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    Pavement-restaurants and bridge-markets

    In my first few months here, I used to think it was great that one could grab a quick meal or buy a mobile phone cover without having to set foot inside a building.

    However, as time goes by, having to walk into the road every few metres to get around a cart, tables, gas bottles, food boxes etc, or get knocked into by a backwards-walking cart woman who seems to consider the pavement her property and me as a trespasser, or squeeze thru a 2 foot gap on a 2 metre wide cloth-covered footbridge begins to get tiresome.

    This smeg-jade (new phrase for ya) set in some time ago, and now I increasingly understand the importance of Western laws (that I previously considered as petty) that help maintain pavements as pavements and bridges as bridges.

    Are most people still appreciative of these (rent free) "services"? I appreciate that there isn't much to do in BKK other than eat and shop, which is maybe the reason the locals don't mind.

    Something more insightful than "if you don't like it, you know where the airport is mate!" or some kind of cyber-pscho-analysis of me would be great (or maybe thats asking too much )
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    Anybody else get a buzzing noise from their computer when they view threads like this.

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    ^ It's more of a droning noise with my PC. Although sometimes it's more of a whine.

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    ^ Well, theres a couple of labotomised accept-everything without questioning or discussing Thaiophile opinions out of the way.

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    It's lobotomised.




























    Arrrrrgh! Must.....not......feed.......the............troll! !!

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    Thanks for the spell-check man

    This "must not feed the troll" thing is well overused. I guess anyone who has a negative opinion to debate must be labelled as such.

    Benbaa, is your automated use of derogitory labels rather than enter into intelligent discussion a subconcious reaction to yourself being similarly labelled and surrounded by a similar lack of intelligent dicussion in your everyday life?
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    After four years I still appreciate the fact that I live in a society where the little guy still has a chance to make enough to get by.

    I admire the people and welcome the lack of stifling laws and regulations.

    I was never aware they were rent free Smeg, where did you hear that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by poolcleaner
    After four years I still appreciate the fact that I live in a society where the little guy still has a chance to make enough to get by.
    Fair enough. But I suspect a lot of nasty "patch warfare" etc goes on, much like with the motorbike taxis. I think the smile on the noodle vendor's face doesn't reveal his true circumstances.

    Quote Originally Posted by poolcleaner
    I admire the people and welcome the lack of stifling laws and regulations.
    Again, fair enough. These guys and girls operate in a market of no taxes, no hygiene regulations etc, which suits some for sure.

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    I was never aware they were rent free Smeg, where did you hear that?
    It was just my belief. I've never seen a "market rent collector" such as you might see in a UK market or as no doubt exists in MBK etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benbaaa
    Arrrrrgh! Must.....not......feed.......the............troll! !!
    Arrrrrgh! Must.....not......sit.....next.....to.....the..... farang!!!

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    I want to reply, and be told I am a Thaiophile or merely a lobotomised accepter, but then I will be accused of being a stalker too

    Smeg certainly keeps his options open!

    I suppose the trouble with being a farang in Thailand is that sometimes you do not realise there is no social security system to help the jobless. Those unfortunates without work then have to do the best they can by selling things, or making some food.

    Along come the farang and demand free pavements so they can strut along without obstacle, never mind the poor people. I suppose it makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeg
    In my first few months here, I used to think it was great that one could grab a quick meal or buy a mobile phone cover without having to set foot inside a building.

    However, as time goes by, having to walk into the road every few metres to get around a cart, tables, gas bottles, food boxes etc, or get knocked into by a backwards-walking cart woman who seems to consider the pavement her property and me as a trespasser, or squeeze thru a 2 foot gap on a 2 metre wide cloth-covered footbridge begins to get tiresome.

    This smeg-jade (new phrase for ya) set in some time ago, and now I increasingly understand the importance of Western laws (that I previously considered as petty) that help maintain pavements as pavements and bridges as bridges.

    Are most people still appreciative of these (rent free) "services"? I appreciate that there isn't much to do in BKK other than eat and shop, which is maybe the reason the locals don't mind.

    Something more insightful than "if you don't like it, you know where the airport is mate!" or some kind of cyber-pscho-analysis of me would be great (or maybe thats asking too much )
    actually i agree with u here !

    quite happy to have local markets set up etc - but a pavement needs to remain somewhat clear!

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    Quote Originally Posted by poolcleaner
    After four years I still appreciate the fact that I live in a society where the little guy still has a chance to make enough to get by.
    true!

    Quote Originally Posted by smeg
    It was just my belief. I've never seen a "market rent collector" such as you might see in a UK market or as no doubt exists in MBK etc.
    not true - they pay the local coppers!

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    although I agree that having to step into the road becomes a bit much

    positively dangerous

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    however dr - usually the roads are safer than the footpaths - what with all the gaping holes, motorcycles etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    I want to reply, and be told I am a Thaiophile or merely a lobotomised accepter, but then I will be accused of being a stalker too

    Smeg certainly keeps his options open!

    I suppose the trouble with being a farang in Thailand is that sometimes you do not realise there is no social security system to help the jobless. Those unfortunates without work then have to do the best they can by selling things, or making some food.

    Along come the farang and demand free pavements so they can strut along without obstacle, never mind the poor people. I suppose it makes sense.
    I think you both have some valid points, but it is not just farangs who want free pavements. Try asking Thai people living or working in lower Sukhumvit or Silom how they feel about the street vendors - I am sure they will say: "They are great, it is all part of our unique Thai culture to sell pornographic videos, combat knives, obscene t-shirts and other overpriced junk and blocking the pavement."
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    yes WS, you are right. Some of the tourist areas are stuffed full, and all due to the tourist dollar. There are lots of other places, however, which are mainly for Thais and are just as bad/good

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    All street sellers pay for their little patch of pavement.

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    ^ A verifyable fact, or a generalising assumption? Either are welcome.

    This is an interesting read http://www.fao.org/documents/show_cd...E/x6982e07.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeg
    ^ A verifyable fact, or a generalising assumption? Either are welcome.

    This is an interesting read http://www.fao.org/documents/show_cd...E/x6982e07.htm
    thats good coming from u - "show me the evidence"

    **mutters somethign abt the pot calling hte kettle black or somesuch!**

    yeah interesting read - but not particularly relevant to the OP. !

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwillyhggtb
    thats good coming from u - "show me the evidence"
    I don't generally make factual style statements such as "all TEFLers are losers", but if I did, I'd indicate it as being only a generalising opinion.

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    I was just curious to know whether that is indeed true, or just an assumption or heresay.

    It seems that many people who have been here a long time just seem to be expect to be able fire off such "factual statements" and expect everyone to believe them.

    Its not too much to ask for in a discussion, is it?
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    that is a reasonable response Nicka

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    I've been led to believe that 'most' permanent vendors have to pay something for their 'patch'.

    Certainly, the lack of consideration for through traffic is annoying.

    Did I tell you about the beggar the other day?
    Came up the stairs at Victory and in a bit of haste swung aroung the top of the stairs and clobbered something hard with my shoe. I nearly fell over what turned out to be an ancient begging lady, who looked up in pain.
    I scowled and walked on!

    IMO, if it comes down to a choice between a society where there's no dole, self motivation and low taxes and non restrictive legislation or a place like Aus with it's high taxes, flies and fat women.................I'll take Thailand and the crowded streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poolcleaner
    self motivation and non restrictive legislation
    I'll keep an eye out for that then
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