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    What is a drop-out?

    CMN asked me why I refer to Thaiophiles as this yesterday. Here is an illustration of why.

    In Janurary 2004 I was given ten year 11 students to weekly career-mentor (secondary school in the UK). One of these students, a pleasant 16 year old lad who showed promise as an engineer, didn't show for his second meeting. Later that week I saw him collecting rubbish as I drove to school. His mates confirmed that he was working as a rubbish collector, and had left school early.

    The next week I spotted him again and stopped for a quick chat. I asked him why he dropped out of school. He told me not to call him a drop-out because it was insulting, and that he had left school because he didn't like hanging around with the other "kids", had new mates (pointing to three middle aged geezers collecting rubbish nearby), loved being outside rather than in a classroom, and was free by midday every day. I asked him to come back to school to finish his GCSE's, but he said "Why? I have a job now, isn't that what school is for? I have enough money and I'm happy"

    I contacted his employer, a private contractor, who assured me that a condition of his employment was that he had to attend his GCSEs, even if he didn't attend school before them.

    I dunno what he is doing now, and I admit that I didn't think about it since that time, until now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeg
    CMN asked me why I refer to Thaiophiles as this yesterday. Here is an illustration of why.
    Wasn't me, I believe you are confusing me with changmai.

    Also I'm not entirely sure where you are going witht hat little anecdote.

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    ^^What has a 16 year old English schoolboy dropout have to do with Thaiophiles?

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    ^^ I can guess, CMN.














    He's going to be banging on about the curtains and the wallpaper again any minute now,,, Mark my words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon
    Also I'm not entirely sure where you are going witht hat little anecdote.
    Because as his teacher I classed him as a dropout, whereas he didn't agree with that (was offended by it), and looked down on the other students at school as being "kids" (whereas he was obviously an adult!), and thought that being happy working as a dustman was great.

    I was just illustrating how different opinions can be formed on this topic, depending on one's viewpoint and position in the equasion.

    Hence if I refer to a Thaiophile as a dropout, they are also unlikely to agree.

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    So was this kid a drop-out, or smart?

    I think he was a dropout, because he walked away from his "normal" structured surroundings, complaining about the people there and that lifestyle, and found a new life hanging out with vastly different (middle aged) people, whilst earning a wage which gave him his "comfortable lifestyle" whilst being in the great outdoors. A great improvement in his view, but not in mine.

    The above could be compared to the average Westerner living in Thailand.

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    So was this kid a drop-out, or smart?

    I think he was a dropout, because he walked away from his "normal" structured surroundings, complaining about the people there and that lifestyle, and found a new life hanging out with vastly different (middle aged) people, whilst earning a wage which gave him his "comfortable lifestyle" whilst being in the great outdoors. A great improvement in his view, but not in mine.
    The above could be compared to the average Westerner living in Thailand.


    You are a funny bastard sometimes Smeg.

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    how did you feel as his mentor ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick
    how did you feel as his mentor ?
    obviously smeg done a great job on influencing this childs life and career expectations

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeg

    The above could be compared to the average Westerner living in Thailand.
    Why? What does a westerner in Thailand have to do to change your view?

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    Sorry I dont really get this post. In the begining who is supposed to be the thaiophile, is it the chid, the middle aged bin men or the mentor bloke ? Is he trying to say everyone should get GCSE's before comning to Thailand cos if he is I think I agree
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    Just a cause a dude doens't do what you think is right, because he prefers the job collecting rubbish to attending to school for years only to become a draftsman in some shop with maybe a shot a "head-engineer" in a few years, for maybe a few extra bucks (or not?) don't make 'im a "dropout." This narrow minded approach, from so many of limited imaginagiton, epitomizes the crap one has to put up with when choosing a path less obvious.

    Perhaps the kid enjoyed fiddling with engines in his spare time, or fooling abut n boats., perhaps his priorities were within himself and he didn't see the future in an office or corporate mentality.

    If the boy truly had potential as an engineer then nothng would keep hm from some sort of hobby or eventual trade where the rewards are greater, the "job politics" less and the free time to do as he liked easier to come by.

    This is not a dropout. He chose to work in a job that took less from him allowing him to do as he liked.

    Some of the greatest inventions have been designed by so-called "dropouts" or students. Work-a-day engineers rarely bring originality to the job. nothing wrong wth that just not for everyone. Good for the boy. Hope he enjoys tinkerin' will old morris engines or motorcycles, maybe working in wood, in his off time. Never know where that might lead; less stress, longer life, who knows?? Kinda like shedding the corporate West 'n livin' in Thailand.
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    Sorry I dont really get this post. In the begining who is supposed to be the thaiophile, is it the chid, the middle aged bin men or the mentor bloke ? Is he trying to say everyone should get GCSE's before comning to Thailand cos if he is I think I agree
    It's ok, Smeg is simply comparing a bin man with the average foreigner living in Thailand.


    Nice post Frankie, i'm glad you can be bothered to take the time, though you are mostly preaching to the converted.

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    smeg fondled the boy that is why he dropped out of school.

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    Really, does he post on TV as well as here.

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    Smeg has little retreat up in the hill tribe reigon of Thailand, that is why he works part time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon
    i'm glad you can be bothered to take the time,
    hmmmm

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    I think the op is a good example of the class divide in first world society's.
    Engineer vs binman,
    There are many people working as binmen who have potential to do more but are happy and content with what they have chosen.
    people who have chosen higher education and academic careers have a tendency to look down there noses at the people who they believe to be of a lower class to them.
    Everybody plays their role in society and deserve respect for doing so.
    Bins don't empty themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash
    Bins don't empty themselves.
    Unless it's one of those new 'self-emptying' bins I saw on Tomorrow's World in 1975.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benbaaa
    Quote Originally Posted by flash
    Bins don't empty themselves.
    Unless it's one of those new 'self-emptying' bins I saw on Tomorrow's World in 1975.
    thats a bit before my time

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    If the kid is happy then leave him to it, whether he will be happy in the future is up to him - if you advised him to finish his GCSE's and he didn't listen, again, it's up to him.

    He's happy doing what he's doing, but he is probably making a mistake not finishing his education, but what can you do about that?

    Pretty much the same story with the TEFLers as well.

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    I did leave him to it. I wanted to check that he would at least be given time off to sit his exams, and that assurance was given by his employer.

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    well Smeg, I suppose that calling Thaiophiles "drop-outs" could be construed as a compliment

    they have dropped out of the conventional route in their own country and have been courageous enough to make a living in another "strange" country, which they love

    Seems like their life is better than it would have been, they have made a choice that is to their liking. I think that is very good.
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    NORMAL...what is NORMAL...its only someone elses opinion.

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