Did the USA 'have it coming'? Inevitable attacks on US soil.

**pai nai ma** · 07-09-2008, 06:19 PM

He is.

**pai nai ma** · 07-09-2008, 06:20 PM

Anything interesting from your dutch meal with the japanese woman?

**spiff** · 07-09-2008, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Texpat

Please share your first-hand knowledge of Muslim extremism and political reaction in the southern Philippines over the past decade. We're dying to hear, oh wise one.

Rest assured I'd be a hell of a lot better informed about the background than you have shown yourself to be with your flippant comment, if I happened to be personally involved for any length of time.

Want to start a topic on the Philippines? - be my guest, I suggest you pull your foot out of your mouth and have a look how many bombings there have been in Manila and who claimed responsibility for starters.

**pai nai ma** · 07-09-2008, 06:25 PM

Please stop embarrassing, Texpat. He takes these things very seriously. Tell him you've gone without showing a passport, tp.

**Texpat** · 07-09-2008, 06:32 PM

Come to think of it, no passports required for American servicemen in the Phils.

This twat has nothing. No personal experience. Can't come up with a single shred of evidence that what I said was incorrect. It isn't. Arroyo has spent much of her time in office trying to deal with the bandits (they're not even worthy of the term terrorists) in the south.

This twat's tone seems slightly familiar. Certainly not new. Just another punk, jerk-off who is trolling along greening his alter-ego and providing nothing but criticism and a healthy dose of insecurity.

**pai nai ma** · 07-09-2008, 06:34 PM

may, tp -- or maybe not. one can't assume in these difficult times.

**spiff** · 07-09-2008, 06:38 PM

Where did I say I have no personal experience? Are you too dumb to read or do you make stuff up as you go along, as you have done with your silly bombs-in-Manila claim?

Btw, did you ever venture outside the barracks, tough guy? LOL

**Texpat** · 07-09-2008, 06:41 PM

Never claimed to be a tough guy. Merely more knowledgeable than you -- because all you're doing is throwing insults.

Do you know stroller?

Since its inception in the early 1990s, the group has carried out bombings, kidnappings, assassinations, rapes and extortion in what they describe as their fight for an independent Islamic state in western Mindanao and the Sulu Archipelago with the stated goal of creating a pan-Islamic superstate across southeast Asia, spanning from east to west; the island of Mindanao, the Sulu Archipelago, the island of Borneo (Malaysia, Indonesia), the South China Sea, and the Malay Peninsula (Peninsular Malaysia, Thailand and Myanmar).[2] The Abu Sayyaf Group seeks a 13 province autonomous region, free from the predominately Catholic government of the Philippines. Superferry 14 was a large ferry destroyed by a bomb on February 27, 2004, killing 116 people in the Philippines' worst terrorist attack, and the world's deadliest terrorist attack at sea.

On that day, the 10,192 ton ferry was sailing out of Manila, with about 900 passengers and crew. A television set filled with 8 lb (4 kg) of TNT had been placed on board. 90 minutes out of port, the bomb exploded. 63 people were killed immediately, and 53 were missing and presumed dead.

2000

April 23 - ASG gunmen raid the Malaysian diving resort of Sipadan, off Borneo, and flee across the sea border to their Jolo island stronghold with 10 Western tourists and 11 resort workers.
May 27 - The kidnappers issue political demands including a separate Muslim state, an inquiry into alleged human rights abuses in Sabah and the restoration of fishing rights. They later demand cash multimillion-dollar ransoms.
July 1 - Filipino television evangelist Wilde Almeda of the Jesus Miracle Crusade (JMC) and 12 of his "prayer warriors" visit the ASG lair. A German journalist is seized the following day.
July 9 - A three-member French television crew was abducted.
August 27 - French, South African and German hostages are freed.
August 28 - American Muslim convert Jeffrey Schilling is abducted.
September 9 - Finnish, German and French hostages are freed.
September 10 - ASG raids Pandanan island near Sipadan and seizes three Malaysians.
September 16 - The government troops launch military assault against ASG in Jolo. Two kidnapped French journalists escape during the fighting.
October 2 - JMC Evangelist "Wilde Almeda" and 12 "prayer warriors" are released by volunteer.
October 25 - Troops rescue the three Malaysians seized in Pandanan.

