What should be the cash award for Lung Cancer

[blackgang]

Lots of things have been picked apart here, so how about the latest shot at a tobacco co. and the cash awarded to a surviving spouse of a lung cancer death.

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. - A jury decided Thursday that a longtime chain-smoker’s death from lung cancer was caused by nicotine addiction, a potentially costly loss for tobacco giant Philip Morris and an important test case for thousands of similar Florida lawsuits.
The lawsuit by Elaine Hess, widow of Stuart Hess, is the first of about 8,000 such cases to go to trial since the Florida Supreme Court in 2006 threw out a $145 billion jury award in a class-action lawsuit on behalf of thousands of smokers and their families.
The state’s high court upheld the conclusion that tobacco companies knowingly sold dangerous products and concealed smoking’s health risks, but ruled each case must be proven individually. Now that the jury has found that Hess was addicted, the case will proceed to the liability and damages phases.

Jury: Addiction caused smoker’s death - Addictions- msnbc.com.


I have had been a smoker since I was a little kid, pre school if memory serves me as my dad smoked Camels and my grandpa smoked Bull Durham rolling tobacco and Chesterfields when he was going into town or where it was to inconvenient or messy to roll em.
I used to steal a pak or a bag from his stash and sometimes would get a pak of dads cigs, but was afraid he would notice and even those many years ago it was forbidden for kid to smoke because they knew it was not a healthy thing to do.
Even tho they knew it was not good to smoke , I am not sure what they thought would happen if you did smoke, except the being short of breath and did blame that on smoking and maybe Emphysema and possibly even lung cancer even tho I never heard anyone actually say so.
But I smoked for at least 60 years and did try many times to quit, Hypnosis, Zyban a few times at many dollars for the meds for each trial, Trans dermal patches and did suffer the sore spots as I am allergic to the nicotine again my skin and did leave large raw spots so had to put them a different place each day, and even some Herbals, but I continued to smoke.
Then a year ago December I was hauled off from my house in an ambulance because I could not breath, which actually was a Candida infection in my throat and lungs, most likely caused from the condition of my lungs from smoking.
Anyway the Dr. I got here said that he could fix me up, but that I was going to have to quit smoking or there was nothing he could do and I was going to die.
So to make a long story short, I have not had a smoke since shortly before they loaded me up and I still crave one and would love to have a smoke right now, but I don't have that first smoke, so if I could quit 14 months ago because it was going to kill me, why was I not able to do it when I was 16 years old and told it would kill me or any time in between then and the time I had my last one??

[Nawty]

Anyone who expects a cash payout for smoking should be shot.

If You smoke....your bad luck in my books....go cry on someone elses shoulder

[English Noodles]

Anyone who expects a cash payout for smoking should be shot. If You smoke....your bad luck in my books....go cry on someone elses shoulder

It's just the typical American trait of being unable to take personal responsibility for there own actions.

[Nawty]

Yeah....like 'you want to upsize that to mutha fucking huge for an extra 10 cents'........duh yeah.

[Loy Toy]

Anyone who expects a cash payout for smoking should be shot. If You smoke....your bad luck in my books....go cry on someone elses shoulder

Exactly Nawty.................. and whilst I'm thinking about it I better get my lawyers to file a law suite against Johnny Walker for foooking up my liver as well!

Coont that Johny bloke is and that Malboro Man to boot!

[filch]

^
I concur!

Friggin ulcers! He gave me frikkin' ulcers the twonk! SUE HIM!

[blackgang]

Anyone who expects a cash payout for smoking should be shot.

If You smoke....your bad luck in my books....go cry on someone elses shoulder

I feel that way too, Like I said, my folks were not collage educated with a PHD in Biology or internal medicine, in fact I do not think that many had even been to high school, I know my dad hadn't, and he would have took the hide off my ass if he ever caught me smoking.
My grandpa would not have hit me but would have set me down in the barn and had a nice talk with me,, but now gram, she surely did love to see what a good willow switch would do as long as your bare back was in reach of her ever present switch.
funny how kids think, she need a new switch cause her old one was getting stiff, and you had fucked up, she give you a knife and told you to go down to the creek and get a new one.
Shit if we had been smart we would have got one about as big as a finger at the small end, she would never have hit us,, but what did we do,, get one smaller than finger size at the big end 4 feet long, and that som bitch was like a bull whip,

[jandajoy]

What was the name of the movie about the court case and the guy told all about the companies knowing smoking would kill you but suppressed the information and continued selling smokes anyway?

(what a terrible sentence)

[Nawty]

(what a terrible sentence)

How long did he get ?

[jandajoy]

How long did he get ?

a life, of flowing ecstasy.

[The Gentleman Scamp]

Anyone who expects a cash payout for smoking should be shot.

