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**Torbek** · 17-07-2006, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

While I thnk the tiered model represented is a crock and would say that the top four shoulr all be vertical off of the base, we can still argue that the top four are obtainable only when you are comfortable with yourself. Dunno man jsut appears that all of the top four deal with emotional well being... Those top four just don't hinge on job or geography.
Or any of the other things you mentioned. If you think they do, your limiting yourself.

I think you are probably right...at least to an extent.

As I said above, when I felt disquiet over the removal of some of the levels I thought had achieved, I made some changes. Some were tangible, some were mindset...so yes, I do feel I have been able to think, or rationalise myself, back through them. Perhaps refocusing on what family and friends mean to me, or what self-esteem really is...

So the model is more useful, perhaps, to just yourself focused on what might be lacking...physical or emotional...at any particular point in time, rather than some blueprint to happiness.

**NickA** · 17-07-2006, 08:51 AM

Well, when I started my woodcarving did I reach the top of the pyramid?

If so, I've slipped down recently (unless linux and DIY are creative)

**ChiangMai noon** · 17-07-2006, 08:56 AM

I play golf, so i think I'm up there at level 6.

**Torbek** · 17-07-2006, 09:46 AM

Woodcarving and golf?

Kind of level 5.

Idea is that if you pursue interests at level 5 you are supposedly engaging in the activities or talents that define the "true you" that you undertake for the sake of the activity itself...realising whatever potential it is you have to it's maximum.

If you got time and incliniation to fuck around with things like that, then you must be pretty sweet with the other 4 levels.

Golf could be level 5. Then again it could be level 3 as part of socialisation. Or level 4 if you are satisfying some self-esteem need.

Woodcarving could be level 5 as well. Or could be level 2 if you are doing to relieve some stress and seek some peace and stability oin the exercise.

Only you can really answer.

Maslow claims it is all pretty rigid. But he proposed it some decades back.

I think with modern westerners, we probably flit between 3, 4 and 5 with occasional slumps into 2.

**Lily** · 17-07-2006, 10:11 AM

Five and six seem like the same thing to me.

**ChiangMai noon** · 17-07-2006, 10:13 AM

There is no 6 Lily.

**Lily** · 17-07-2006, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

There is no 6 Lily.

Well, that's probably why.

Maybe I meant four and five.

I think I am there anyway.

**benbaaa** · 17-07-2006, 09:35 PM

It doesn't matter how happy or fulfilled you think you are, people. Smeg can always come up with a fancy diagram explaining why you aren't really.

Smeg, have you ever considered being one of those motivational speakers?

**Dougal** · 17-07-2006, 10:23 PM

OK I admit I hate it here, I mean really hate it.

It's blisteringly hot, the food is actaully crap and overpriced for what it is. I can't make myself understood when I go in the shops, the people around me make me feel like I'm inferior to them because I'm white.

The streets are full of shite and uncleared rubbish, it isn't safe to walk in areas in the city that aren't well lit - often it isn't safe even if they are well lit.

The police are f**king useless except when they pull you over for some minor traffic offence.

The traffic is a nightmare and the driving attrocious, public transport is inefficient, dirty and overcrowded.

Employers treat you like dirt and my chances of getting a pay rise are non-existent.

Hang on a mo .......... I'm still in London.

**dirtydog** · 17-07-2006, 10:36 PM

Dougal please try to keep your posts Thailand related

**Smeg** · 18-07-2006, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by surasak

You know, the same is true anywhere, yet, that doesn't seem to stop the masses of people immigrating everyhere.

If people were so satified with their lot in life then nobody on this earth would have ever sought out different people, different culture, different weather, etc. There would be no USA, no Australia, no Spanish speaking countries in Central and South America, no masses of Mexicans walking across the desert for a better life here in the States, etc.

And what percentage of the population of the planet ever emigrate during their lives? I'd think it was less than 2%, so hardly "masses", more a tiny minority, and not at all representative of common human behaviour. Widespread, yes.

