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    What is the value of money to you?

    A person who has experienced what it is like to have not a penny to their name may later in life be careful, almost to the point of meanness when later they do have money, especially if they don't know how long it will last or how they can find a way to make it last.

    Despite my occasional frustrations about Thai people, talking into account the fact they have in the past been poor (and I mean proper poverty, not sleeping rough for a few days and avoiding the humiliation of asking for help from family or friends) - I can relate to it, maybe not so much their greed - but their general avoidance of frivolity when it comes to cash, the way they only spend cash if they really need to.

    I have been called tight a few times, albeit in a jovial manner, one example was because I didn't wish to partake in betting when out at a horse racing track with a group of friends. I also wanted to take my own beer from a shop as it was allowed, instead of paying three times the price for a lager at the track.

    The friends I was with were not especially wealthy and they had modest incomes, and though I too had an income, it wasn't enough to justify the type of fiscal indifference that Neil the landscape gardener or Jenny the shop manager could afford and yet I sure didn't want to be a bar manager all my life and didn't know how long my own income would last.

    So what is the value of money to you?

    What has been your lowest fiscal point in the past and do you think that has had an effect upon your attitude to money since?
    "I'm an outsider by choice, but not truly. It's the unpleasantness of the system that keeps me out. I'd rather be in, in a good system. That's where my discontent comes from: being forced to choose to stay outside.
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    Money = Freedom and freedom of choice.

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    but you have never been poor scampy. you have always had your family to dole out cash when required.
    Also you have 60k GBP in a high yield account. The fact that you then expect me to fork out for everything when I also have two kids and a high maintainance wife to support is more than being tight.
    For the record: on Monday night Blake 7 paid for multiple drinks plus Scampy's bangers and mash dinner at the Irish Pub, then he paid for the romantic cinema date, then he paid for the pool and accompanying drinks. Scampy then bought Blake 7 1 beer in Rainbow 1 and then Blake7 bought the other beer in Rainbow 4. No wonder Scampy considers it was quite a good night....

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    Oh dear.......

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    Good thread, GS.

    What is the value of money to me?

    I don't think about money specifically.

    But money can allow me two things that I consider important:

    1. travel

    2. Not have to worry. (Have security.)


    I've never been very money oriented. As coming to South East Asia, I've even become less money-driven.

    I've never wanted to be rich. But I've always wanted have some security if and when I get old.

    I only think about money is I have very, very little of it.

    I don't like buying "stuff." I am not into "things."

    Back in the US, I invested my money and sat on it. Still have most of if there.
    ............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blake7 View Post
    but you have never been poor scampy. you have always had your family to dole out cash when required.
    Also you have 60k GBP in a high yield account. The fact that you then expect me to fork out for everything when I also have two kids and a high maintainance wife to support is more than being tight.
    For the record: on Monday night Blake 7 paid for multiple drinks plus Scampy's bangers and mash dinner at the Irish Pub, then he paid for the romantic cinema date, then he paid for the pool and accompanying drinks. Scampy then bought Blake 7 1 beer in Rainbow 1 and then Blake7 bought the other beer in Rainbow 4. No wonder Scampy considers it was quite a good night....
    As Surr Burr rightly said.

    Money = Freedom and freedom of choice.
    I choose affordable places of leisure, you choose the more pricey ones.

    I chose to accept your invite out and you chose where we went.

    I think I chose the movie, but I resented even you paying the prices they were charging in Rainbow 4 - I was uncomfortable with the situation in the pool bar and made my drink last the whole visit.

    You chose the life you now have and the place where you live, you chose to decline my frequent invitations to my local bars and hangouts and you chose to make this thread personal - I was not alluding to the other night out with this thread but it does bother me.

    If I was out with somebody in my league in terms of income, it would be an equal night at modest venues.

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    ...And it's my choice to make my inheritance last as long as possible and not piss it up the wall in a matter of months.

