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    Can Bkkmadness Legally Do This?

    ...In a simple, humble, TeakDoor pool tournament?

    Quote Originally Posted by bkkmadness

    I haven't checked them all out, but I think these are the standard rules I play by. None of this whack them round the table "Ooh lucky shot!" malarkey on the 8 ball either.

    8 Ball, Pool, billiards | Official IPT Rules 8 Ball, Pool, billiards | Official IPT Rules

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    I don't know much about sport, but I know what is right and wrong and what is fair.

    If one is going to play professional IPT Rules then surely all the players should be professionals and somebody should put a spirit level on the table and make sure we play in a place that will give us complete silence.

    I played Maddie on the last day of Songkran, and yes he won but only because I lost - because he was playing by the Official IPT rules wot he used against me.

    In otherwords, he used the official IPT rules to his advantage so he could win, yet there wasn't a bloke with white gloves to be seen anywhere and I was distracted by a woman at the bar who looked like that bird who plays the violin really good, and my damp shirt - which would certainly be factors in an official IPT game.

    As far as I am concerned, TD/pub rules should be kept to the basics, even for these irksome deluded players who think they are Dennis Taylor and can't bear to lose, because it's these fuckwits who ruin a nice game by causing silly squabbles when it comes to the 8 ball because of all this 'pocket nomination' nonsense and it should be nipped in the bud.

    There ARE such things as lucky shots, and sometimes a less experienced player who has not had the advantage of idly throwing away valuable time in pool halls needs to 'hit and hope' or 'whack and wish' and it's always on this final leg of the game that the player with more experience that doesn't want to lose face by losing the game suddenly throws this 11th hour rule change in that says "By the way, if the ball goes in any pocket this time you haven't won - you must NOMINATE the pocket" which basically means, if you pot the black into one of five pockets you have lost.

    Imagine a friendly game of 5 aside football has just been won and some baggins like Bkkmadness comes over and says, "Sorry, can't allow that - the goal post is half an inch too far right - it's in the NBA rule book", it would spoil the game for all concerned.

    So... If we're going to have a pool tournament lets cut the crap Maddie, you too Red Dragon and Blake 7 - though to be fair the latter is flexible, after all there's nothing about playing ladyboys in the IPT Rulebook (or losing three consecutive games to them).

    Basically, If you nitpicking wannabe pros want to shut out those who are on the cusp of your ability but not quite there, then stick to your gay rules - and stick them up your arse.

    If you want to have a good, fun tournament in a social environment then let's get on with it.

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    Last edited by The Gentleman Scamp; 02-06-2008 at 03:53 AM.
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    you play pool you play by the rules. What are you a fuckin girl?

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    I play UK Pub rules and most of the rules I have read in the IPT seem bollocks, the only time you should nominate a pocket is when you are potting the black ball, ball in hand rule I hate, put the white ball ball anywhere you like on the table?? very skillfull!!
    Can't believe I am going to agree with Scampy but playing in a pub it should be pub rules not international pool players rules as he points out not silence, table very unlikely to be even, no doubt cloth will not be immaculate.
    Rules I have always used are very simple

    First legal pot decides colours
    Both colours potted from break - player must nominate
    Pot the black on break - restart frame
    Pot white on break - two shots to opponent
    After foul - free table 1st shot, 2 shots do not carry, only continue until you miss a shot
    After foul - play from where the white stops
    Playing from balk line- play in any direction
    First to pot black in a nominated pocket wins frame
    Winner stays on!

    With the nominated pocket rule, what happens if you are snookered but play a shot come off two cushions and clips the ball across the table into the pocket??
    Ball in hand or two shots to the opponent for playing a very good shot??

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    Quote Originally Posted by friscofrankie
    you play pool you play by the rules. What are you a fuckin girl?
    exactly.

    pub rules are shit.

    you wanna use examples, here's one, playing cricket, bowled a bit of a doozy that got slogged out to the boundary, some good fielding, ball thrown, little bit wildly to the centre of the crease and it hits the batsmen on the foot, deflects foward and breaks his stumps, he was miles out.

    Indian Umpire ruled him not out? WTF? why not? his reply 'it's unfair, it's unlucky and against the spirit of the game'

    Well feck off, why have rules if you are gonna modify them for retards?

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    I dont care - I'll play any rules - different rules dont effect how well you play.
    ie you pot it or you miss. as for "lucky" shots, both players are in the same boat.
    Another case of scampy blaming someone or something else for his failures....