I certainly wouldn't say that most human beings would class emigrating as being essential or even particularly useful to finding happiness in life. It is still classed as "abnormal" behaviour in my view.

**dirtydog** · 18-07-2006, 10:19 PM

10 percent of the UK is made up of immigrants from the 60s onwards.

**Smeg** · 18-07-2006, 10:29 PM

The UK, being classed as a rare "multi-cultural society" is hardly representative of the planet.

Maybe 2-3% of Brits live abroad. And that is probably one of the higher end emigrant countries.

**man with no head** · 19-07-2006, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Smeg

Originally Posted by surasak

You know, the same is true anywhere, yet, that doesn't seem to stop the masses of people immigrating everyhere.

If people were so satified with their lot in life then nobody on this earth would have ever sought out different people, different culture, different weather, etc. There would be no USA, no Australia, no Spanish speaking countries in Central and South America, no masses of Mexicans walking across the desert for a better life here in the States, etc.

And what percentage of the population of the planet ever emigrate during their lives? I'd think it was less than 2%, so hardly "masses", more a tiny minority, and not at all representative of common human behaviour. Widespread, yes.

I certainly wouldn't say that most human beings would class emigrating as being essential or even particularly useful to finding happiness in life. It is still classed as "abnormal" behaviour in my view.

The U.S. is a nation of mostly immigrants. Almost everyone here originated somewhere else at some time in the past. Very few are actually real Americans.

Currently, it's estimated that about 50 million residents of the United States were not born here (35 million legal and 15 million illegal).

**Lily** · 19-07-2006, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Smeg

I certainly wouldn't say that most human beings would class emigrating as being essential or even particularly useful to finding happiness in life. It is still classed as "abnormal" behaviour in my view.

Some of the millions of immigrants to Australia from Britain would probably disagree with you about that.

Australia is also populated by immigrants and their descendants.

**slimboyfat** · 19-07-2006, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by Lily

Some of the millions of bread thieves who came to Australia from Britain would probably disagree with you about that.

Australia is also populated by immigrants and convict descendants.

good point - although you may upset some australians with such comments.

**Lily** · 19-07-2006, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by slimboyfat

although you may upset some australians with such comments.

No, we are quite proud of it and especially since a large number were Irish political prisoners.

And we have noticed that having got rid of the British and Irish criminal element, crime came to an absolute standstill in Britain, didn't it?

But what a punishment eh?

**man with no head** · 19-07-2006, 09:45 AM

Foreign born populations of major world cities: Miami (59%), Toronto (44%), Los Angeles (41%), Vancouver (37%), New York (36%), Singapore (33%), Sydney (31%), London (28%), Paris (23%). Major countries: USA (15%), UK (10%), Canada (18%), Australia (25%), Thailand (taiguo huaren - 14%), Russian Federation (9%), Deutschland (9%).

**slimboyfat** · 19-07-2006, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Lily

And we have noticed that having got rid of the British and Irish criminal element, crime came to an absolute standstill in Britain, didn't it?

i believe so. i havent been back to UK for quite some time

**Marmite the Dog** · 19-07-2006, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Lily

No, we are quite proud of it and especially since a large number were Irish political prisoners.

Proud of being a pikey. How bizzarre.

**Lily** · 19-07-2006, 12:46 PM

^Come on, Marmite, you are sounding like Smeg now.

**Marmite the Dog** · 19-07-2006, 01:03 PM

I've never heard Smeg talk about Pikeys.

**Lily** · 19-07-2006, 01:11 PM

I meant the 'bizarre' bit.

And it is true. The Australians who had a convict ancestor are quite proud of it.

It was more than 200 years ago.

**slimboyfat** · 19-07-2006, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Lily

I meant the 'bizarre' bit.

And it is true. The Australians who had a convict ancestor are quite proud of it.

.

apart from the kiddy fiddlers descendants, presumably

**Lily** · 19-07-2006, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by slimboyfat

apart from the kiddy fiddlers descendants, presumably

I think you will find that that particular crime wasnt even a crime then, or went largely unpunished, so no, most of those stayed behind. (pardon the pun)

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