    It's nobody elses business and it was stupid of me to have ever mentioned it because wealth should be judged on income, not a pile of emergency cash holed up in the UK that I will never get again once it is gone - my remaining parents have said as much if I do squander what I have, and rightly so.
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    but you have never been poor scampy. you have always had your family to dole out cash when required.
    Also you have 60k GBP in a high yield account. The fact that you then expect me to fork out for everything when I also have two kids and a high maintainance wife to support is more than being tight.
    For the record: on Monday night Blake 7 paid for multiple drinks plus Scampy's bangers and mash dinner at the Irish Pub, then he paid for the romantic cinema date, then he paid for the pool and accompanying drinks. Scampy then bought Blake 7 1 beer in Rainbow 1 and then Blake7 bought the other beer in Rainbow 4. No wonder Scampy considers it was quite a good night....
    I don't know why you two go out together. A few hours out and the reprocussions, recriminations and rancour go on for weeks after!

    Fok me, there will be less post-match analysis on UBC after the Euro Cup Final than on your few games of pool and a gay dinner/cinema date!

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    my remaining parents
    Remaining parents? WTF? How the fuk many did you have to start with? What is this some sort of foking gangbang that resulted in you, where no-one was quite sure, so they just had to print a bigger birth certificate?

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    Milkmans reply was great, this thread wasn't about me and Blake7 and if I can't start any thread without being either bashed or somebody making things personal then perhaps I should take a break and reinvent myself.

    I looked forward to meeting the guy for lunch, he's a good laugh and currently alone in Bangkok - I figured if I had just agreed on the video price (which was very generous on the basis it would probably only be viewed once) - and then pissed off home knowing he wanted to catch a god film, I would have saved money but wouldn't have been much of a friend.

    I have often turned down Blake7 because I although know the night will be in good company, but that I will have to choose from either wasting money in places like Rainbow 4 or accepting charity. Personally the novelty of watching naked women wore off a long tome ago, but if you can't get your friends over to where you live even after four years, then you have to make these choices.

    Another topic tarnished with resent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkandrew
    I don't know why you two go out together. A few hours out and the reprocussions, recriminations and rancour go on for weeks after! Fok me, there will be less post-match analysis on UBC after the Euro Cup Final than on your few games of pool and a gay dinner/cinema date! __________________
    Appears to be a reoccurring theme.

    What I don't understand if Scampy is unhappy with the expensive prices why doesn't he say so and ask to go somewhere more affordable?

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    It's nobody elses business and it was stupid of me to have ever mentioned it because wealth should be judged on income
    Wealth is judged on what money you have Scamp, which in your case is enough to continue holidaying for another couple of years yet. If it's based on income then you are as wealthy as a Vietnamese farm hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkandrew View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp View Post
    my remaining parents
    Remaining parents? WTF? How the fuk many did you have to start with? What is this some sort of foking gangbang that resulted in you, where no-one was quite sure, so they just had to print a bigger birth certificate?
    I had two sets, which is maybe why that cnut Cujo said that a mother figure was the attraction with the seasoned object of my current affections.

    I've not mentioned my little nest egg to her - not because I don't trust her, I've never trusted anybody more in such a small period of time.

    But I am learning to keep my mouth shut about certain things because it only brings hassle - something I had been warned and ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkandrew View Post
    I don't know why you two go out together. A few hours out and the reprocussions, recriminations and rancour go on for weeks after!

    Fok me, there will be less post-match analysis on UBC after the Euro Cup Final than on your few games of pool and a gay dinner/cinema date!
    Dunno why anybody would call someone that carries a mental set of scales in his head, a friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blake7
    For the record: on Monday night Blake 7 paid for multiple drinks plus Scampy's bangers and mash dinner at the Irish Pub, then he paid for the romantic cinema date, then he paid for the pool and accompanying drinks. Scampy then bought Blake 7 1 beer in Rainbow 1 and then Blake7 bought the other beer in Rainbow 4
    Jesus, I thought it was his treat this time

    Didn't he say a few months ago that he will buy us dinner after I started bitching about paying for his meal again

    Scampy we want our free video in return for our sponsoring !!!

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    My dear old Mum once said to me a long time ago; -- " money isn't everything until you have none".

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkmadness View Post
    If it's based on income then you are as wealthy as a Vietnamese farm hand.
    but not so industrious

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkmadness View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp View Post
    It's nobody elses business and it was stupid of me to have ever mentioned it because wealth should be judged on income
    Wealth is judged on what money you have Scamp, which in your case is enough to continue holidaying for another couple of years yet. If it's based on income then you are as wealthy as a Vietnamese farm hand.
    Is that what I should do then bkkmadness?