If You smoke....your bad luck in my books....go cry on someone elses shoulder

Woah woah WOAH just hold on a minute there, do you think us smokers WANT to be smokers? ...Any idea how difficult it is for some to stop?

I'd red you if for that I didn't know you better.

[jandajoy]

do you think us smokers WANT to be smokers

Of course you do or you'd stop.

[Nawty]

Exactly...^what he said.

He knows shit about flow and circulate...but on this he is 100% correctomundo.

But its ok scamp cos we understand that you are saying that you and every other smoker are weak minded individuals.

I had a little smoke 2 weeks ago, then again a month before that.....thats it, I can do when I want and not when I want...so either gather up some backbone and face it like a man....or go away and snivel in an ashtray somewhere else.

[More Volts Igor]

What was the name of the movie about the court case and the guy told all about the companies knowing smoking would kill you but suppressed the information and continued selling smokes anyway?

The Insider The Insider (1999) I think there were others too.

[jandajoy]

That's the one. Quite good I thought.

The point being that if the tobacco companies knew they were selling coffin nails and didn't tell the general public, fair go, sue 'em.

Nowadays we all know so it's up to us.

I smoke, lots, 'cos I can get em for under Au$ 5 a carton..Seems rude not to. But it's my choice and I'll live with the consequences.

It also depends on whether you inhale or not.

[barbaro]

Lots of things have been picked apart here, so how about the latest shot at a tobacco co. and the cash awarded to a surviving spouse of a lung cancer death.

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. - A jury decided Thursday that a longtime chain-smoker’s death from lung cancer was caused by nicotine addiction, a potentially costly loss for tobacco giant Philip Morris and an important test case for thousands of similar Florida lawsuits.....

This is a complicated legal matter, but perhaps a simpler moral matter, depending on....

you individual viewpoint.

Legally, there is an argument that tabacco is the, or one of the only, used consumder product, that when used as directed, causes death, and many diseases.

I studied it in school years ago. The tabacco lobby was very powerful in its day, also, politically.

So: legal, political, and moral, and health elements.

My viewpoint: I cannot say, because it's too complicated.

But I already know a few people who died from smoking. One person died at 48.

And....what about second-hand smoke? That is related, but a different issues, I suppose.

[jandajoy]

With the greatest of respect Milky you just said NOTHING.

[barbaro]

With the greatest of respect Milky you just said NOTHING.

True.

I can be indecisive, at times.

[jandajoy]

True. I can be indecisive, at times.

Fair enough.

[Marmite the Dog]

In my opinion a smoker who gets a terminal disease from smoking can go and fuck himself. And, I believe cigarettes should be banned.

[jandajoy]

In my opinion a smoker who gets a terminal disease from smoking can go and fuck himself. And, I believe cigarettes should be banned.

Fair point. NOW

[blackgang]

What was the name of the movie about the court case

I don't know as I didn't see it, but I did read the book I think and it was a good read and so true.

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp do you think us smokers WANT to be smokers

Of course you do or you'd stop.

I gotta agree with JJ as I tried to quit a zillion times, and when I decided to quit I did it, and I still want a smoke but I won't light one up and more than I would drink a beer.

It also depends on whether you inhale or not.

If you do not inhale cigs, what the hell you light them up for, do you think it looks COOL, that shit is for 8th graders,, now cigars might be something else, but I always inhaled every puff of a cigar too and I did smoke them for awhile.

With the greatest of respect Milky you just said NOTHING.

I gots to agree with JJ again, something must be wrong today,,555

In my opinion a smoker who gets a terminal disease from smoking can go and fuck himself. And, I believe cigarettes should be banned.

OK, Now what about rolling tobacco, and pipes and cigars, or are you just mad at cig smokers today?

[jandajoy]

OK, Now what about rolling tobacco, and pipes and cigars, or are you just mad at cig smokers today?

And chewing baccy

[blackgang]

Like I said when I opened this to discussion,
My dad and everyone else I knew of seem to know smoking was not good for you, so if they knew among the people that had never been to higher education institutes that smoking was not healthy and would not allow their children to smoke and cig dispensing machines and stores would not sell to minors then what the fuck seems to be the case again Tobacco company's for making and selling something that you want to use and seem to know that it is not healthy to use it, yet blame them for making you sick and paying tons of money to lawyers to handle cases on contingency where they get as much or more than the poor stupid asshole that is coughing his lungs out in big chunks on the courtroom floor.

[blackgang]

And chewing baccy

Yea and snoose, we use a lot of snoose up north where it to damn cold in the winter and to damn dry in the summer to smoke.

But that shit makes your lip rot off clear down to your chin,, Ugly as hell with no lower lip, makes it hard to drink your beer gracefully