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    Trannie Crappers for confused Kids

    man's man Slackbang won't be interested in this pouffey topic.....



    Thai school offers transsexual toilet


    By Jonathan Head
    BBC News, north-east Thailand
    With its spacious, tree-lined grounds and slightly threadbare classrooms, there is nothing obviously unusual about the Kampang Secondary School.
    It is situated in Thailand's impoverished north-east, and most of the pupils are the children of farmers.
    Every morning at 0800 they all gather outside to sing the national anthem and watch the flag being raised.
    Then they have a chance to use the toilets, before heading off the first classes of the day.
    Kampang is proud of its toilets. Spotless, and surrounded by flowering tropical plants, they have won national awards for cleanliness.
    But there is something else about them too. Between the girls' toilet and the boys', there is one signposted with a half-man, half-woman figure in blue and red.
    This is the transsexual toilet, and outside, in front of the mirrors, some decidedly girly-looking teenage boys preen their hair and apply face cream.


    'Uncomfortable'
    The headteacher, Sitisak Sumontha, estimates that in any year between 10% and 20% of his boys consider themselves to be transgender - boys who would rather be girls.


    "They used to be teased every time they used the boys' toilets," he said, "so they started using the girls' toilets instead. But that made the girls feel uncomfortable. It made these boys unhappy, and started to affect their work."
    So the school offered to build the transgender boys their own facility, and they welcomed it.
    Triwate Phamanee is a slightly built 13-year-old who is adamant that he will one day change his gender.
    "We're not boys," he told me, "so we don't want to use the boys' toilet - we want them to know we are transsexuals."
    Vichai Saengsakul, 15, agrees.
    "People need to know that being a transsexual is not a joke," he says, "it's the way we want to live our lives. That's why we're grateful for what the school has done."

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    Normal treatment
    The transgender boys in Kampang tend to stick together as a group, practising their somewhat exaggerated feminine mannerisms together and generally camping it up.
    They still have to wear male uniforms, make-up is not allowed (although some manage to sneak in a touch of lipstick and mascara), and of course sex-change surgery is out of the question at this age - the youngest self-declared transsexual is 12.
    But they appear to be treated perfectly normally by other pupils and teachers alike.
    I asked the headmaster whether they were not too young to be making decisions about their gender.


    He said that, in his 35 years of working in the Thai education system, he had come across many boys like this, and they never changed. Many go on as adults to have sex-change surgery, while others will live as gay men, he said. Thailand is well known for its tolerance of transgender men, and they are very visible in everyday life. Sex-change surgery has become a speciality of the Thai health industry, and it is relatively inexpensive; patients come here from all over the world for the operation.


    'Sweet and soft'
    The Kampang school's initiative, far from stirring up controversy, has instead prompted a discussion in other schools over whether they should be providing the same facilities.
    A ratio of 10% to 20% of boys calling themselves transsexual in a provincial high school does seem very high, but Mr Sitisak assured me that in his experience it was not unusual.




    When [the pupils grow up] they won't want to go into a transgender toilet because they will want to be accepted as a woman - so they will go to the women's toilet

    Suttirat Simsiriwong
    Transgender campaigner




    Which brought up a question that has been rattling around my head ever since I first lived in Thailand seven years ago: Why do so many Thai men want to become women?
    I asked Suttirat Simsiriwong, who became a campaigner for transgender rights after she was barred entry to a nightclub at an international hotel in Bangkok last year.
    Poised, articulate and very feminine, it is hard to tell that she was not born a woman.
    "Maybe the numbers of gays, of people with sexual identity issues, might be the same as in other countries," said Suttirat, "but because Thai society and culture tend to be very sweet, very soft, and the men can be really feminine, if we tend to be gay, many of us tend to be transgender."
    So does building a special toilet in school advance the cause of winning wider acceptance for transsexuals?
    "At that age it's good for them to have a specific place," she said.
    "But when they graduate from school or university, they will know how to have medical treatment. They won't want to go into a transgender toilet because they will want to be accepted as a woman - so they will go to the women's toilet."


    Discrimination remains
    Tolerance, said Suttirat, is not the same thing as acceptance.
    Despite their high profile in Thailand, transsexuals complain that they are still stereotyped - they can find work easily enough as entertainers, in the beauty industry, the media, or as prostitutes, but it is much harder to become a transgender lawyer or investment banker.
    And their biggest complaint is that they cannot change their legal status.
    Despite a proposal during the drafting of a new constitution last year, to allow them to change the gender on their identity cards, this has not yet been approved.

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    Bloody weird - what about girls that want to become boys ?
    Is the Thai male oriented society ignoring them ?

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    10-20% -- interesting.

    It can only be a good thing in the long term.
    If all the little boys are fucking each other, they aren't fucking the little girls.
    Eventually, the girls will either venture out into the larger gene pool for a mate or become old, childless spinsters.

    I see this as a very positive trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happyman
    Bloody weird - what about girls that want to become boys ?
    They're not exactly low key either. Recently mrs had this Tomboy who took a fancy to her- we originally met her at a party, but she works at a nearby restaurant- and she just won't let up, so mrs doesn't want to go there anymore. No big deal- their last meal was mediocre anyway.
    probes Aliens

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    I think its good that they have installed the toilet.

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    Certainly a very gay tolerant country. At least the "Tom" girls are not usually as butch as they are in the west.