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp
    I played Maddie on the last day of Songkran, and yes he won but only because I lost - because he was playing by the Official IPT rules wot he used against me.
    Agree to the rules before your first break.



    Quote Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp
    I was distracted by a woman at the bar who looked like that bird who plays the violin really good,
    Vanessa Mae?



    Quote Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp
    it would spoil the game for all concerned.

    Really, Scamp, you've gone all native. Harmony is more important than fairness, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly
    you wanna use examples, here's one, playing cricket, bowled a bit of a doozy that got slogged out to the boundary, some good fielding, ball thrown, little bit wildly to the centre of the crease and it hits the batsmen on the foot, deflects foward and breaks his stumps, he was miles out.
    Please KW, let's not turn this thread into another Gay thread,

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    Any rules that are not played in Taffystan are fine by me.

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    Did you mean: taffystay


    No standard web pages containing all your search terms were found.

    Your search - taffystan - did not match any documents.


    Eh? Where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_Smith
    Did you mean: taffystay
    If I meant Taffystay, I would've posted Taffystay.

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    I really don't care what rules we play, so long as they are DEFINED (which is why I voted IPA rules).

    I lost a game in Rome when my opponent potted the black but went in-off, apparently that was ok 'coz the black went in first

    Used to use the Seoul Pub (that's in Korea don't ya know), their rules list had a final entry "We don't care what you do where you come from, this is what we do where you are". Seemed to work OK.

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    As long as the rules are agreed beforehand, I'll go along with anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by friscofrankie View Post
    you play pool you play by the rules. What are you a fuckin girl?
    Yes - if you play pub pool you play by the pub rules... If you play pro pool you play by the pro pool rules, if you you play pro chess you play by the pro chess rules. Rules taken to seriously in something that is fun and where there is no half million pound prize money at steak, are, quite frankly - sad.

    Those people are the sports equivalent of that guy on the internet who made his own Tron costume. tronguy.net: All about Jay Maynard, the TRON Guy

    Quote Originally Posted by Blake7
    I dont care - I'll play any rules
    I know and I respect that.

    Another case of scampy blaming someone or something else for his failures....
    I don't think I have failed, and it's comments like that which give you such a self elevated reputation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Dragon
    First legal pot decides colours
    Both colours potted from break - player must nominate
    Pot the black on break - restart frame
    Pot white on break - two shots to opponent
    After foul - free table 1st shot, 2 shots do not carry, only continue until you miss a shot
    After foul - play from where the white stops
    Playing from balk line- play in any direction
    First to pot black in a nominated pocket wins frame
    Winner stays on!
    A perfect reply, those are the rules I was familiar with in 99% of the bars I have known. The winner stays on bit can be irritating when going to a bar with a mate to practice but hey, that's irrelevant. The pool we are talking however is closer to this than it is on those light blue tables wot you see on the telly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingwilly
    you wanna use examples, here's one, playing cricket, bowled a bit of a doozy that got slogged out to the boundary, some good fielding, ball thrown, little bit wildly to the centre of the crease and it hits the batsmen on the foot, deflects foward and breaks his stumps, he was miles out.
    How the fuck can you make any valid comments on any sport? I have it on good authority that you run like Sarah Jessica Parker with a dildo up her arse and you throw balls under-arm - granted you can throw over six metres, so can my nephew, but for you to make any comments on a sporting thread is simply laughable.

    You playing golf is worth watching for sheer comedy value and as for pool, well.. I wouldn't let you on a new table if it was mine.

    Well feck off, why have rules if you are gonna modify them for retards?
    That is my point exactly, have a green.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp
    You playing golf is worth watching for sheer comedy value
    how would you know? believe everything Blake tells you?

    and as for pool, well.. I wouldn't let you on a new table if it was mine.
    did he mention i beat him?



    Quote Originally Posted by Blake7
    I dont care - I'll play any rules -
    you might have played by the proper rules, but you moaned like a biatch about them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blake7
    you might have played by the proper rules, but you moaned like a biatch about them....
    Why I am defending Blake7 will be the cause of a handful of PM's - but I'm sure he didn't moan like a bitch, probably just made a slight protest at playing these IPT rules when he just wanted a relaxing night out and a pot about.

