffects, teach us history!

Originally Posted by filch

I am English, but I don't shout it from the rooftops or rant on about good old blighty,

yep, wise choice, nor would I... it's that pride we have that drives us to do that, that you lack, that really grates you the most.. the word you're searching for is 'envy'....

Originally Posted by filch

I am not proud.

and so you'd like to us follow your example.. but...........

Originally Posted by Attilla the Hen

it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy,

that's a common misconception, it is never easy to do in a democracy...especially with volunteer military forces..

Originally Posted by Dan

You're an American so as you've suffered from one of the worst educational systems in the developed world,

it's always amazes me when ignorant and threatened people play this card as the accomplishments of America and it's citizens in a fraction of their existence over countries like England doesn't warrant such smugness nor does it bare out the suggestion of such ignorance of our citizens..

Originally Posted by Dan

Planning and executing wars of aggression is a war crime.

your right! that's why we diligently and courageously enforced international law against those who instigated the actions against us and the world and seek them out in whatever cave they hide..

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

Originally Posted by filch

I am English, but I don't shout it from the rooftops or rant on about good old blighty,

yep, wise choice, nor would I... it's that pride we have that drives us to do that, that you lack, that really grates you the most.. the word you're searching for is 'envy'....

Originally Posted by filch

I am not proud.

and so you'd like to us follow your example.. but...........

Originally Posted by Attilla the Hen

it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy,

that's a common misconception, it is never easy to do in a democracy...especially with volunteer military forces..

Originally Posted by Dan

You're an American so as you've suffered from one of the worst educational systems in the developed world,

it's always amazes me when ignorant and threatened people play this card as the accomplishments of America and it's citizens in a fraction of their existence over countries like England doesn't warrant such smugness nor does it bare out the suggestion of such ignorance of our citizens..

Originally Posted by Dan

Planning and executing wars of aggression is a war crime.

your right! that's why we diligently and courageously enforced international law against those who instigated the actions against us and the world and seek them out in whatever cave they hide..

Driven to wank, do your american friends a favour, dont try and help, you'll make it worse!

told ya so driving while wanking!

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

Originally Posted by filch

I am English, but I don't shout it from the rooftops or rant on about good old blighty,

yep, wise choice, nor would I... it's that pride we have that drives us to do that, that you lack, that really grates you the most.. the word you're searching for is 'envy'....

You are suggesting I am envious for not being an American?

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

Originally Posted by filch

I am not proud.

and so you'd like to us follow your example.. but...........

I am not asking anyone to follow anything you cockend.

Originally Posted by Dan

The Iraqis were in a bad situation from the Iraq-Iran war and couldn't afford to lose this money so wanted to force Kuwait's hand.

so now you're justifying the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait too?? poor Iraq Saddam and his ilk were just living in abject poverty!!!

Originally Posted by Dan

It was a far of aggression by the US.

and you have the brass to claim we have no education?? I guess it's just convenient for you to discount the world opinion on their unlawful invasion of Kuwait as it serves to bolster your false perspectives..

Originally Posted by Dan

(though under a regime like Saddam's, it's hard to call much of the army itself anything other than civilian)

this is the only accurate thing you've stated since you began posting..

Originally Posted by Dan

Within days of the start of the bombing campaign, there was NO electricity in Iraq. Four of the seven major pumping stations were destroyed. Twenty eight hospitals and fifty two health centres were bombed. Thirty eight schools were totally destroyed. All major cement production facilities were bombed. The list goes on and on. And all this is before the Americans and British inflicted the mediaeval horror of sanctions on the country, and then attacked it again. Millions dead. Millions. And, of course, Saddam was a bastard but he was your bastard, until he failed to be of use.

not substantiated facts but still who's fault is this? I'll answer for you since your intellectually challenged.. The answer...Saddam Hussein..... when you have 40,000 troops on your border even before you're getting the shit bombed out of you and still act like a prick railing against WORLD OPINION you get what you deserve and unfortunately innocents of YOUR country are going to get harmed that's why actions like his should be seriously considered if you are a responsible and caring leader..

Originally Posted by Dan

Pride in your country is not necessarily a bad thing, but pride in a murderous, genocidal regime of thugs and fascists is.

none of us are proud of the Burmese regime...

Originally Posted by filch

I believe it was Steve Wozniak, the co-founder of Apple Computers, who is of Polish descent.

pedantic!! every single person in America comes from somewhere else just as most in England and Great Britain do as well.. he's still American regardles of his ancestry...

Originally Posted by filch

were then stolen by Mr Gates, founder of Microsoft.

I think the term you're searching for is 'refined'...

