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    Living in Bangkok 75% the cost of New York

    Unless you want to live more like a Thai than a New Yorker

    http://www.bangkokpost.com/250708_Business/25Jul2008_biz40.php
    Poll: Bangkok still cheap place for expatriates to live

    Bangkok has dropped 10 spots to 105th place in a 2008 worldwide cost of living survey, according to consultancy Mercer. Moscow is the world's most expensive city for expatriates for the third consecutive year.

    Mercer's survey covers 143 cities across six continents and measures the comparative cost of over 200 items in each location, including housing, transport, food, clothing, household goods and entertainment.

    The survey, conducted in March this year, is based on a similar survey done in March 2007.

    New York is the base city at 100 points, Moscow scores 142.4 and is close to three times costlier than the cheapest city, Asuncio{aac}n in Paraguay, which has an index of 52.5.

    Contrary to the trend seen in 2007, the gap between the world's most and least expensive cities now seems to be widening.

    Bangkok, at 105th position, saw little change in its cost of living index (against New York City), rising from 74.9 in 2007 to 75.1 this year.

    ''Though more expensive than neighbouring Kuala Lumpur and Manila, Bangkok still maintains its competitive edge over Asean cities like Singapore, Ho Chi Minh City and Jakarta as a less expensive place to live and work,'' according to Nichanant Dulsari, business leader of information product solutions at Mercer (Thailand).

    Yvonne Traber, a principal and research manager at Mercer, said that current market conditions have led to the further weakening of the US dollar which, coupled with the strengthening of the euro and many other currencies, had caused significant changes in this year's rankings.

    In some cases, cost-of-living increases may be correlated to countries with high rates of economic growth. Firms may assign high priority to expansion in these economies, but may have to deal with inflationary pressures due to competition for expatriate-level housing and other services, according to Ms Traber.A full list can be found at
    www.mercer.com/costoflivin

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    those figures may be correct, but only for expats living at company expense

    those are the guys who get their apartments paid for, their meals paid for and also get a living allowance etc etc, so renting a big, posh pad is normal

    for other expats, living their comfortable life, I would expect the cost of living to be much lower
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    those figures may be correct, but only for expats living at company expense
    Is that based on any evidence, or merely one of your usual guesses dressed up as a fact?

    This is a survey of prices, not people. As far as I know the survey is based on the cost of 200 like for like products and services that would be typically bought by an average expat in all of the surveyed cities, including renting an international quality family apartment within easy reach of the CBD, running a vehicle, taking a couple of foreign holidays per year etc.

    It has nothing to do with individual people and how they are paid and expensed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    those figures may be correct, but only for expats living at company expense

    those are the guys who get their apartments paid for, their meals paid for and also get a living allowance etc etc, so renting a big, posh pad is normal

    for other expats, living their comfortable life, I would expect the cost of living to be much lower
    Absolutely right there !

    I was living in Taipei on an "all singing all dancing" expat package from a UK company and then changed employer to a local company and no expat package.

    My STANDARD of living remained about the same but the COST of living was reduced dramatically !

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    ^ Yes but were you living in that Porta Rican condo that was put up by Dr. Andy??

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    ^ Yes but were you living in that Porta Rican condo that was put up by Dr. Andy??




    No!
    I moved from an apartment in an 'expat' area surrounded by 'expat' type shops and supermarkets - to a totally Chinese area ( well it was until I moved in !) a much nicer apartment - plenty of Chinese shops and supermarkets selling virtually the same products at lower prices. Rent dropped by about 40% as well !

    And the neighbours were much nicer as well !
    In the expat area the other wives were a bit 'snotty' towards my lady ( Taiwanese) -unless they wanted something translated of course !

    In the Chinese area I had trouble walking down the road without being invited in for a cup of tea or something stronger !!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    those figures may be correct, but only for expats living at company expense
    Is that based on any evidence, or merely one of your usual guesses dressed up as a fact?

    Here are facts for you Smeggers.

    You can't rent a studio apartment in New York or Chicago for $250 US. I know plenty of expats that have studios they rent for 7000 to 8000 baht in On Nut and more closer to the center of town.