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    It makes sense really, so the normal kids are not made uncomfortable.

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    The school likely doesn't have any sports programs or art supplies or music classes.

    But it finds the resources to install a third bathroom for these twisted little freaks. Celebrating their marvelous individuality and rejoicing in their fabulous sexual expressivity!

    Their country, their values. Who am I to judge? Not surprising given the dearth of male role models.
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    This thread's shaping up about as predictably as can be expected.

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    I'll take a shot in the dark here and guess Ant thinks it's a fantastic idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    I'll take a shot in the dark here and guess Ant thinks it's a fantastic idea.
    Errrm, it's a toilet. I'm not exactly doing cartwheels over it.

    Pretty predictable however is how apparently upsetting some others seem to find it; this extra toilet at a school that, in real terms, has exactly zero impact on the lives of any of us.

    Funny innit, that some people could be so intolerant and so insistant on projecting their own mores and values that they can't even live with the idea of a toilet.

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    I had a bi-sexual thai g/f once. She left her g/f to hop into my bed for a while. I always wanted her to get the other one for a three-some but it never happened. They were both pretty hot too.

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    It's flat out deviant in my opinion. And those that encourage it are doing these children a disservice.

    (Is that watered-down enough for you, mod?)
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    These kids need psychological counselling. Its ludicrous that one out of every five boys at this school wants his knob chopped off. This is a collective insanity.



    The transgender boys in Kampang tend to stick together as a group, practising their somewhat exaggerated feminine mannerisms together and generally camping it up.


    'Camping School' more than 'Kampang School'. It all sounds like Scampynite with Blake 7 and Mancock Badness.

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    Countries with high pollution problems have higher "transgender" issues in their population,

    Brazil is another one,

    The USA is also one, women over there are so "masculine", that you have to be gay to fuck one

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    Tell us more about America Sputter ...

    Are they anything like the Jersey Girls?

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    ^ the Jersey girls are the worst, fat like their UK cousins, they are vulgar, show off, loud but amazing dirty fuck

    I have dated a few when I lived in NY, they are regarded as the whores of America

    have you ever been to NY, tex ? I mean other than going through the airport,
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    I was referring to your Jersey, not ours.

    Tell me more about NY/NJ Sputter, oh please!

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    When I first was married I went to the wife school a bit and there was this one fruity looking kid and I thought he was a fag, sure,, and the next year he went to BKK and Pattaya and last time I saw him was at the school 3 years ago and he had a farang BF and an apt paid for in Pattaya and driving a beamer and had had is tools cut off,, now the wife told me he dying of AIDS ,,aint that just to fucKin bad

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    [quote=Redneck;707601]These kids need psychological counselling. Its ludicrous that one out of every five boys at this school wants his knob chopped off. This is a collective insanity.
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    It does seem a bit odd.

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    ^^I agree with Slackbang. Probably better for health and AIDS prevention to have a pouch (artificial vadger) rather than take it UP THE ARSE.

    Because the semen would just come out of the pouch with all the other fluff, cheese and paperclips, rather than (up the BUMHOLE) cross over into the bloodstream via the colon's membranes.

    Ive never experienced ANAL SEX - but I hear its quite unsatisfying, its apparently like a vice is clamped on the base of your dickie dido and the top dome feels practically nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    I'll take a shot in the dark here and guess Ant thinks it's a fantastic idea.
    Errrm, it's a toilet. I'm not exactly doing cartwheels over it.

    Pretty predictable however is how apparently upsetting some others seem to find it; this extra toilet at a school that, in real terms, has exactly zero impact on the lives of any of us.

    Funny innit, that some people could be so intolerant and so insistant on projecting their own mores and values that they can't even live with the idea of a toilet.
    The providing of tools that encourage such behavior is not particularly providing a meaningful service to the mainstream public.
    "Don't Sweat the Small Stuff....and it is all small stuff"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEA Traveler View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    I'll take a shot in the dark here and guess Ant thinks it's a fantastic idea.
    Errrm, it's a toilet. I'm not exactly doing cartwheels over it.

    Pretty predictable however is how apparently upsetting some others seem to find it; this extra toilet at a school that, in real terms, has exactly zero impact on the lives of any of us.

    Funny innit, that some people could be so intolerant and so insistant on projecting their own mores and values that they can't even live with the idea of a toilet.
    The providing of tools that encourage such behavior is not particularly providing a meaningful service to the mainstream public.
    So what should they do then? Pretend that they don't exist? Would that keep "mainstream public" happy?

    Why people insist on projecting their values onto others as the only acceptable ones I'll never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Happyman
    Bloody weird - what about girls that want to become boys ?
    They're not exactly low key either. Recently mrs had this Tomboy who took a fancy to her- we originally met her at a party, but she works at a nearby restaurant- and she just won't let up, so mrs doesn't want to go there anymore. No big deal- their last meal was mediocre anyway.

    you could make it happen, get lucky!!

    I had a bi g/f once; she knew a girl who had a big crush on her and said she would get her to come and stay

    unfortunately the other girl was not a bit bi
    I have reported your post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    I'll take a shot in the dark here and guess Ant thinks it's a fantastic idea.
    i think it is a fantastic idea, too!
    at first i thought they were taking the thing too far, but after i thought about it for a bit:
    wouldn't want these confused creeps using the same crapper as my kids.......

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