    Even if one is playing for money, it's still just for fun if it's a between a hundred and a thousand baht.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp
    probably just made a slight protest at playing these IPT rules
    if by slight protest you mean fuckn went on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about it, even when he wasnt playing.....

    then yes.

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    Pool are for women and faggets...

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    Quote Originally Posted by More Volts Igor
    I lost a game in Rome when my opponent potted the black but went in-off, apparently that was ok 'coz the black went in first
    Horrible when you lose isn't it - and just think, it was pure chance that it went in - he took a gamble and he got lucky, is that so bad?

    Just think - if he had nominated the pocket it went into (which perhaps should be the rules when half a million quid is at steak) he would have won, but because he didn't stand on a chair like some six year old announcing how superior he was about to be and tell everyone exactly which pocket it would go into and take a risk getting it wrong (a completely new game at the 11th hour when you look at it) - he won and you lost.

    When in Rome... as they say.

    Anyway, the fact such petty matters are made over a couple of hundred baht, or more often than not - a simple chalk mark, is quite frankly...



    The real men in the world just whack the black if the shot is out of their league, one man will hope it goes in and the other man will hope it doesn't.

    Fate will decide - not some stoopid IPT rule book that is only relevant in that exclusive department of the sports industry.

    Then the real men will shake hands, have another game or another drink or, if pool isn't their life they may just go out, meet some girls and get laid.

    Incedentally, bkkmadness is not the target of my mockery here - I have met people over the years that take pool far too seriously for the sole reason that they have little else in their life and it's the only thing they are good at.

    Maddie is not one of those, I just used his one off semi petty songkran example and the TD brand name 'bkkmadness' to bring attention to this highly valid debate.
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    the easiest rules I have played have been " 2 shots every foul " , which includes when you are on the black ( if you foul when your opponent is on the black you deserve to lose. )

    white ball goes in the D if there is a D or behind the line if there is a line

    no pocket nominations required.


    that said , I have played in pool team comps where you play the international rules , though I can't remember them all now , but they included every shot has to have a ball touch the cushion or potted else it is a foul ( stops the skirts from doing the softcock snooker trick )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Dragon
    After foul - free table 1st shot, 2 shots do not carry, only continue until you miss a shot
    That's the only rule I didn't used to play. In the UK pool rules at the time, 2 shots did carry.

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    normally if the 2 shot rule is played the shots carry.

    I must admit I have recently started to like the "new" rules - the official ones. Some of the rules are a bit gay - such as being able to place the white anywhere on the table after it has been potted - but generally I think it makes for a better game.

    We had a mini pool tournament on Saturday night at Ball in Hand (minus English Noodles). Bkkmadness won by a slender margin.

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    Scamp, the choice on the night was normal pool rules, or Thai rules made up by some silly hustlers in a bar on sukhumvit.

    I will be be back later to explain the need for proper rules and obviously ridicule you later.

    ps. you muppet, you didn't lose, we drew. 2-2 it was! I blame it on the lao khao. (we all have out excuses.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    Quote: Originally Posted by Agent_Smith Did you mean: taffystay If I meant Taffystay, I would've posted Taffystay.
    Take it up with Google. And you still didn't explain what this suspect word means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blake7 View Post
    Some of the rules are a bit gay - such as being able to place the white anywhere on the table after it has been potted.
    I AGREE! This is what is so stupid about it, I would rather place the ball behind the 'D' and leave it to destiny as I do on the 8 ball, yet this rulebook that allows you to literally take control of the game into your own hands and place the ball wherever you want, doesn't allow you to let the laws of chance, angle and kinetic energy decide on the winner!

    Meaning...

    The game is only equal if the players are of exact equal skill.

    If I was taking a ball from a pocket after my opponents foul I would want to place it in the D or behind the line to give me a chance to practice some skill and if nothing seemed promising I would tap or hit and hope for the best as I sometimes have had to do on the 8 ball. That's one of my techniques, I know it's a last ditch attempt but it gives me a chance providing that chance hasn't been plucked from under my nose by some IPT Rule boy who five minutes earlier had been putting the ball wherever he liked after my foul.

    Quote Originally Posted by bkkmadness
    ps. you muppet, you didn't lose, we drew. 2-2 it was!
    Really?

    ...Oh yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp
    doesn't allow you to let the laws of chance, angle and kinetic energy decide on the winner!
    Pool is a game of skill, not luck. Try cards or dice.

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