    A one bedroom in the Loop in Chicago is $3000 a month and that is like living in the Silom area. I know some guys that have nice condos there for 20,000 baht.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeg View Post
    CBD

    Middle class c**t.

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    Where I stayed in Chicago out in the sticks I would put it's costs as on par with Pattaya, I don't goto Bangkok because it is too damn expensive, proper food and clothes were cheaper there in Chicago, housing? hmmm pretty sure the hotel was cheaper than anything I could get in Pattaya at 3,000 odd baht a night, transport, ok Pattaya has it beat with the 30 cent baht buses, but the trains were cheap and comfortable, can't say that for Thai trains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeg
    ''Though more expensive than neighbouring Kuala Lumpur and Manila, Bangkok still maintains its competitive edge over Asean cities like Singapore, Ho Chi Minh City and Jakarta as a less expensive place to live and work,'' according to Nichanant Dulsari, business leader of information product solutions at Mercer (Thailand).
    interesting comment.

    not sure how they calculate that ....

    and rents in singapore have dramatically risen over the past 12 months, is bangkok really more expensive than singapore? I'm not sure it is.

    *just reread that, my misinterpretation...*

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    Quote Originally Posted by chitown View Post

    You can't rent a studio apartment in New York or Chicago for $250 US. I know plenty of expats that have studios they rent for 7000 to 8000 baht in On Nut and more closer to the center of town.

    A one bedroom in the Loop in Chicago is $3000 a month and that is like living in the Silom area. I know some guys that have nice condos there for 20,000 baht.
    It's not really comparable. Apples vs chompoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Where I stayed in Chicago out in the sticks I would put it's costs as on par with Pattaya, I don't goto Bangkok because it is too damn expensive, proper food and clothes were cheaper there in Chicago, housing? hmmm pretty sure the hotel was cheaper than anything I could get in Pattaya at 3,000 odd baht a night, transport, ok Pattaya has it beat with the 30 cent baht buses, but the trains were cheap and comfortable, can't say that for Thai trains.
    I rent my studios out for a grand a month and they are crap, well not crap, but not brand new and not downtown either.

    Thats with gas and electric included.

    Thailand is much cheaper than Chicago............and a tad warmer!

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    I suppose if you're sending a couple of kids to International School, Bkk might be 75% as expensive as NYC. Otherwise, no way.

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    I have a friend with a nice 4 bed condo in Soi 19, driver , leased Toyata wish, two maids and all up cost is less than 100k PCM, you can get this in NY for 30% more, sort of doubht is some how.
    Mercers are in my experince a watse of time, slary surveys are way off and their expat living allowances, words fail me, we used to use them but they are so far away from reals world stuff, got rid of them.

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    oh dear, you can tell I am a little pissed can you not?

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    Yessh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    for other expats, living their comfortable life, I would expect the cost of living to be much lower
    Certainly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeg View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    those figures may be correct, but only for expats living at company expense
    Is that based on any evidence, or merely one of your usual guesses dressed up as a fact?

    This is a survey of prices, not people. As far as I know the survey is based on the cost of 200 like for like products and services that would be typically bought by an average expat in all of the surveyed cities, including renting an international quality family apartment within easy reach of the CBD, running a vehicle, taking a couple of foreign holidays per year etc.

    It has nothing to do with individual people and how they are paid and expensed.
    Based on my own experience, dear Smeg

    as you say, like for like. Cornflakes are even more expensive (at a guess) in Bkk than NY. Those type of surveys are hardly representative of real life, just expat expense life. I like them though, as using them can make my per diem very exaggerated.

    As for being nothing to do with individual people, well, the point of the survey is what?

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    Real question is:

    Can you have a good meal, get pissed and have a blowjob in New York for around 50$?

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    Can't in Pattaya, the good meal blows out that budget gerbil.

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    ^ Well, I'm not fussy about my food. A decent burger and chips will do.

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    ^Fok another American, yeah KFC is great

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    ^ I aint no septic.

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    ^So explain to me the details of a decent burger, is it something you need to hack at with an axe to bite it into mouth sized pieces like Thai beef, or maybe something else wannabe cess pit

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    I'm not really bothered about the details of how it stops walking around a field mooing and ends up on my plate. I assume they just pull it's legs off and shove it in a mincer?

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