[edit] 2001

April 12 - Jeffrey Schilling is rescued, leaving Filipino scuba diving instructor, Roland Ullah, in the gunmen's hands.
May 22 - Suspected Abu Sayyaf gunmen raid the luxurious Pearl Farm beach resort on Samal island in southern Philippines, killing two resort workers wounding three others, but no hostages were taken.
May 28 - Suspected Abu Sayyaf gunmen raid the Dos Palmas resort off the western Philippines island of Palawan and seize 20 hostages including a US couple and former Manila Times owner Reghis Romero. Arroyo rules out ransom and orders the military to go after the kidnappers.
May 29 - Malacañang imposes a news blackout in Basilan province where the Abu Sayyaf are reported to have gone.
May 30 - US State Department Spokesman Philip Reeker calls for the "swift, safe and unconditional release of all the hostages." An Olympus camera and an ATM card of one the hostages are found in Cagayan de Tawi-Tawi island. Pictures of Abu Sayyaf leaders are released to media by the Armed Forces of the Philippines.
May 31 - The military fails to locate the bandits and the hostages despite search and rescue operations in Jolo, Basilan and Cagayan de Tawi-Tawi.
June 1 - Military troops engage Abu Sayyaf bandits in Tuburan town in Basilan. ASG spokesman Abu Sabaya threatens to behead two of the hostages.
June 2 - Abu Sayyaf invaded Lamitan town and seize the Jose Maria Torres Memorial Hospital and the Saint Peter's church. Soldiers surround the bandits and engage them in a day-long firefight. Several hostages, including businessman Reghis Romero, were able to escape. Witnesses say the bandits escape from Lamitan at around 5:30 in the afternoon, taking four medical personnel from the hospital.
June 3 - Soldiers recover the bodies of hostages Sonny Dacquer and Armando Bayona in Barangay Bulanting. They were beheaded.
June 4 - Military officials ask for a state of emergency in Basilan. President Arroyo turns the request down.
June 5 - At least 16 soldiers are reported killed and 44 others wounded during a firefight between government troops and Abu Sayyaf bandits in Mount Sinangkapan in Tuburan town. President Arroyo promises P5 million to the family of retired Col. Fernando Bajet for killing ASG chieftain Abu Sulayman, alias Kumander Yusuf on June 2, 2000. ASG leaders contact a government designated intermediary for possible negotiations.
June 6 - ASG leader Abu Sabaya tells Radio Mindanao Network that US hostage Martin Burnham sustained a gunshot wound on the back during a recent exchange of gunfire.

2002

July 21 - A provincial governor and three others were wounded when fighters of the Abu Sayyaf ambushed them in the southern Philippines, the military said.
August - Six Filipino Jehovah's Witnesses were kidnapped and two of them were beheaded.[33]
October - One American serviceman was killed and another seriously injured by a bomb blast in Zamboanga City. [34]

2003

February 12 - The Philippines expelled an Iraqi diplomat, accusing the envoy of having ties to the Abu Sayyaf terrorist group. Second Secretary Husham Husain has been given 48 hours to leave the country, according to a statement by Philippine Foreign Secretary Blas Ople. The government said it had intelligence that the Iraqi diplomat has ties to the Islamic extremist group. The decision was taken more than a month before the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
March 5 - Abu Sayyaf claimed responsibility for the bombing of Davao International Airport in the southern Philippines, killing 21 and injuring 148.[35]