    Blow the whole fucking lot?

    I said to you before over dinner, I am not a rich man - I am a poor man who has a limited inheritance stash. At the time you agreed with me and it was relieving because I thought you understood that it is more fortunate to have a regular, legal income in Thailand than to have a pile of dwindling death money, and a business that's making little money.

    Anyway, I shouted said dinner because it was affordable and because you are doing some work for me - not because you made me feel uncomfortable for being as careful with money as I would be in your position. Please remember, it will go - it is a temporary safety net and I have until it runs out to sort my life out and I haven't done an exceptional job of that thus far, so bash me for that.

    I have some true close friends, one who is now a member here - who have never treated me any differently because I have an inheritance, who are in a less fortunate position than me yet who have never raised the subject or caused me any discomfort over it.

    If they had any gripe with me over any issue they would tell me in person or at least send a polite email. If it wasn't for people like that, I would only have my 'Teak Door' friends and it would be far more difficult to leave the forum if I ever got to the point where I felt it was causing me nothing but misery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Blake7
    For the record: on Monday night Blake 7 paid for multiple drinks plus Scampy's bangers and mash dinner at the Irish Pub, then he paid for the romantic cinema date, then he paid for the pool and accompanying drinks. Scampy then bought Blake 7 1 beer in Rainbow 1 and then Blake7 bought the other beer in Rainbow 4
    Jesus, I thought it was his treat this time

    Didn't he say a few months ago that he will buy us dinner after I started bitching about paying for his meal again

    Scampy we want our free video in return for our sponsoring !!!
    You feel you have to make shit up?????

    Am I not getting enough abuse for the facts without you fabricating for the sake of your own entertainment?

    I was defending you the other night at the party, I should have gone with my initial impression and stuck with it.
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    Is that what I should do then bkkmadness?

    Blow the whole fucking lot?
    Where did I say you should blow the lot?

    I said to you before over dinner, I am not a rich man - I am a poor man who has a limited inheritance stash. At the time you agreed with me and it was relieving because I thought you understood that it is more fortunate to have a regular, legal income in Thailand than to have a pile of dwindling death money, and a business that's making little money.
    Yes I agree you are not a rich man. I don't agree that having a wedge of cash in the bank is so much worse than working an earning it though. To the poor person any money is good. And I think you don't understand that at all.

    I have some true close friends, one who is now a member here - who have never treated me any differently because I have an inheritance, who are in a less fortunate position than me yet who have never raised the subject or caused me any discomfort over it.
    I have a friend, he got a good inheritance last year, about 75 thousand pounds. I don't think I ever chat about with him. Then again, he never sits there and whines on about how poor he is and what bills he cannot pay.

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    I can't stand tight people, i'm not wealthy but if i go out to have a good night i will happily spend money.
    I don't have tight friends if i meet someone who ends up being the sort of person who shirks a round or is just tight and not short of money i'll tell them exactly what i think of them and ignore them in the future.
    Well, luckily I didn't have any tortoises on me at the time...

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    whines on about how poor he is and what bills he cannot pay.
    I have never whined about how poor I am but I have moaned about the 20k CAT bill I have.

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    It's very difficult going out with people who want to spend when it is above your means.

    If you leave you are a miserable git

    If you stay you are a freeloader.

    Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

    Frankly it's the responsibility of people to recognise that fact and either pay or move on. You cannot expect someone to spend above your means.

    I've been on both sides, I had generous friends when I was an apprentice, who had a rule that I should never buy a drink.

    I now return that to people who I feel are deserving, in fact I can be stupidly generous to good friends.

    But to pay on the evening and walk away as mates and then bitch later is just plain wrong, especially when the chances are "I'll get this one" have been uttered at some point during the evening. Buying drinks does not guarantee repayment and nor should it.
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    It's surely a 10 K Cat bill isn't it? I have been hearing you moaning about paying it for months now. I really don't understand why you don't just pay it? It's barely a drop in the ocean to you.

    It comes down to greed I suppose.

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