Originally Posted by filch

My 'fantasyland' is clear, vivid and uncorrupted by seppo, nor British propaganda.

so how'd you manage that one? I'd really like to be enlightened as to where you developed your sharp rapier like wit and unfettered perspective?? In the jungles of Isaan with RS I suppose??

Originally Posted by Attilla the Hen

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

Originally Posted by Attilla the Hen

It took many wasted years for the US top brass to understand this very basic counter-insurgency tenet.

yeah so?? That's war is about, adapting and learning your enemy to overcome them, they have and now they have growing success on their side to prove it..

Originally Posted by Attilla the Hen

Does that mean critisizing your government is unpatriotic?

no...but your criticism should be based on facts and not unfounded or purely based on emotion..

Gawd help us! History lessons from Driventowank!
Whatever next!

who the fuck are you?? who are you calling Driventowank?? you bell end!!
yes it would do you massive good to shut your mouth, open your eyes and LEARN instead of displaying your unending ignorance and skewed perspectives..

Nature abhors a vacuum.

In this case, a vacuum has been replaced by another vaccum.

Originally Posted by Pedantic Cock

pedantic!!

You are indeed!

Making long multi-quoted posts and nitpicking through the whole thread. An excellent display of the word pedantic.

I'd also like to add the word cock after the word pedantic when adressing you, would you mind?

I don't think it can be Dino, his spelling is poor, but by Dino's standards he's a fucking genius.

^
You're right. I forgot about that. Poor old Dingo, sorry Dino, he could barely string a sentence together and his spelling was vary bad.

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

not substantiated facts but still who's fault is this? I'll answer for you since your intellectually challenged.. The answer...Saddam Hussein..... when you have 40,000 troops on your border even before you're getting the shit bombed out of you and still act like a prick railing against WORLD OPINION you get what you deserve and unfortunately innocents of YOUR country are going to get harmed that's why actions like his should be seriously considered if you are a responsible and caring leader..

so basically your saying that because Saddam would not listen to world (american) opinion, those innocents deserved to die??

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

it's that pride we have that drives us to do that, that you lack, that really grates you the most.. the word you're searching for is 'envy'....

Bollux

I'm British as well, and certainly don't envy you lot. I only feel pity for all the arrogant type of Yanks that only self beat their own chests, and saying how great they are. Puts the majority of Americans in a bad light.

Originally Posted by Propagator

Puts the majority of Americans in a bad light.

Well, about half of them.

Gee, Driving force is not ashamed of who he is. I knew eventually someone with a brain and some guts would show up. If any of you would like to take 3 minutes to veiw this from ABC News. (For those of you who don't know it is one of the more liberal news source here) view this link. We're leaving because our job there is nearly completed.

ABC News

Originally Posted by Jeffects

We're leaving because our job there is nearly completed.

Gee - are your arms long enough to slap your own back.

I hope that you can concede that this was a Multinational force and that it was not all your own work

Originally Posted by Jeffects

Gee, Driving force is not ashamed of who he is. I knew eventually someone with a brain and some guts would show up.

^ Jeffy has to be Galt / Summers... No one else could be this stupid...

Originally Posted by Muadib

BTW, who turned Jeffy green... Would have to be someone with a ton of repo... Tex perhaps??? Sounds about right as it appears that Jeffy is either a multi-nick or just another neo-con facist arse-wipe...

yeah i saw that.

Originally Posted by Jeffects

Gee, Driving force is not ashamed of who he is.

are you using DF as an example!?

oh too funny.

like I said, best troll ever

Originally Posted by Jeffects

I always vote. Marmite, Iraq was no threat? They lost the war, signed an unconditional surrender and constantly violated it for 12 years. Do you think the World is a better place without Saddam and his two crazy sons.

Saddam was already screwed by the time dubya invaded. Sanctions had brought him down to his knees, and all that was left of him was a lot of hot air. He didn't let the weapons inspectors in at times because he was acting tough - but that's all - acting. US intelligence (i know there is such a thing) really foked up on the WMD thing - well, that's what we are led to believe anyway as the USA isn't supposed to invade just because it wants oil.

So the invasion went ahead, and in a war against islamic exremists, the only non-islamic extremist country in the region has had the crap blown out of it, which has in turn invented many home grown extremists willing to kill any infidels and join the 'fight', aswell as letting in bands of foreign terrorists into a country which beforehand had no connectioins to al-quaida.

Ok, you killed Sadam for gassing kurds in the 1980's, but it has cost almost a million lives - how can you justify that?

To answer your question Jeff, i would say NO. The war in Iraq has not been a success, the world is NOT better off because of it, and YES it was a mistake to go there in the first place.

^ a mistake and illegal, possibly prosecutable under the Hague, maybe when Bush and Blair are dead, they will be judged postmortem on their war crimes