2004

February 24 - A bomb explodes on Superferry 14 off the coast of Manila, causing it to sink and killing 116 people. This attack is the worst terrorist attack at sea.
April 9 - A key leader of the Islamic terrorist group Abu Sayyaf was killed, along with five of his men, during a firefight with government troops on a southern Philippine island. Hamsiraji Sali and his men were killed when a platoon of the Philippine army's elite Scout Rangers, who had been on the terrorists' trail, attacked them around midday on the island of Basilan, an Abu Sayyaf stronghold about 885 kilometers, or 550 miles, south of the capital, Manila. Four government soldiers, including a commanding officer, were injured.
April 10 - Around 50 prisoners including many suspected members of the Abu Sayyaf escaped from jail in the southern Philippines, the officials said. Three of the escaped prisoners were later killed and three others have since been recaptured, while three jail guards were wounded in the incident on the island of Basilan. They still did not have a full headcount of those who escaped, but local army commander Colonel Raymundo Ferrer said 53 of the 137 prisoners in the jail on the outskirts of Isabela Cityhad had broken out.[36]

2005

November 17 - A prominent leader of the Islamist group Abu Sayyaf, Jatib Usman, has been killed in ongoing clashes between rebels and the military. Usman was confronted in the most southeastern province of Tawi-Tawi, an island region which is close to the Borneo coast of Malaysia.[37]

2006

February 3 - Suspected Abu Sayyaf gunmen knocked on door in a farm in Patikul, Mindanao, and opened fire after asking residents if they were Christian. Six people are confirmed dead, including a nine-month baby girl, and five others are seriously wounded.
March 20 - Declassified documents seized from Saddam Hussein’s government were said to have revealed that Al-Qaeda agents financed by Saddam entered the Philippines through the country’s southern backdoor.[38]
September 19 - A Filipino Marine officer was killed after the government forces encountered a large group of Abu Sayyaf terrorists earlier day in the outskirts of Patikul town in Sulu, southern Philippines, a military official reported. Five Marine soldiers also were wounded in the clash with some 80 terrorists believed to be led by Abu Sayyaf leader Radullan Sahiron, alias commander Putol, one of the top terrorist leader based in Sulu province, said the spokesman.

2007

January 17 - A top Abu Sayyaf leader , Jainal Antel Sali Jr., aka Abu Sulaiman — is killed "in a fierce gun battle with army special forces" on Jolo.[39]
July 11 - Eight Filipino government soldiers were killed, nine others injured and six missing following a fierce clash with Abu Sayyaf rebels backed by armed villagers in the southern island province of Basilan, according to a military source.
August - The military said it lost 26 soldiers and killed around 30 militants in three days of fighting on the volatile island of Jolo, in the beginning of month. The heaviest toll occurred after militants ambushed a military convoy. [40]

2008

January 17 - Abu Sayyaf militants raided a convent in the remote southern Philippine island province of Tawi-Tawi and killed a Catholic missionary during a kidnapping attempt.[41]
February 14 - Failed assassination plot of the President of the Philippines, Gloria Arroyo.
June 8 - ABS-CBN Journalist Ces Drilon and her TV Crew kidnapped. 10 days later they were released after families paid a portion of the ransom.

Care to add anything oh wise one?

**pai nai ma** · 07-09-2008, 06:45 PM

Gentlepeople, it is the evening of the christian sabbath. please dont spoil it with bloodshed.

**panama hat** · 07-09-2008, 06:52 PM

'Tis indeed . . . did we all eat fish yesterday?

Ok, the main point I have found made in this thread is that 9/11 was a political reaction . . . definitely valid.

**Texpat** · 07-09-2008, 06:54 PM

Killing innocent people is a valid political reaction?

You're a bigger idiot than I thought.

**Norton** · 07-09-2008, 06:55 PM

Time for the F1 race so must run off. Just thought I'd throw this in for consideration.

If Manila Bay constitutes Manila guess the Philippines just got the extradited that did the deed back in 2004.

"It was the second-worst terrorist attack in Southeast Asia after 2002 bombings in Bali, Indonesia, that killed 202 people, many of them foreign tourists."

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/fron.../31/2003421919

**Texpat** · 07-09-2008, 07:02 PM

And that's just those attacks AS and JI have claimed. They're a tight-assed buncha cunts that usually don't like spending money if there's none to be made. Kidnapping, robbery and bribery are much more to their liking. Whiteys fetch a higher ransom. But there are a dozen or so MORE bombings in Manila nobody has claimed.

Manila had it coming.

Shall we talk about how Songkla or Naratiwat or Yala had it coming?

How about the poor Pakis and Iraqis? They get bombed to smithereens daily.

For sure they had it coming.

The stupid apologist cunts on this board who claim their country is allied with mine can fuck off. They're tools. They've run off and sold out and they deserve what they get.

**AntRobertson** · 07-09-2008, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Texpat

Killing innocent people is a valid political reaction?

I do believe that you've justified the killing of innocents as 'collateral damage' or some such several times on this very forum, Texpat.

You're a bigger idiot than I thought.

And you a bigger strawman attacking, fallacious logic using, ad hominem reliant, hypocrite it would seem.

**spiff** · 07-09-2008, 07:04 PM

So that's one bomb in Manila Bay. Not exactly like "They've also been targeted with more bombs in Manila directed at innocent civilians than you can wave a cell phone detonator at.", is it?

Thanks, Texpat, for making the effort to correct your statement by quoting Wiki - see, it is not so difficult to get info!

**Texpat** · 07-09-2008, 07:10 PM

Yeah, 116 ain't a bad days work. Nicely done. And it only cost 2 pesos for the call.

And don't forget the Bojinka fucksticks who lost the plot in MANILA. Yeah,, there's that ...

**panama hat** · 07-09-2008, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Texpat

Killing innocent people is a valid political reaction?

You're a bigger idiot than I thought.

Did I do the flying/bombing/hijacking?

Of course it is a political statement . . . whether it is valid or not was not the question. Open your mind a bit and see what others see, Texpat, simply only exposing yourself to what you feel comfortable with really isn't sufficient.

(Ok, so how big an idiot did you think I was if I am now a bigger one?

Hit me with it, Texas A&M boy!

)

**pai nai ma** · 07-09-2008, 07:20 PM

texpat is clearly vexed.

he is no doubt trying to squeeze into his uniform now so that he can infuse his posts with a sweaty patriotic fervor.

(well, perhaps the hat will still fit)

**spiff** · 07-09-2008, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Texpat

But there are a dozen or so MORE bombings in Manila nobody has claimed.

And presumably you know this from your direct, personal experience of Muslim extremism in Mindanao during the last 10 years? LOL

**pai nai ma** · 07-09-2008, 07:25 PM

and simply pin your medals on the coffee stained wife beater t-shirt you have on.

time is of the essence here.

**Texpat** · 07-09-2008, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by panama hat

Ok, the main point I have found made in this thread is that 9/11 was a political reaction . . . definitely valid.

So you're saying flying airliners into a commercial building was politically valid. Yet you decry the actions of Guantanamo as morally void? You're a strange bird.

No Aggie blood in me -- by a long shot. Tuck Fexas, try 250 miles due north.

**spiff** · 07-09-2008, 07:43 PM

"definitely valid" affirms that a valid point has been made.

Do you do much reading, redneck?

**Ivor Biggun** · 07-09-2008, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by keda

Were the top brass caught unawares at Pearl Harbour? I don't think so.

You maybe right there Keda. As it's believed the US knew about the attack in advance as all above ground fuel storage tanks were emptied just before the attack. Plus in an unheard of before training exercise all the US carriers were out at sea. What was actually lost at PH was easily replaced the carriers wouldn't have been.

**raycarey** · 07-09-2008, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Texpat

all you're doing is throwing insults.

a mere 13 minutes later to another poster....

Originally Posted by Texpat

You're a bigger idiot than I thought.

**panama hat** · 07-09-2008, 07:47 PM

There's the difference . . . the act was politically motivated, carried out by a people who had been fairly well impotent until then.

It is the underdog syndrome, I'm sure you've heard of it. The biggest military power holding and torturing prisoners, who are completely defenseless . . . well, that's a different thread. That is not political, if anything it is anti-political, in that the morons in charge of the White House can't think outside of Pennsylvania Ave.

Please don't obfuscate the issue again, simply read the words for what they say . . . not what you want them to say to suit you

You're an Okie??? Serious?

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